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RE: Ideas for my first male on male encounter - 9/13/2012 5:39:50 PM   
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have him be a garage mechanic, and as he bends over the fender (and changes out your last spark plug and that is the important part) grab the old torque wrench and tighten up his bung real good. 



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RE: Ideas for my first male on male encounter - 9/13/2012 9:13:48 PM   
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You ever done a Ham Sandwich? Well alright, I'll tell you. Get yourself two slices of ham, honey baked. And a thing of coleslaw. And you'll put some coleslaw on a finger and stick it---what's that? Alright, moving on....

I think I'm done rolling on the floor now. I'll try to get up.

Made it on the second attempt.

OK. Third attempt.

Envidius is probably on to something here. You haven't met the guy. You might not like the guy. And he might not like you.

Where I come from, Heteroville, we have a tradition. What we like to do is hang out together, try to have some fun, eat something, have a drink or three, before we even THINK about (Ok, THAT isn't really true) ...doing stuff. We don't always get around to the doing stuff, because, very often, it turns out to maybe not be that good an idea in the first place.

Now, clearly, you ain't me, because if you were, you wouldn't be listening to me extol the virtues of the wine, the candlelight, the soft music and the ham sandwich. So. You heard that. Didn't you.

So best wishes. And skip the Knock-knock jokes.

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RE: Ideas for my first male on male encounter - 9/13/2012 9:18:50 PM   
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reconsider the ball gag


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don't be shocked if your supposed 'submissive' backs out ....Just let it happen organically
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have a finishing protocol ... An ordered exit from the scene


Wow. I'm favorably impressed and heartened by the great and sensible ideas. '
I'll bring the red handkerchief, for example. And, allow him to back out.
I'm not sure what a finishing protocol even is - but I'll consider some sort of scene exit (never having done 'that' before).
You guys 'were' courteous and helpful!

Let you know how it works out after tomorrow evening!

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RE: Ideas for my first male on male encounter - 9/13/2012 9:35:45 PM   
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in Heteroville, we have a tradition.... very often, it turns out to maybe not be that good an idea in the first place


This is a good point. I had debated (to myself) whether I should meet him, for building the relationship, at a local Heteroville coffee shop - but - the entire theme is not really relationship fodder. It's wanton experimentation. I'm not sure how to proceed - but - for better or worse - I opted for the concentrate-on-the-jewels approach.

I do get the point though - and this may turn out to be a learning experience - in unexpected ways.

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RE: Ideas for my first male on male encounter - 9/13/2012 9:47:22 PM   
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Hey LTY--

I played with a few guys (as a guy) and my suggestion--both of you may want to hash out ahead of time what you both have a mutual interest in....what is a possibility but one or both of your aren't sure....and what's totally off limits.

and give both of you a way out. I was fantasizing about sucking cock....until it was in my face....then suddenly, uh....not-so-much. He was a good sport about it. Fortunately we both found other activities that made us both happy.

other advice? Better to leave the first time wanting more than overdo it and completely traumatize each other.
have fun. good luck. be safe.

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RE: Ideas for my first male on male encounter - 9/13/2012 11:58:09 PM   
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in Heteroville, we have a tradition.... very often, it turns out to maybe not be that good an idea in the first place


This is a good point. I had debated (to myself) whether I should meet him, for building the relationship, at a local Heteroville coffee shop - but - the entire theme is not really relationship fodder. It's wanton experimentation. I'm not sure how to proceed - but - for better or worse - I opted for the concentrate-on-the-jewels approach.

I do get the point though - and this may turn out to be a learning experience - in unexpected ways.



Even with wanton experimentation, it's probably not a good idea to just have him come over to your house without meeting first. Meeting somewhere public like a coffeeshop lets you make sure that a) he doesn't seem creepy or dangerous, and b) make sure he's accurately represented himself. The last thing you need is for him to come over and be 20 years older and 100 lbs fatter than his photo and really aggressive.

I bet you could find a way to make a meeting an establishing scene for your roleplay, if you really wanted to. Roleplay you're there to make sure your soon-to-be slave is well-behaved or something, maybe.

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RE: Ideas for my first male on male encounter - 9/14/2012 12:15:22 AM   
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Grace has some good points. Add in that it will also give HIM the opportunity to evaluate you. What would happen if you turned out to be the creepy one? (not saying you are)

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RE: Ideas for my first male on male encounter - 9/14/2012 4:24:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Longerthanyou
This is a good point. I had debated (to myself) whether I should meet him, for building the relationship, at a local Heteroville coffee shop - but - the entire theme is not really relationship fodder. It's wanton experimentation. I'm not sure how to proceed - but - for better or worse - I opted for the concentrate-on-the-jewels approach.



Relationship fodder or not, I'd still be wanting a public meeting, with the understanding that either of you could gracefully back out with no hard feelings if it didn't feel right. Even if it was just a case of meeting half an hour before in mcdonalds and then going back together.

If nothing else... what if he stinks? It'd be much easier to say 'I don't want to do this' in a cafe than in your bedroom. Or maybe that's just me. I don't like confrontations or potential embarrassment so I always like to leave myself a way out.

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RE: Ideas for my first male on male encounter - 9/14/2012 9:24:53 AM   
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I am all for wanton experimentation. But yes, I would meet somewhere neutral first. You just never know. And the neutral ground can build anticipation of a more realistic kind.

Have fun. And report back, because I'm a voyeur that way.

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RE: Ideas for my first male on male encounter - 9/14/2012 8:22:11 PM   
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Y'all didn't send LP a note?  At least you called her name in the thread.

Lance is NOT a happy camper, having not been called - NOR sent a note.

// snit over //

What they all said.

Coffee first.  A bit of discussion.  Seems like you've at least chatted enough on-line to get to this point, BUT physicality is different.  Okay, neither has run screaming from Coffee shop / diner / whatever - keep it cheap.  Steak house is a no-no.

You've said what is NOT going to happen - penetration.  Fine.  Over coffee get "hot" by discussing what might happen.  Sensation play is like GIGANTIC.  Tit-play? Flogging?  "Roman slave boy" bathes the Gladiator?

Doesn't matter - too late.

Awaiting results!

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RE: Ideas for my first male on male encounter - 9/15/2012 11:07:13 AM   
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Have fun. And report back


Here's the report, although it's hard to write because (a) it didn't go as planned and (b) it's hard to describe ... and (c) it feels a bit like kiss-and-tell to write it up.

But essentially, I learned a lot (which is a good thing). We met, he was meek and obedient but that certain je ne sais quoi just wasn't there in the room with us. Sure, I stripped him almost immediately, and his cock was mine for the taking. But, to be honest, I was a bit put back by the incessant leaking (mine doesn't do that), and by the over sensitive nature of the head (his was uncircumcised). Plus it was little, and curved, and all that ... point is ... it just wasn't 'pretty'.

But, more than that, as I mull over why it just didn't feel right, I realized there are a hundred little clues that make someone sexy - which I react to. It's really hard to describe this - but for one, when I put the nipple clamps on his nipples, the entire nipple wasn't what I'm used to, let alone his reaction was seemingly divorced from his cock - whereas in a woman, the sensations seem to be more intertwined.

Likewise, when I bent him over for a spanking, his his harder-than expected ass cheeks and upper thighs didn't give me the thrill I get from whipping a lady. Sure, the glowing redness was the same - but the delectable quivering I'm used to wasn't there.

Thinking more about it, almost nothing outside of the obvious wasn't there. No softness. No high-pitched squeaks. No finely curved lips or delicate hands to force around my cock. Truth be told, I didn't even cum, although when he was helpless, I did get hard a couple of times - but only on the though and not at all on the visual. I would have thought it would have been different - but - interestingly, he thought it was great. All the attention was on him. He came, and I instinctively ducked out of the way, it was that repulsive to be near his sperm. Again, I didn't think it would be that way. Who knows how or why these things happen.

When I thought about it, on my way home, I realized that something big was missing. The acts were all the same, but the deliciousness just wasn't there. I might as well have been a hooker, for all the emotion that it brought up in me. Interestingly, I thought that, as, near the end, I just wanted to get him off and get out of there. Which is strange. Because I initiated his encounter.

I could probably wax onward for an hour here because I just didn't expect what happened - yet - in a strange sort of way - I'm glad I did this. I realized quite a few things, and I'm slowly realizing more. For one, a cock is uuuugly. At least his is (I always thought mine was good looking). At least tits and a kitty are surrounded by softness and delicate smells and a high-pitched squeak when you pinch them. I only heard a groan and grunt when I smacked his hard cock to make it go limp so I could start over. The groan and grunt, surprisingly, had no erotic effect on me - certainly not like the trigger that a squeal gets from a woman.

I'm still confused - but less so. I'm realizing, belatedly, that a woman is NOT just a mouth, a cunt, and tits. A mouth is a mouth right? Nope. A woman's mouth is a thousand little things that trigger a wonderful sensation when you're using it to skullfuck. While I didn't even bother sticking mine in him anywhere (it repulsed me to even think about it - and that was never in the plan) I did slap his bound and gagged face with it, letting him feel the heft of it all - but, for me, smacking his jaw, just didn't have the sensations I wanted.

Lest I go on and on forever, allow me to say it was wonderful for you folks to advise me. I'm still confused. But, I think the key thing I've learned is that you 'can' disassociate the parts from the person - but - and this is key - the 'parts' appear to have many subtle clues that differentiate them, (for example, his ass just didn't have the same visual rounded-pear shape of a woman's ass, even when the squirming cues from being reamed were similar).

Sigh. It is what it is - but it wasn't all that I thought it would be.

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RE: Ideas for my first male on male encounter - 9/15/2012 11:26:08 AM   
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That's a shame, but I think over all, this was a more positive outcome than if things had gone according to plan in that you learnt many more things about yourself and what makes you tick and the nuances to your desires outside of simple fantasy.

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RE: Ideas for my first male on male encounter - 9/15/2012 2:33:50 PM   
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I found your response fascinating. Certainly *I* respond differently to spanking hard-bodied male bottoms than you do. Thank you for the re-telling.

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RE: Ideas for my first male on male encounter - 9/15/2012 4:40:17 PM   
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Ahem. Lance needs to go take care of a personal matter that just came up (yes, you know what I mean.)

Seriously, instead of "Cocks are ugly," how about "I didn't find his cock visually appealing and I think mine is." And so on, through just about every sentence.  Actually, as a Dom, the shape of a man's cock is of little interest to me.  Hard cheeks? Play with them, relax him.... I've had to "do" that plenty of times - that can be part of the fun, y'know?

He was probably as nervous (if not more) than you were and his butt was tense. Tense => hard.

BUT I'm glad you went into the experience with an open mind and that you learned some things about yourself.  Good job.

(Oh,..... and,..... er,..... um..... could I have his contact info? LOL!)

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RE: Ideas for my first male on male encounter - 9/15/2012 4:49:35 PM   
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Funny, isn't it? I've had this before, as a very occasional experimenter with male bodies. You realise that things you've taken for granted, and like, about bodies of the sex that you're used to, can be absent. You can tend to think, 'Eh? I'm used to bodies that I'm having sex with doing this and this, and being like that and that. This body is odd and alien!'

Curves and softness. Men's bodies don't have them. And too much hair. And their hips and butts don't bend and swivel well. IMO. Your mileage may, though, vary, my dear chap.

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RE: Ideas for my first male on male encounter - 9/15/2012 5:39:00 PM   
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A thought to throw in with your thoughts, OP:

I would maybe not rule out males based on this not-awesome experience.

The reason is I could tell how the rest of the tone in your post would go from the start: that you didn't feel that magic spark of attraction with him from the get-go.

The feelings (or lack of them) that you describe very much how I've felt during a good number of my times playing and also having sex with males... Despite being Very and Mostly interested in males both ways.

If there is no gut response to a partner, male or female, it goes much as you described, in my experience... Whether it's specifically that person I'm not into for whatever reason or just that particular time with an otherwise great partner. It's mechanical, a bit awkward and dull, and just looking forward to him coming and being done. Ditto with some females I've been with.

So it may be that you're just more or completely geared towards females or it may be that this particular male didn't set off the mutual sparks that would've made it a great time.

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RE: Ideas for my first male on male encounter - 9/15/2012 5:48:31 PM   
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Thanks for reporting back. I'm sorry you didnt have as much fun as you'd hoped. Men are...well, not like women. They're not *interchangeable*. I didnt realize that was ever at issue here, or I would have warned you. :) men have fabulous hardness and stiffness and angularity that's wonderful to me, and I have only seen a few unappealing peens. Not all are equally pretty, of course.

Agreeing with RumpusParable, don't give up on the experience. You might meet someone in realtime that gets you going! Be open to whatever, it's a world of folks. Not everyone responds the same way, and people who *know* and trust each other react more openly and honestly.



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RE: Ideas for my first male on male encounter - 9/16/2012 6:52:26 AM   
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quote:

Men are...well, not like women. They're not *interchangeable*.


Lesson #1!

Perfectly well spoken!

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ORIGINAL: RumpusParable
If there is no gut response to a partner, male or female, it goes much as you described


Lesson #2!

I was all high hopes up until he opened the door, and then, my heightened sexual level instantly dropped a few notches. His apartment was shoddy. It was a bit dank. Maybe it was as simple as the basal attraction not being there (as folks warned about getting to know him all along).

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
This body is odd and alien!'


Lesson #3:

The funny thing was, his body didn't react as easily as a woman's body does - he was stiff and rigid so to speak - and I kept thinking how much more fluidly a woman handles this. A female sub seems so much more natural with her myriad responses, from her tiny squeals as I lead her by the tits around the room, to the squiggling of her soft ass cheeks as I spank them ... even to the inherent smoothness of her cheeks as I cock slap her small face while she's kneeling blindfolded and gagged, before me. The thousand response cues being different - is what shocked me, I think.

(To his credit, it 'was' his first time too so he may have responded rather rigidly.)

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ORIGINAL: Alecta
you learnt many more things about yourself and what makes you tick

Indeed! But, in a way, I'm relieved that I've finally had a hard cock grow and shrink in my hands, at my will, wholly and undeniably in my total control. That was a good experience, even if the actual cock did not wholly appeal to my tastes.

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ORIGINAL: MissToYouRedux
*I* respond differently to spanking hard-bodied male bottoms than you do.

To be fair, he did squirm like I expected *after* I increased the hardness level. So, it was just that the gentle suggestive slaps didn't do anything to garner a response. It was especially delightful when he repositioned to avoid repeat areas - and that response was just like a woman's - only it took more to get him there than the ladies do.

And, delightfully, when I leashed his balls to the chair and then pulled him backward 'till it tugged hard on them, he did spread his legs out ever so slightly - and that little feminine widening motion was music to my eyes as it provided the right visual cues that I was expecting.

And, I must say, reaming his ass with the covered dildo was also fun because he actually squirmed *more* than the ladies do given equal size & penetration. In fact, he was way tighter than any woman I have been with - so just the fact I was in control and that I could enter & leave his wet spots at will with my implements was sensual in and of itself. It was satisfying to be in control of all his holes, even if he was missing the most delightful one (not his fault, of course).
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Instead of "Cocks are ugly," how about "I didn't find his cock visually appealing and I think mine is." ... Hard cheeks? Play with them, relax him.... I've had to "do" that plenty of times - that can be part of the fun, y'know? He was probably as nervous


I must agree. He 'was' nervous. But at least he was obedient. Recently he wrote to me asking whether I liked it (which I didn't expect as I usually initiate and conclude all the conversations).

It's true that I just didn't find his cock appealing. And, it's equally true that I think mine is especially good looking. But it was my fantasy to control its hardness and softness, and that I was able to do - more so than with mine - as I'd never have slapped my hard cock the way I abused his to get it to soften at my command. Here it was helpful to disassociate the person from the cock - as I didn't worry (too much) about his pain. Otherwise I couldn't do that. He did soften rather quickly, so it only took about fifteen seconds or so of pain to control it - and then it hardened right up in my hands for another round. (That was fun!)

Therefore, I realize I may have been too negative in my initial response ... I guess it was the main disappointment that was weighing on my mind. However, as you note, there were good things that happened.

For one, even with the much-firmer-than-expected ass cheeks, the glowing reddening a few seconds after every stroke was sensual to watch. Likewise, after blindfolding him and cuffing his hands and ankles - just placing the ball gag in his wet mouth, and having him humbly accept the lack of speech was thrilling. I love cinching that ball gag! It's the wanton intrusion into a human body that thrilled me.

Also the visual feeling of power and control hits at that point - when I stepped back after he was wrapped up like a humble slave, arms and elbows behind, ankles firmly bound, collar and chain in place. I even enjoyed leading him about the room like a doggy, knowing his clumsy shuffle was due to the restraints as I guided him with pinches on the left nipple to go left, and the right to go right just as I've often done with a woman's more sensitive nipples. I just had to pinch harder to get the right level of reaction out of him!

Maybe that's one of the lessons also.

The all-so-important human reaction to control seemed to take much more force than I expected, just to get an equal squeal (grunt in his case) out of him. Maybe, while men and women are not interchangeable, the magnitude of the sexuality is - if not just the level of response. I don't know. I'm still mulling this over.

I haven't written men off altogether - and - strangely - the more distance I put into this (time wise), the more it starts appealing to me. THAT, I did not expect either. I thought I had written it off, as I was driving home. I wasn't to the point of chewing my arm off to get out of there - but I wasn't in thrill heaven either. I was happy it was over. So I'm surprised, that, as I think about it, there 'were' D/s elements that I truly enjoyed.

At first I was pondering "if only he was more like a woman in his responses" (younger, smoother, skinnier, effeminate, etc) ... but, with the benefit of your advice and time ... there are quite a few takeaways ... and maybe yet another lesson is that getting the important myriad squirming cues out of men might take (much?) more stimuli than it does for the same delightful set of a thousand response cues in women? This ... I ponder.

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RE: Ideas for my first male on male encounter - 9/16/2012 1:20:17 PM   
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Funny, isn't it? I've had this before, as a very occasional experimenter with male bodies. You realise that things you've taken for granted, and like, about bodies of the sex that you're used to, can be absent. You can tend to think, 'Eh? I'm used to bodies that I'm having sex with doing this and this, and being like that and that. This body is odd and alien!'

Curves and softness. Men's bodies don't have them. And too much hair. And their hips and butts don't bend and swivel well. IMO. Your mileage may, though, vary, my dear chap.
I can't put My finger on it, but there was something really hot about this.



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RE: Ideas for my first male on male encounter - 9/16/2012 1:29:11 PM   
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I hope you were nice to the boy when he messages you! He needs encouragement too.

Keep experimenting :) quite often what we think we'd like is very different from what we would like, the only way you know is to try it and be there

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