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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/14/2012 3:22:40 PM   
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DS, a 5 year arm that was done in 200 or so, then by the time re-fi is up for discussion, the house is valued at half....that's what is wrong with ARMs.

As for the logic involved, most of those who found themselves in the home value trap, had less interest in rates than they were in payments.Yes, rates do play a part,all be it small, the hocus pocus used durring the mid90's to mid 2000's was more at fault. Creative financing as done by those involved in the mortgage banking industry had much more to do with crisis than the rate at which the paper involved was financed.



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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/14/2012 6:48:50 PM   
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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/14/2012 8:53:28 PM   
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I frankly didn't even read it through, you go out of your way to not get it.  Invent shit and analyze it's only possible meaning  for some fuckin blogsite...
Now, let me tell you something, I don't need a thesaurus, I happened to have read a fuck of a lot more Wiliam F. Buckley than you,  and alot more Pat Buchanan than you (remember nattering nabobs of negativism?) and alot more Goldwater than you, and alot more Galbraith than you and alot more Moiynahan than you, and I wanted to understand what they were saying:
So, I am gonna tell you this.
Just because a fellow can expertly play Greig's Concerto in A minor on the piano, is that any reason that those who are incapable of it should malign those who can?
You eschew intellectual pursuits, in favor of neanderthalism, a party meme to be certain.


Spoken like a true elitist, "a party meme to be certain."

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Yet you admittedly not understanding my position with with some dark magic wizards eye divining its meaning, parsing it and explicating it for the great unwashed without understanding the words.
I will not insult your intelligence by pretending to believe you.


There is comfort in stability. Your use of words isn't to communicate ideas. Your use of words is to communicate that you think you're better than others. Whether it is true or not, it doesn't matter. Your elitist attitude and ability to use esoteric words that many people won't take the time to look up leaves you on the outside. It's easy to see your intent is to belittle and confuse those you disagree with. But, your responses have little to do with the actual meat of the subject. Congrats, Webster, you're in rare territory now.

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/14/2012 8:59:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SilverMark
DS, a 5 year arm that was done in 200 or so, then by the time re-fi is up for discussion, the house is valued at half....that's what is wrong with ARMs.
As for the logic involved, most of those who found themselves in the home value trap, had less interest in rates than they were in payments.Yes, rates do play a part,all be it small, the hocus pocus used durring the mid90's to mid 2000's was more at fault. Creative financing as done by those involved in the mortgage banking industry had much more to do with crisis than the rate at which the paper involved was financed.


So, you're going to tell me that if a lender has the opportunity to use near 0% interest to finance a mortgage for a lendee, turn around and sell it to Fannie/Freddie, and start all over again, played little role? I submit that lenders created rates and terms that were true to the risk of default they were assuming. Since Fannie and Freddie were buying damn near anything they could write, damn near as fast as they write it, what risk of default are they seeing? Zero risk. Fannie and Freddie don't do that, and you wouldn't have had nearly as much damage.

That is a risk that you assume when you sign on the dotted line. Lenders aren't free and clear, and there were some shenanigans going on. But, for a homebuyer to sign on the dotted line without understanding the terms and conditions? That's on the lendee, not the lender. Maybe if we had a test to make sure the lendee understood completely, that would have cut down on this stuff. Oh, no, that would have racially discriminatory or some other bullshit.


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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/15/2012 4:58:23 AM   
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"By October 2007, approximately 16% of subprime adjustable rate mortgages (ARM) were either 90-days delinquent or the lender had begun foreclosure proceedings, roughly triple the rate of 2005. By January 2008, the delinquency rate had risen to 21% and by May 2008 it was 25%." MortgageTrac

My point DS is that greed drove the acceptance of such mortgages known as No Doc. Low Doc. mortgages...the rates were never near ZERO through the start of the mortgage mess, and most of those that sank, were not low rates but accessability issues, provided by "creative financing". There was more done in the way of "creative' mortgages that lead to the overall crisis, based on 100 million dollar bonuses to the likes of Killinger than rates ever had.

In the sub prime and No Doc, Low Doc business, the rates were not considered great, it was the cost of skirting the traditional credit research of those applying.



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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/15/2012 6:41:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Spoken like a true elitist, "a party meme to be certain."

Tell you what pard, I will guffaw and slap my thigh like a yokel so that you dont have to loathe the chosen neanderthalism so publicly.

And elitist?  you better check that in the dictionary, it obviously doesn't carry the meaning or the right sort of impugnment you are trying to assign to it here.

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Yet you admittedly not understanding my position with with some dark magic wizards eye divining its meaning, parsing it and explicating it for the great unwashed without understanding the words.
I will not insult your intelligence by pretending to believe you.


There is comfort in stability. Your use of words isn't to communicate ideas. Your use of words is to communicate that you think you're better than others. Whether it is true or not, it doesn't matter. Your elitist attitude and ability to use esoteric words that many people won't take the time to look up leaves you on the outside. It's easy to see your intent is to belittle and confuse those you disagree with. But, your responses have little to do with the actual meat of the subject. Congrats, Webster, you're in rare territory now.


My responses are meat of the subject.   But tell you what, Ogg, why don't you scratch out a list of words you know on the back of a shovel by the fire with a bit of coal, and I will try to use words from that list rather than have you impugn me for my (what I belive is fairly pedestrian) use of language.

If you dont understand what I am saying and are not interested in it, don't respond to it, and don't glorify neanderthalism while maligning those who have an average education, average vocabulary, and am average outlook on life and its issues.  

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/15/2012 9:53:41 AM   
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Bernanke just hands the election to Romney

I think the headline it wrong. Things are just an opposite. The Federal Reserve is part of the president's administration and it acts accordingly. The Congress is opposing party here. QE 3 was expected by investing class, and the market must remain high before the elections. This explains Bernanke actions. It is proven to work short term. Long-term effect is an another story but the short-term (one and a half months) is the concern at the moment. Major market correction downwards would have a potential to affect the outcome of elections. People generally believe the propaganda that Main Street and Wall Street economies have direct connection. It is no longer valid.

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/15/2012 9:56:50 AM   
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The Federal Reserve is part of the president's administration


I'm afraid not. It's a creation of Congress. And it's designed to work independently of fiscal policy.



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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/15/2012 12:20:55 PM   
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I'm afraid not. It's a creation of Congress. And it's designed to work independently of fiscal policy.

I would say: quasi-independent. The Federal Reserve acts as a central bank, its board members are appointed by the President. It is impossible that the major actions of the Fed (like QE-s) have been made without consulting and after being approved by the Obama administration. The Congress part is designed to control the Fed retroactively, they arrange hearings after the actions have been taken they may not agree with. We know the Secretary of Treasury and Bernanke share the same ideology. Gethner came from the Federal Reserve Bank of NY. It may be useful some time to confuse the public with the independence claim in order to evade responsibility.

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/15/2012 12:29:51 PM   
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Nonsense. Board members are appointed to 14 year terms, those terms are staggered two years apart, and no member serving a full term can be reappointed.



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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/15/2012 12:34:23 PM   
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Greenspan, appointed by Reagan, served under Bush I and Clinton....Bernanke was appointed under Bush II serves under Obama, Volcker appointed under Carter, served under Reagan....yep Fellow you are obviously correct the position is tied to the President so tightly THEY SHARE THEM!.....

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/15/2012 2:11:42 PM   
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I feel like I don't know enough about macroeconomics to know whether this policy is a good one or not. It sounds bad on a first read, but so did TARP and ultimately that saved us from a depression and we got pretty much all the money back.

But as far as the political implications go - how exactly will this really help Romney, aside from some spin? The Fed is mostly independent of the executive branch. Even if Romney wins, Bernanke will still be the Chairman of the Fed and will still be able to make these sort of policies without approval from the President.

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/15/2012 2:18:08 PM   
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It is impossible that the major actions of the Fed (like QE-s) have been made without consulting and after being approved by the Obama administration.


Nope. The Fed can make these sort of policies unilaterally. They don't need approval from the President or anybody else. I imagine it makes life easier for them if they can work together with the executive branch, but they don't have to.

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/15/2012 5:01:31 PM   
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Nope. The Fed can make these sort of policies unilaterally. They don't need approval from the President or anybody else. I imagine it makes life easier for them if they can work together with the executive branch, but they don't have to.

If so, why are we asking Obama to fix the economy, unless we assume he gets rid of the Federal Reserve system first? We do have regulated financial capitalism. Since Obama took office the Fed has loaned out with near-zero interest the whole annual GDP worth of funds. Obama actions on this background can have only small effect. Two trillion annual tax revenue the treasury has goes mostly for government liabilities and war machine (Obama de facto seems not to control either). The man gets himself into trouble by giving an impression he leads the country towards prosperity. He should keep quiet and he should direct people to Bernanke with questions about the economy.

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/15/2012 7:58:47 PM   
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Well, first Congress would have to do it, not Obama. And second, you don't understand the difference between monetary and fiscal policy.

The President has no control over monetary policy. Congress controls fiscal policy.

And actually, you're right that Presidents don't actually have much economic control, and consequently get too much blame and too much credit.

Such is the nature of leadership.

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/15/2012 9:03:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Spoken like a true elitist, "a party meme to be certain."

Tell you what pard, I will guffaw and slap my thigh like a yokel so that you dont have to loathe the chosen neanderthalism so publicly.
And elitist?  you better check that in the dictionary, it obviously doesn't carry the meaning or the right sort of impugnment you are trying to assign to it here.


Oh, so now we're going strictly by dictionary definitions? What is the definition of "Interstate?"

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=elitist

And, not surprisingly enough, there is a definition of "elitist" that I believe fits most Liberals, some Conservatives, and yourself quite well.

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Yet you admittedly not understanding my position with with some dark magic wizards eye divining its meaning, parsing it and explicating it for the great unwashed without understanding the words.
I will not insult your intelligence by pretending to believe you.

There is comfort in stability. Your use of words isn't to communicate ideas. Your use of words is to communicate that you think you're better than others. Whether it is true or not, it doesn't matter. Your elitist attitude and ability to use esoteric words that many people won't take the time to look up leaves you on the outside. It's easy to see your intent is to belittle and confuse those you disagree with. But, your responses have little to do with the actual meat of the subject. Congrats, Webster, you're in rare territory now.

My responses are meat of the subject.   But tell you what, Ogg, why don't you scratch out a list of words you know on the back of a shovel by the fire with a bit of coal, and I will try to use words from that list rather than have you impugn me for my (what I belive is fairly pedestrian) use of language.
If you dont understand what I am saying and are not interested in it, don't respond to it, and don't glorify neanderthalism while maligning those who have an average education, average vocabulary, and am average outlook on life and its issues.  


I'll fix your overlook of the use of proper open/close quotes.

And, call me Ogg, telling me to scratch out a list of words on the back of a shovel with coal, isn't pretentious or arrogant, and isn't said with the bite of a superiority complex?!? I'm not even sure you understand all the words you use. But, if, by some odd chance, you're right, at least I'll still be able to go to Geico's website and get a quote.

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/17/2012 6:59:25 AM   
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Overlook of should be overlooking, but I understood your vapidly inept malignings even in view of the the horrific euphonic damage you have caused with this.

But the coversation is wholly aposiopetic, since the subject is Bernanke handing the election to Willard, which is as perverse and solecistic as anything you have contributed re your analysis of my motivations and person.  


So your italian moniker of dark desires in English sounds to feminine and elitist or?

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/17/2012 10:40:45 AM   
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I'm afraid not. It's a creation of Congress. And it's designed to work independently of fiscal policy.

I would say: quasi-independent. The Federal Reserve acts as a central bank, its board members are appointed by the President.


Thankyou for your "foreign expetise". Now how about the precise facts as ooposed to exo-partisan interpretation?:

http://www.federalreserve.gov/

From the Fed's Website:
The Federal Reserve System is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution. Instead, it is an independent entity within the government, having both public purposes and private aspects.
As the nation's central bank, the Federal Reserve derives its authority from the U.S. Congress. It is considered an independent central bank because its decisions do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branch of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms. However, the Federal Reserve is subject to oversight by Congress, which periodically reviews its activities and can alter its responsibilities by statute. Also, the Federal Reserve must work within the framework of the overall objectives of economic and financial policy established by the government. Therefore, the Federal Reserve can be more accurately described as "independent within the government."
The twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks, which were established by Congress as the operating arms of the nation's central banking system, are organized much like private corporations--possibly leading to some confusion about "ownership." For example, the Reserve Banks issue shares of stock to member banks. However, owning Reserve Bank stock is quite different from owning stock in a private company. The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System. The stock may not be sold, traded, or pledged as security for a loan; dividends are, by law, 6 percent per year.

Appointments to the Board
The seven members of the Board of Governors are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate to serve 14-year terms of office. Members may serve only one full term, but a member who has been appointed to complete an unexpired term may be reappointed to a full term. The President designates, and the Senate confirms, two members of the Board to be Chairman and Vice Chairman, for four-year terms.


Opposing Views:
Although the Federal Reserve Bank claims not to be private as their website claims, the clearly operate under terms that no other "government institution" operates by. For example, they are not required to submit financial information and are not subject to IRS audits, nor do they even publish the amount of money they print to the American public. So given these terms it's hard to believe the Federal Reserve's claims that they are a government institution providing a genuine service to the American people. A commonly held position not mentioned on their website is that The FED is a privately owned central bank. Central banks are supposed to implement a country's fiscal policies. They monitor commercial banks to ensure that they maintain sufficient assets, like cash, so as to remain solvent and stable. Central banks also do business, such as currency exchanges and gold transactions, with other central banks. In theory, a central bank should be good for a country, and they might be if it wasn't for the fact that they are not owned or controlled by the government of the country they are serving. Private central banks, including the United States FED, operate not in the interest of the public good but for profit.

There have been three central banks in the nation's history. The first two, while deceptive and fraudulent, pale in comparison to the scope and size of the fraud being perpetrated by the current FED. What they all have in common is an insidious practice known as "fractional banking."

Who really owns the FED? The Rothschilds of London and Berlin; Lazard Brothers of Paris; Israel Moses Seif of Italy; Kuhn, Loeb and Warburg of Germany; and the Lehman Brothers, Goldman, Sachs and the Rockefeller families of New York.

The FED is the only for-profit corporation in America that is exempt from both federal and state taxes? The FED takes in about one trillion dollars per year tax free! The banking families listed above get all that money. Forty cents in every dollar of US taxes.

Remittance of Funds to the Treasury
The Federal Reserve remits to the US Treasury every year all the profits it generates though its Open Market Operations.

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/17/2012 11:08:52 AM   
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Overlook of should be overlooking, but I understood your vapidly inept malignings even in view of the the horrific euphonic damage you have caused with this.
But the coversation is wholly aposiopetic, since the subject is Bernanke handing the election to Willard, which is as perverse and solecistic as anything you have contributed re your analysis of my motivations and person.  
So your italian moniker of dark desires in English sounds to feminine and elitist or?


You can describe how my moniker sounds to you, but I did use correct grammar when devising it. Thus, regardless of how it sounds to you, it will sound to a speaker of Italian, not feminine, nor elitist, but, ...correct.

I would very much enjoy finding out how many people on here knew the meaning of every word you just posted without looking any of them up. I will rely on the honor system, and trust that you are all ethical enough to not answer simply to side with either mnottertail, or myself.

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/17/2012 11:48:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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it didnt.  those same 60 or so swing seats change hands cyle after cycle.


Then why are you always griping about the Tea Party ruining the GOP?


But haven't there even been remarks from within the party indicating how polarized and difficult to deal with?
Hopefully, Ron, and you are right, and they'll be either gone or realize they cannot govern using refusal to negotiate as their primary methodology. Either way, I am good with either outcome.

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