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RE: Enlightenment - 9/18/2012 12:10:52 AM   
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I cannot speak for Doms. I am not a Dom. I am a Master, and naturally dominant, as a man. What I can say from My perspective is it sounds like what you describe is related to character issues, and relational problems, not about “Doms”, per se.

It also sounds like you sensed something was amiss. Next time perhaps you will trust this internal indication, and act on it rather than ignore it.

Finally, I encourage you to not measure every man that identifies as a Dom by this experience, and rather measure the character of an individual man by His actions, as that man shows Himself to be.

I wish you well
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RE: Enlightenment - 9/18/2012 2:49:50 AM   
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I was going to answer your other thread which was almost identical to this one but then I noticed you didn't come back and answer those who responded, which means you probably don't read the responses. If you show your face up on this thread again then I will respond to topic, if not I'm not going to type to a brick wall.

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RE: Enlightenment - 9/18/2012 8:19:44 AM   
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Look, there are actual guys out there who are
Not liars, they are not cheating or using D/s to
get blow-jobs but you have to wade through a
hell of a lot of shitheads to find them so you can
either become a nun or keep searching, if you
keep looking expect to run into more wankers,
but keep your mind on the goal and don't get
let it get to you.

For me I would go from CMail very quickly and
hit MSN messenger or something for real time
texting, I don't have a cam but I would probably
buy one to play around and see what skypes like.

At this point we would have both seen what the
other looks like, and found out any information
like kids, job, likes & dislikes that might be deal
breakers No commands, just two people
getting to know each other.


Then I would suggest a meet if all was going well,
like cafe lunch followed by some light shopping
and knowing me probably bad jokes and clever
flirting!

The point is, If a "Dom" at any point before your
comfortable with him, tries to use D/s as shortcut
to bypass the need for having relationship skills,
he is either inexperienced or a player IMO.

Just be honest and open, you can't control what
he does but if he's acting like a spy or something,
not able to talk or be places for various reasons
then I say save yourself the drama and just find a
Dom that is in charge of his life at least.

-Aries


Exactly. Great advice clearly from real world experience. Nicely put without judgement or rant. Yes, get to know each other before developing a relationship using vanilla meetings and my personal favorite is the Saturday lunch. At the most, if all is going well in the lunch meeting, do not be surprised if he asks you to sit beside him and that he wishes you to take food offered from his hand and fingers. Honestly guys, if you are hitting it off she will actually enjoy this even though it will cause a visual stir in the waitress, I promise they will not throw you out. Beside, both you and she will ignore anyone else since you are both in a private 'bubble' of your own making, as a Dom, where only you and she exist. See? No blow jobs or quickies but a bubble you set-up where you show your desire and ability to lead and provide using a simple thing like feeding her with your hand as she surely responds by licking your fingers. To continue, you have ice cream cones, dipped or undipped, across the road at basken robbins and you call her later and set-up dinner for the next meeting ...

There, this is how I and I am sure others have in similar ways, met and developed a relationship with their submissives, the beautiful women who are the ying to our yang.

Don't forget the ice cream cones and order something for lunch you can actually pick-up. Like bites of steak you cut-up and feed her with your fingers. Details matter.

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RE: Enlightenment - 9/18/2012 9:28:35 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ARIES83


No commands, just two people
getting to know each other.

-Aries


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ORIGINAL: Arturas
Exactly. Great advice clearly from real world experience. Nicely put without judgement or rant. Yes, get to know each other before developing a relationship using vanilla meetings and my personal favorite is the Saturday lunch. At the most, if all is going well in the lunch meeting, do not be surprised if he asks you to sit beside him and that he wishes you to take food offered from his hand and fingers. Honestly guys, if you are hitting it off she will actually enjoy this even though it will cause a visual stir in the waitress, I promise they will not throw you out. Beside, both you and she will ignore anyone else since you are both in a private 'bubble' of your own making, as a Dom, where only you and she exist. See? No blow jobs or quickies but a bubble you set-up where you show your desire and ability to lead and provide using a simple thing like feeding her with your hand as she surely responds by licking your fingers. To continue, you have ice cream cones, dipped or undipped, across the road at basken robbins and you call her later and set-up dinner for the next meeting ...

There, this is how I and I am sure others have in similar ways, met and developed a relationship with their submissives, the beautiful women who are the ying to our yang.

Don't forget the ice cream cones and order something for lunch you can actually pick-up. Like bites of steak you cut-up and feed her with your fingers. Details matter.


So the bit you bolded and praised Aires for isn't something you actually do, otherwise you wouldn't be making them sit next to you and getting them to eat out of your hand.

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RE: Enlightenment - 9/18/2012 10:09:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MariaB




quote:

ORIGINAL: ARIES83


No commands, just two people
getting to know each other.

-Aries


quote:

ORIGINAL: Arturas
Exactly. Great advice clearly from real world experience. Nicely put without judgement or rant. Yes, get to know each other before developing a relationship using vanilla meetings and my personal favorite is the Saturday lunch. At the most, if all is going well in the lunch meeting, do not be surprised if he asks you to sit beside him and that he wishes you to take food offered from his hand and fingers. Honestly guys, if you are hitting it off she will actually enjoy this even though it will cause a visual stir in the waitress, I promise they will not throw you out. Beside, both you and she will ignore anyone else since you are both in a private 'bubble' of your own making, as a Dom, where only you and she exist. See? No blow jobs or quickies but a bubble you set-up where you show your desire and ability to lead and provide using a simple thing like feeding her with your hand as she surely responds by licking your fingers. To continue, you have ice cream cones, dipped or undipped, across the road at basken robbins and you call her later and set-up dinner for the next meeting ...

There, this is how I and I am sure others have in similar ways, met and developed a relationship with their submissives, the beautiful women who are the ying to our yang.

Don't forget the ice cream cones and order something for lunch you can actually pick-up. Like bites of steak you cut-up and feed her with your fingers. Details matter.


So the bit you bolded and praised Aires for isn't something you actually do, otherwise you wouldn't be making them sit next to you and getting them to eat out of your hand.


I understand why you made your point but consider the difference between meeting with a wannabee and a real dom is the difference between having lunch with a guy pawing you in a park and wanting a quick blow job versus a man who is making a vanilla luncheon, in a nice place, a pleasurable experience for you both while showing you what he is about and letting you show him what you are about while very vanilla. I don't consider feeding a submissive with my fingers very kinky. I sometimes did that in prior real vanilla dates. It's fun rather than threatening. Besides, I did mention ice cream cones. They are "vanilla" and are an important part in ending the first meeting with an old fashioned and very sweet and very real closure style and quite a few smiles and laughs. When you leave a woman after a date it is important that the last thing you leave her with is a sweet taste and a smile on her face.

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RE: Enlightenment - 9/18/2012 10:33:58 AM   
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in a public venue, I'd smack the dogshit outta some guy that insisted that I eat food from his hand. Then, I would leave.

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RE: Enlightenment - 9/18/2012 10:46:02 AM   
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in a public venue, I'd smack the dogshit outta some guy that insisted that I eat food from his hand. Then, I would leave.


I think you should. Remember that I asked her and that she found it pleasurable.

A Dom must be flexible and not "insist". Shortblondsub ate steak from my fingers. So did Wendlaughs. Now when I asked Tammy, you know tammy, to meet me for dinner, she had her baby sitter cancel out at the last minute and asked if she could bring her children to the first "date", pretty please. Of course I said yes and of course it was plain vanilla all the way with us sharing a Mexican dinner in Cookeville and laughs and stories about the kids and of course ice cream down the road which was fun and then a very long but vanilla kiss to finish a first meeting. Of course, our second meeting was dinner together in our bubble at a very nice place called "Demos" in Lebanon TN where we shared a steak and she ate from my fingers with pleasure. Soon thereafter we were a regular Dom and sub and she was with me at the Mark lifestyle club in a cage or bound to a bed in silk scarf blindfold with hot wax, loud music and the such. So, I think the "insist" part has no place for the wannabee "insisting" on sex on the first meeting or a real Dom "insisting" on you daintily eating prime steak from his fingers. I think in both cases "insisting" has not place in early meetings.

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RE: Enlightenment - 9/18/2012 10:48:08 AM   
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Exactly. Great advice clearly from real world experience. Nicely put without judgement or rant. Yes, get to know each other before developing a relationship using vanilla meetings and my personal favorite is the Saturday lunch. At the most, if all is going well in the lunch meeting, do not be surprised if he asks you to sit beside him and that he wishes you to take food offered from his hand and fingers.


Someone expecting me to eat from his hand on the first meeting would find himself sitting alone very quickly. (Hell, if only from a sanitary standpoint. I don't know you. I don't know if you pick your ass and don't wash your hands.)

My golden rule was that there was no D/s, BDSM or sex on the first meeting or the first date.


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RE: Enlightenment - 9/18/2012 11:02:57 AM   
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I don't know if you pick your ass and don't wash your hands.)


I understand that response. It is sensible. But do you not really know soon after meeting him? If not, then when do you know that? I think soon, in the first meeting, before the food arrives. If you don't, then it will be a very short dinner anyways I think.

I kiss on the first date also. I don't insist, but she seems to know I do not kiss my dogs ass with those lips.

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RE: Enlightenment - 9/18/2012 11:13:04 AM   
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I don't know if you pick your ass and don't wash your hands.)


I understand that response. It is sensible. But do you not really know soon after meeting him? If not, then when do you know that? I think soon, in the first meeting, before the food arrives. If you don't, then it will be a very short dinner anyways I think.


Nope. I tend to not know people's bathroom habits shortly after meeting them.


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RE: Enlightenment - 9/18/2012 11:18:40 AM   
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I don't know if you pick your ass and don't wash your hands.)


I understand that response. It is sensible. But do you not really know soon after meeting him? If not, then when do you know that? I think soon, in the first meeting, before the food arrives. If you don't, then it will be a very short dinner anyways I think.


Nope. I tend to not know people's bathroom habits shortly after meeting them.



Do you kiss on the first date?

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RE: Enlightenment - 9/18/2012 11:23:17 AM   
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Eating from someone's hands on a first date?? I would find it extremely weird and uncomfortable, especially in public. I think I would look at him and wonder what the hell he was trying to do.

Now the first night I met Master and we went for dessert at a little diner, he did feed me some of his dessert from a spoon but that's not all that weird to me because people do that all the time when they try the other person's food or just being a little romantic. But eating from the person's hands?? EEeerr..just too weird for me.


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RE: Enlightenment - 9/18/2012 11:32:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Arturas


quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: Arturas

quote:

I don't know if you pick your ass and don't wash your hands.)


I understand that response. It is sensible. But do you not really know soon after meeting him? If not, then when do you know that? I think soon, in the first meeting, before the food arrives. If you don't, then it will be a very short dinner anyways I think.


Nope. I tend to not know people's bathroom habits shortly after meeting them.



Do you kiss on the first date?


On the first meeting. No.

On the first date, sometimes.

But, I'm reasonably sure he doesn't wipe his ass wipe his mouth.


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RE: Enlightenment - 9/18/2012 11:33:18 AM   
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in a public venue, I'd smack the dogshit outta some guy that insisted that I eat food from his hand. Then, I would leave.



Insisted? Yeah. But yanno... I have absolutely fed dates from my fork/spoon. Whether they accept it ("here, taste this, it's lovely!") or cringe tells me a great deal.

Feeding someone from my hands, I reserve for picnics, or private times, and generally once I know them a little better.

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RE: Enlightenment - 9/18/2012 11:53:33 AM   
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Honestly guys, if you are hitting it off she will actually enjoy this even though it will cause a visual stir in the waitress, I promise they will not throw you out. Beside, both you and she will ignore anyone else since you are both in a private 'bubble' of your own making, as a Dom, where only you and she exist. See? No blow jobs or quickies but a bubble you set-up where you show your desire and ability to lead and provide using a simple thing like feeding her with your hand as she surely responds by licking your fingers. To continue, you have ice cream cones, dipped or undipped, across the road at basken robbins and you call her later and set-up dinner for the next meeting ...

There, this is how I and I am sure others have in similar ways, met and developed a relationship with their submissives, the beautiful women who are the ying to our yang.

Don't forget the ice cream cones


I strive to comport myself in public in such a way that will not cause visual stirs in the staff.

I recently kicked someone to the curb who thought it would be amusing to Involve the Public in Our Kink at an ice cream stand and again at a restaurant.

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RE: Enlightenment - 9/18/2012 11:57:01 AM   
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quote:

Honestly guys, if you are hitting it off she will actually enjoy this even though it will cause a visual stir in the waitress, I promise they will not throw you out. Beside, both you and she will ignore anyone else since you are both in a private 'bubble' of your own making, as a Dom, where only you and she exist. See? No blow jobs or quickies but a bubble you set-up where you show your desire and ability to lead and provide using a simple thing like feeding her with your hand as she surely responds by licking your fingers. To continue, you have ice cream cones, dipped or undipped, across the road at basken robbins and you call her later and set-up dinner for the next meeting ...

There, this is how I and I am sure others have in similar ways, met and developed a relationship with their submissives, the beautiful women who are the ying to our yang.

Don't forget the ice cream cones


I strive to comport myself in public in such a way that will not cause visual stirs in the staff.

I recently kicked someone to the curb who thought it would be amusing to Involve the Public in Our Kink at an ice cream stand and again at a restaurant.



OH HELL YES. I was not brought up to create public scenes, or draw unneccessary attention to myself.

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RE: Enlightenment - 9/18/2012 12:06:12 PM   
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Insisted? Yeah. But yanno... I have absolutely fed dates from my fork/spoon. Whether they accept it ("here, taste this, it's lovely!") or cringe tells me a great deal.


Yeah, but you're not doing that to try to create a dynamic. You're doing it because, "Hmmm, this is good. Try it."

But, if someone used feeding me to create a dynamic on the the very first meeting, it wouldn't last very long.


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RE: Enlightenment - 9/18/2012 12:35:16 PM   
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Eating from someone's hands on a first date?? I would find it extremely weird and uncomfortable, especially in public. I think I would look at him and wonder what the hell he was trying to do.

Now the first night I met Master and we went for dessert at a little diner, he did feed me some of his dessert from a spoon but that's not all that weird to me because people do that all the time when they try the other person's food or just being a little romantic. But eating from the person's hands?? EEeerr..just too weird for me.



That is the point. Everyone shares food with cold spoons. But don't you see submissives in a dungeon venue drinking water from a Dom's hands while bound? Or being pierced by long needles by someone they just met? I suspect many of those who think this is "weird" are to be respected for their position as it is good for them and who can say that is wrong? I also suppose I am a bit out of the box. It took a great leap of faith in myself, the girl and the waitress the first time I attempted this. I was both a bit surprised and over joyed it went well that first time and this with a teacher with a master in education as well as a past dungeon master (bet you did not know submissives can be great Dungeon Masters? Well, maybe you did).

I think if you can instill a real sense of confidence and trust in a short time, like before the food your ordered arrived, you have something of what it takes to be a "real Dom" and any women who reacts naturally to someone like this might find herself not thinking this is "wierd" but this is "new" and "natural" and "different". I think trust is the basis of any great relationship and a submissive is foremost looking for a man who is confident and in whom she can trust and know that when he takes charge then she will be safe letting him lead in any venue. When a man can instill that into a woman soon after first meeting her so that she takes food not from a cold spoon but from his fingers on the first date then I suspect nothing is wrong when we are discussing Dom and Submissive. He and She do not meet on the first date to have sex but to please not with sex but with the simple act of providing food from his hand and his success as a Dom is tested in her taking food from his warm, comforting hand.

So, to Enlighten, long distance relationships have their challenges and face to face relationships theirs also. Both require quickly building trust and never breaking that trust and confidence and the OP is surely the victim of broken trust and confidence. but as one already said so well, there are real doms out there who will not lie to you or break your trust and will surely trust you not to bite their finger off at dinner.

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RE: Enlightenment - 9/18/2012 12:40:40 PM   
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Insisted? Yeah. But yanno... I have absolutely fed dates from my fork/spoon. Whether they accept it ("here, taste this, it's lovely!") or cringe tells me a great deal.


Yeah, but you're not doing that to try to create a dynamic. You're doing it because, "Hmmm, this is good. Try it."

But, if someone used feeding me to create a dynamic on the the very first meeting, it wouldn't last very long.



Yeah, but also to see how he reacts. Someone who is going to squick from eating off my fork... well....


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RE: Enlightenment - 9/18/2012 2:13:30 PM   
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Amateur! Real Dom/me's do it like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXM4Bm6zXBI

If they squik at that then I
write them off as lesbian...
-Aries

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