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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/17/2012 8:17:37 PM   
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it didnt.  those same 60 or so swing seats change hands cyle after cycle.

Then why are you always griping about the Tea Party ruining the GOP?

But haven't there even been remarks from within the party indicating how polarized and difficult to deal with?
Hopefully, Ron, and you are right, and they'll be either gone or realize they cannot govern using refusal to negotiate as their primary methodology. Either way, I am good with either outcome.


Want to read something very interesting? Here you go.

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/18/2012 6:00:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, it is very interesting that the republican house cannot pass a bill down there that is even worthy of consideration in the senate.

You would think that one or two democrats would be interested in ratpoison republican bills having some wanton polluters in their states.

Yeah, the teabaggers passed alot of bills, not one of them any less than worthless as thrice hammered shit.


< Message edited by mnottertail -- 9/18/2012 6:01:36 AM >

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/18/2012 7:32:49 AM   
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Yeah, it is very interesting that the republican house cannot pass a bill down there that is even worthy of consideration in the senate.
You would think that one or two democrats would be interested in ratpoison republican bills having some wanton polluters in their states.
Yeah, the teabaggers passed alot of bills, not one of them any less than worthless as thrice hammered shit.


It's more interesting that you place the blame on the Republican House and not any on the Democrat Senate. Interesting, and very telling.

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/18/2012 7:37:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, it dont tell you much apparently, lets look at the jobs bills they passed for instance that the Senate said get that shit outta here:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3881960/mpage_5/key_872/tm.htm#3882612
Job Creation Enabling Bills Passed by the House of Representatives that Have Not Been Considered by the Democrat-Controlled Senate:

The Reducing Regulatory Burdens Act (H.R. 872), which would halt duplicative federal regulations on farmers and small business owners that are impeding job creation.

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This bill actually allows the de-regulation of dumping rat poison in your drinking water.

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The Energy Tax Prevention Act (H.R. 910), which would stop the federal bureaucracy from imposing a job-destroying national energy tax.

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This bill de-regulates mercury levels in the air you breath spewing out of smokestacks
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The Clean Water Cooperative Federalism Act (H.R. 2018), which would restrict the federal government’s ability to second-guess or delay a state’s permitting and water quality certification decisions under the Clean Water Act once the EPA has already approved a state’s program, preventing approval process delays that cost jobs and leave businesses hampered by uncertainty.

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This bill would allow business to ignore any water quality damage they create.

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The Consumer Financial Protection & Soundness Improvement Act (H.R. 1315), which would increase consumer protection and government accountability by eliminating the ability of Dodd-Frank’s unelected Consumer Financial Protection Bureau Director to unilaterally carry out regulations that hurt job growth.

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Fuck consumers, lassize faire from banks (BTW, this agency has already levied some fines for banks cheating their customers.

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The Restarting American Offshore Leasing Now Act (H.R. 1230), which would help to address high gas prices and support the creation of new American jobs by increasing offshore energy production.

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Taking away the requirement for the EPA checking that a company can handle the oil spills it creates.

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The Putting the Gulf of Mexico Back to Work Act (H.R. 1229) and the Reversing President Obama’s Offshore Moratorium Act (H.R. 1231), which would help to put thousands of Americans back to work by ending the de facto moratorium on American energy production in the Gulf of Mexico in a safe, responsible and transparent manner by setting firm timelines for considering permits to drill.

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Drilling right along once everybody got up to speed in proving that they can have at hand from some source the equipment ot cap a well blowout successfully.

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The Jobs and Energy Permitting Act of 2011 (H.R. 2021), which would streamline the permit process for American energy production to help lower prices and create tens of thousands of new jobs.

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General de-regulation of states rights to ban things like the XL pipeline thru a federal eminent domain.
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The North American-Made Energy Security Act (H.R. 1938), which would require the federal government to make a determination by a date certain on whether or not it will allow the Keystone XL pipeline expansion, which is projected to directly create 20,000 jobs and support the creation of thousands more, to move forward.

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Forcing Nebraska to give up its state's rights for oil that goes to china without charge and having a great and historical potential to destroy Nebraska wetlands.

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A Budget for Fiscal Year 2012 (H.Con.Res. 34). With Washington’s failure to control spending hurting job creation in America, the House has passed its budget, while the Senate has not yet considered a budget of its own.

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And, just LOLOLOLOLOFUCKINGL on this one.


Or maybe you have some bill in mind that isn't dogshit that the senate should consider.

If so, lets get a look at that august legislation.  Quit fucking us around.  SHOW ME.

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/18/2012 10:43:53 AM   
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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/18/2012 2:54:24 PM   
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Yeah, it dont tell you much apparently, lets look at the jobs bills they passed for instance that the Senate said get that shit outta here:
If so, lets get a look at that august legislation.  Quit fucking us around.  SHOW ME.


Every single thing you brought up was a straw man argument. And, I expect that from you any more. You can't even honestly debate anything without going to the extreme. You probably went apeshit when Palin started the "death panels" talk. While the PPACA does institute a panel that is supposed to look for inefficiencies in pharmacological and other therapeutic treatments, it was taken to the extreme to call it a "death panel." Yet, you do the same thing. I'm just going to guess here that if the one bill was passed, that we would all be dead because of mercury poisoning from air pollution, right?

Are you upset by the damage being done to our aquatic fauna by pissed out birth control pills? Apparently, that focuses on something a Democrat might not want to be focused on.

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/19/2012 6:28:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		HOw is it a strawman?  The inept republicans down there in the house author purely dogshit ideological bills, and what honest consideration of dogshit is required by the constitution of the senate?

Show me something telling, compelling, and revealing.  And look up what a strawman arguement is, cuz you can construct them but do not know what they are, thats plain for anyone to see. 

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/19/2012 11:29:56 AM   
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HOw is it a strawman?  The inept republicans down there in the house author purely dogshit ideological bills, and what honest consideration of dogshit is required by the constitution of the senate?
Show me something telling, compelling, and revealing.  And look up what a strawman arguement is, cuz you can construct them but do not know what they are, thats plain for anyone to see. 


Yeah, I don't know what a strawman argument is. Whatever, mn.

HR 1315: The one that removes the unelected board from the Frank-Dodd bill. Your argument is that this fucks consumers and lets banks do whatever they want.

According to the latest summary, the bill doesn't remove the board. It gives more power to over-rule the Director, and gives more power to the non-voting members of the council. It also takes out the single Director position and fills that with a "Commission":
    quote:

    (Sec. 104) Establishes a Commission to serve as head of the Bureau, in lieu of a single Director, and to prescribe regulations and issue orders. Prescribes the composition of the Commission as the Vice Chairman for Supervision of the Federal Reserve System and four additional members who shall be appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate. Requires such members to have strong competencies and experiences related to consumer financial protection. Recommends that they also should want to protect service members and their families who are sacrificing their lives for this country from abusive financial practices.
    Requires one member of the Commission to have as his or her primary responsibility the oversight of CFPB activities pertaining to protecting consumers, with a focus on consumers who are older, minorities, youth, or veterans, from unfair, deceptive, and abusive lending practices.
    Requires that no more than two members of the Commission be of the same political party.


Your response to this was to create a false argument and attack it, thereby declaring HR1315 bad legislation, even though your attack wasn't against HR1315.

Huh. Sure as fuck sounds like a "straw man" argument to me.

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/19/2012 12:37:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Now the strawman is that it doesn't remove the board.  Where in the entirety of javelly hell is that from?

The bill hobbles the shit out of the agency.  It is not a jobs bill. 

SEC. 204. PUBLICATION OF MEMBER AVAILABILITY FOR ASSISTANCE.
    Not later than 5 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development shall publish to its Website on the World Wide Web in a prominent location, large point font, and boldface type the following statement: ‘The FHA Short Refinance Program, which was intended to provide borrowers with refinance opportunities, has been terminated. If you are having trouble paying your mortgage and need help contacting your lender or servicer for purposes of negotiating or acquiring a loan modification, please contact your Member of Congress to assist you in contacting your lender or servicer for the purpose of negotiating or acquiring a loan modification.’.

Passed the House of Representatives July 21, 2011.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hres358/text/rh
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.830.RFS:

And allowing banks to do as they please fucking with mortgages.

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/20/2012 5:13:51 AM   
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Now the strawman is that it doesn't remove the board.  Where in the entirety of javelly hell is that from?


Did you not see my quoted section? How is a commission to replace the Director of the board, if there is no board?

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The bill hobbles the shit out of the agency.  It is not a jobs bill. 


So, you're saying that the "Consumer Financial Protection Safety and Soundness Improvement Act of 2011" wasn't about jobs?!?!? O!M!G!

I didn't realize my link didn't work. Apologize for that. Maybe this one will work. Click on the "CRS Summary" to get to what I linked the first time. For whatever reason, each ampersand is replaced by 4 asterisks, destroying the link.

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RE: Bernanke just hands the election to Romney - 9/20/2012 5:58:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, none of the links work, and I am going to the actual government website not thomas register,

Its a dogshit bill whos purpose is to mire the agency in red tape and hobble them from regulating consumer protections.

My statement stands and question still remains? what honest consideration by dint of anything: constitution, fairness, reason or logic, absolutely any sort of realistic grounds does the senate owe their time to reading and voting no on dogshit bills that: dump ratpoison in our drinking water, plume mercury into our air, harm wetlands, fingerpoint anywhere but where the blame lies,  or wrap red tape around consumer protections, and are passed off by the inept teabaggers down there as jobs bills?

  

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