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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/17/2012 5:33:02 PM   
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Why is Romney a vote for war?

(Please explain that).



Because Romney is one of those arseholes whose chief appeal is to cretinous American rednecks who still, despite all the decades of evidence of vast mumbers of Americans killed with little or no tangible positive result in return, believe that foreign policy is all about 'kicking ass'.

I would suggest.


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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/17/2012 5:47:59 PM   
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I'm wondering if those who think(that in and of itself is questionable)Romney is the answer are prepared to see the United States involved in another war ?
Listening to Romney/Ryan pontificate on Iran and their attempts to arm themselves with a nuke,a voter must be given some pause,must realize that a vote for Romney is a vote for war.
And this would be a war decided by Israel,for it seems that American foreign policy would be decided in Jerusalem rather than in Washington,are American voters prepared for such an eventuality ?
Romney is supposed to be the answer to America's economic issues....how would that work against a backdrop of another extended war ?


Why is Romney a vote for war?

(Please explain that).


You are shitting me,aren't you ?
He has done nothing but stress a need for a much more aggressive stance with Iran,coming thisclose to suggesting that America second her own decision making process to Israel !
He has not only stated that as Israel is the country most at risk the decision as to when and why to initiate pre-emptive war against Iran is rightly Israel's and that America will have her back(in other words :when Bibi lets loose the dogs of war America shall be right there with her).
Add to that his oft stated stance that we should increase defense spending rather than cut back.
One tends to like to use the hardware one pays for.

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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/17/2012 8:57:18 PM   
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Just be interested in knowing in what scenario that would possibly happen? Is there another country on earth at this time that has the ability to compete with the US? The answer is an emphatic no. I would venture to guess that most of the Gold Futures are bought and sold here in the US. Not somewhere else. Our bonds are being snapped up each and every day. Why? Cause there is total confidence in our ability to manage the world.

You are here each day and hear our internal squabbles. Do you imagine there are no other squabbles in other parts of the world? Even in Canada you've a Province that once again has a Gov't that has as a goal to break up Canada itself.

At the end of the day the world needs our leadership and ability to set thing right. It doesn't always work out perfectly. However, just imagine any of the worlds' crisises being dominanted by a Russian Gov't or the PRC......The outcomes would be far uglier.

Lets see.. I never said any other country had the ability to compete with the US at this time.. I did say it will take a few decades for the errosion to happen... but imo it will happen.. Your ability to manage the world has done a bang up job.. creating the worst economic disaster in recent history, both around the world and in the US.. and its far from over yet.. that US debt bill will have to be paid at some point..

I never said there werent squabbles elsewhere in the world but these forums do tend to focus almost entirely on the US (since most posters are Americans, not many look past the border).. You like to go on about Quebec dont you? Quebec is only one part of Canada and no one takes that seriously, just cuz they stomp their feet every so often doesnt mean Canada will break up.. its just their way of getting concessions, etc.. they are the spoilt child of Canada and thats it.. yeah,.. they pout a little and hold their breath but they aint goin no where.. the bottom line is that they cant afford to.. btw, there is a Western Canada Separation movement too, but that isnt taken seriously either..

Imo, if China loosened its restrictions a bit, you would see a lot more money and investment flowing there.. thats all they have to do.. that would be a game changer, imo.. China recently took over a couple of US banks.. your US govt opened the door and let 'em walk right in, ya know, cuz China holds a lot of that US debt.. I wonder how long it will be before they are dictating to the Prez just like the 1% do now..


Just me, but if California brought in a Gov. and a legislature that was signed on to the idea that California was going to break away from the US......I think we'd have a few thousand threads on it.....But maybe we overreact..

China? A little loosening? You do realize that it is a Dictatorship right? Censoring, Rigged Elections.....Political arrests...No trial by jury....So sure you loosen things up and go build something there. When the PRC decides to repatriate your business how are you going to cope? But I could be wrong. How about you go on over and check out the possibilities.

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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/17/2012 9:26:08 PM   
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Hold sec, bubba. Are you saying that libya was better while it was being run by a genocidal murdering dictator?



I ain't your bubba, Booboo.

Try reading what I wrote. Starting with an insult, and posting a Bush pic to change the subject only reveals how terrified you must be of an actual conversation on President Obama's lack of respect for the boundaries of his Constitutional authority.


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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/17/2012 9:58:19 PM   
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Hold sec, bubba. Are you saying that libya was better while it was being run by a genocidal murdering dictator?



I ain't your bubba, Booboo.

Try reading what I wrote. Starting with an insult, and posting a Bush pic to change the subject only reveals how terrified you must be of an actual conversation on President Obama's lack of respect for the boundaries of his Constitutional authority.





Perhaps he recalls your fanatical defense of terrorist and killer of 178 Americans, muammar gaddafi.

Or maybe it was your countless feeble attempts to vindicate your dearest failure bush by claiming the president is as lawless and corrupt as bush was(but can never quite explain how).

Just a hunch.

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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/17/2012 10:03:32 PM   
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Perhaps he recalls your fanatical defense of terrorist and killer of 178 Americans, muammar gaddafi.




Are you saying that DYB lives in the fantasies coming out of your posts, Owner59? Or do you just figure he gets the same talking points emails?

Our President decided to make war on a sovereign nation, publicly, and without approval from Congress. He chose to take personal ownership, and when our Ambassador there was murdered and dragged through the streets, well, he had to be at a fundraiser in Vegas.

Own that.

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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/17/2012 10:14:02 PM   
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United States President Barack Obama, October 23, 2011

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On behalf of the American people, I congratulate the people of Libya on today's historic declaration of liberation. After four decades of brutal dictatorship and eight months of deadly conflict, the Libyan people can now celebrate their freedom and the beginning of a new era of promise.



United States Ambassador Chris Stevens, Sept 11, 2012






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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/17/2012 10:22:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Just a quick refresher, here.

United States President Barack Obama, October 23, 2011

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On behalf of the American people, I congratulate the people of Libya on today's historic declaration of liberation. After four decades of brutal dictatorship and eight months of deadly conflict, the Libyan people can now celebrate their freedom and the beginning of a new era of promise.



United States Ambassador Chris Stevens, Sept 11, 2012








We`re in a war with terrotists....fellow citizen......

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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/17/2012 11:26:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I might have missed your point here, but how is a vote for Mr Obama going to prevent war? Even if it ends up being all bush's fault or the fault of the global economy, I am not reassured that the gentleman in charge is any more likely to shut down Iran, or all the crap that is going on in the Mideast at present. His not so gracious treatment of our allies has me less than confident in his snake charming skills. Romney. it seems, has the management skills to know that some things are best delegated. If Romey is more like Bush then the hostilities will be likely to stay in the mid east, rather than downtown DC or Downtown NYC.

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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/17/2012 11:30:28 PM   
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I'm wondering if those who think (that in and of itself is questionable) Romney is the answer are prepared to see the United States involved in another war ?


Implied is that the US will not become involved in another war via Obama. Such implication is unwarranted as Obama has continued the middle east blunderings of Bush the Younger.

�Off the record, Paris is burning,” Senor told a group of reporters a year into the war. “On the record, security and stability are returning to Iraq.”

Since Obama the whole middle east has been gaining turmoil, not reducing it.

Senor is emblematic of how much trouble America blundered into in the Middle East — trillions wasted, so many lives and limbs lost — because of how little we fathom the culture and sectarian politics. We’re still stumbling in the dark. We not only don’t know who our allies and enemies are, we don’t know who our allies’ and enemies’ allies and enemies are.

The Democrats are as clueless as the Republicans, yet each holds to their own like a drowning man holds to a slowly deflating life support.



...and just how did we get into these wars again ? If the American electorate is going to have such a short term memory, then policy and war will be forever the real mix and all that really counts anymore.

For the neocons...mission accomplished.

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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/17/2012 11:34:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		The amazing thing is when Romney talks of a hard line with Iran, he was talking imposing strict sanctions... Sanctions that should have been started months ago... I've never seen he talk about troops on the ground.

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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/17/2012 11:49:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Just a quick refresher, here.

United States President Barack Obama, October 23, 2011

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On behalf of the American people, I congratulate the people of Libya on today's historic declaration of liberation. After four decades of brutal dictatorship and eight months of deadly conflict, the Libyan people can now celebrate their freedom and the beginning of a new era of promise.



United States Ambassador Chris Stevens, Sept 11, 2012







That's just gross. I pity you.
That's just vulgar to use images of a dead man for purpose of sophmoric humor.
I've seen enough. I'm out of here.
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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/18/2012 12:01:02 AM   
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Yup......according to the mouth-breathers..........a Romney presidency would have prevented all terrorist attacks including this one and make Muslims everywhere ok with Koran burning in the US......


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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/18/2012 12:11:54 AM   
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Yup......according to the mouth-breathers..........a Romney presidency would have prevented all terrorist attacks including this one and make Muslims everywhere ok with Koran burning in the US......



Oh come now!... look at the Republican record. Oh no... wait... ah.

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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/18/2012 8:08:19 AM   
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Just me, but if California brought in a Gov. and a legislature that was signed on to the idea that California was going to break away from the US......I think we'd have a few thousand threads on it.....But maybe we overreact..

China? A little loosening? You do realize that it is a Dictatorship right? Censoring, Rigged Elections.....Political arrests...No trial by jury....So sure you loosen things up and go build something there. When the PRC decides to repatriate your business how are you going to cope? But I could be wrong. How about you go on over and check out the possibilities.


lol Canadians have had a lot of time listening to Quebec's little temper tantrums, I know its been around my entire life so if California signed on to the idea of breaking away a century ago it would be old news today and no, there wouldnt be a few thousands of threads on it.. again, it would also be a pretty empty threat since CA would likely have to come up with its share of the Federal debt before it could do so.. they would not be able to afford that and everyone would know that..

Sure and Russia was a Dictatorship not long ago too.. that doesnt mean that China cant also become more democratic over time.. I also dont believe that the Chinese would be that stupid to repatriate businesses.. They took over Hong Kong and all the fears people had about that never happened.. I dont need to personally go over and check out the possibilities (that doesnt mean I wouldnt if they loosened up certain restrictions), there are plenty of big American corps that have already done that for decades now and they wouldnt be over there if they thought their money was at risk..

I know some people think they own their US home when in reality the govt can steal it from them any time they want.. there are risks in the US too, no matter that its considered by many to be "democratic".. I know someone that lost his real estate in that way & there are plenty of other cases too.. the govts in the US have various ways of doing that.. code violations that didnt exist when the building was built, not paying your property or income tax, eminent domain, mineral rights sold off, just being accused (not even charged or convicted) of a "crime" means they can seize all your assets (many cases of that), etc.. in those ways the US is just as much of a Dictatorship as China, imo.. Nothing in life is 100% risk free..

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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/18/2012 5:58:50 PM   
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That's just gross. I pity you.
That's just vulgar to use images of a dead man for purpose of sophmoric humor.
I've seen enough. I'm out of here.



Humor? You think I find it funny? Rude awakening time, my friend. This is the reality behind our President's pretty, empty, words. This is the reality he chose to take personal ownership of, when his administration decided the bit of the Constitution that says Congress holds the power to declare war didn't apply, if the President has it done by remote control.

But please, by all means, do be "out of here," then. If you can't take the heat, get back in the kitchen. Run back to the safe little world of emails from the "Truth Team," and never associating with anyone outside your little bubble who might challenge the dogma.

And have a nice night.



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RE: A question for those thinking of voting for Romney - 9/19/2012 8:05:47 AM   
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No war was declared or contemplated, he followed the constitution and the war powers act exactly, and  ingnoring the actual facts and pouting isn't pretty. 

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