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RE: The Romney tape: what effect do you think it will h... - 9/18/2012 8:35:16 PM   
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But the truth is not that 47% get there money from the government. Most of the 47% who don't pay federl income tax do pay payroll taxes which means they pay a higher percentage of their income in federal taxes than Romney. Any of those people, many of which vote Republican, who actually listen to Romney's disdain for their support may decide to vote for their best interest over their conservative social views.

Depending upon how much of that group does move it could put much of the south into play. Texas, with its large hispanic population and failed vote suppression law, could shift sides now rather than in 2016 or 2020.



You see only what you want to see... Where did Romney say 47% of Americans? He said 47% of Obama Supporters... Big difference you are ignoring to try and demonize Romney... It ain't working.

He said
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There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax.

It requires a willful misreading to make that anything but a dismissal of nearly half the population.

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RE: The Romney tape: what effect do you think it will h... - 9/18/2012 9:10:35 PM   
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Isnt it strange that 8 out of 10 states with the lowest income.... the "47%".. are red states.


Reminds me that during the Civil War plantation owners in the South conned the unemployed whites to go to war for the "cause."

How true is that.Never before and never since have so many paid the ultimate price in furtherance of an end against their own best interest.....but today's average,run of the mill, Republican sure come close to that generation of Southerners .
Of course the outcome won't be as dramatic ie : loss of their very lives ...no, today's fools we are just looking at a loss of the American dream.

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RE: The Romney tape: what effect do you think it will h... - 9/18/2012 9:13:06 PM   
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RE: The Romney tape: what effect do you think it will h... - 9/18/2012 9:45:17 PM   
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Not much effect for very long.

The next big event should be the first debate on Oct 3rd. Unless some outside event has an impact.

By then this tape will have been forgotten.


Of Course, and my hearing from several former classmates working now for campaign media consultancies ALL putting in bids to get the contract to produce commercials out of a rich 49 minutes of material that virtually everybody in the political business has in their hands now, is going to end up being scrapped too.
   I'm presuming you haven't heard the items about his wishing to take advantage of an international crises, his wife, name it... It's all there.
   You will be viewing segments of that video till the 6th of November my friend.


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RE: The Romney tape: what effect do you think it will h... - 9/18/2012 9:50:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I dont think it will Mike...the game isnt over yet, but nope, not one of the people Ive spoken to, or read in various forums and news sites can identify with being part of the 47% when they are working.
Of course then we have the complete sad puppies who cant accept what he actually said..
Ive watched the entire movie.. This would sink any man except the one who is up against Obama..they will absolve him and wont waver...no matter the consequences.

What I think and what I would like to see are two totally different issues.



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RE: The Romney tape: what effect do you think it will h... - 9/18/2012 11:15:02 PM   
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Ive watched the entire movie.. This would sink any man except the one who is up against Obama..they will absolve him and wont waver...no matter the consequences.

What I think and what I would like to see are two totally different issues.


Did you catch the bit about "using Ann sparingly. So people don't get sick of her".... I wonder if Ann heard that one. She is reputed to be nastier than Nancy Reagan. Do mormans keep rolling pins in their kitchens?

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RE: The Romney tape: what effect do you think it will h... - 9/19/2012 1:36:19 AM   
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There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what.

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There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what.

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There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what.

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There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what.

Again, he's clearly talking about 47% of Democrat registered voters.

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RE: The Romney tape: what effect do you think it will h... - 9/19/2012 2:35:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Quote "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... [M]y job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."


He isnt speaking of 47% of the Democratic party... he is speaking of 47% of the population.

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RE: The Romney tape: what effect do you think it will h... - 9/19/2012 3:31:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		I havent heard Romnry try to use that as an excuse, not even in his rebuttal.
Nor Ryan for that matter

http://news.yahoo.com/ryan-romney-obviously-inarticulate-remarks-012752642--election.html

RENO, Nev. (AP) — Mitt Romney's running mate is calling the Republican presidential nominee "obviously inarticulate" when he remarked that nearly half of Americans believe they are victims and entitled to a range of government support.
Wisconsin congressman Paul Ryan made the comment in an interview aired Tuesday by KRNV-TV in Reno, Nev.
Romney has defended his remarks, but he has also called them "not elegantly stated."
Asked what he thought of Romney's remarks, Ryan told the Nevada station: "He was obviously inarticulate in making this point." Ryan went on to say the point the Republicans are making is that, under the Obama economy, government dependency is up and economic stagnation is up.
Asked if he thought Romney regrets the remarks, Ryan says he thinks Romney would have said it differently, adding, "that's for sure."




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RE: The Romney tape: what effect do you think it will h... - 9/19/2012 5:44:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just hope he has the balls to keep on with it. Make it a campaign signature. Lets have a real debate on who should get what and how.

The effect? I don't think anyone has an idea. Nobody has ever said anything this stupid running for President before.

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RE: The Romney tape: what effect do you think it will h... - 9/19/2012 6:17:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		It will have a very slight (negative) impact on voting.

There are very few undecided voters this time around, and these comments are not controversial enough to shift many opinions. I live in a place that votes 95% republican and no one is bothered. Outraged progressive types were never going to vote for R anyway.

It's fun to see all the teeth-gnashing by Peggy Noonan et al. but it's nothing Romney hasn't said many times and eight different ways.

Rich guy outrage is already baked into the cake; the poll numbers are unlikely to shift, even if he appears at the debates dressed up like Mr Burns from the Simpsons.

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RE: The Romney tape: what effect do you think it will h... - 9/19/2012 6:17:47 AM   
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There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what.

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There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what.

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There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what.

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There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what.

Again, he's clearly talking about 47% of Democrat registered voters.

No he isnt, he says "Of the people", not "Of the Democrats"
P-E-O-P-L-E is a different word from D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T

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RE: The Romney tape: what effect do you think it will h... - 9/19/2012 6:55:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		If it was last year or months ago ,it woudn`t be as big a deal.

But folks are tuning in and listening now.The populice is paying attention and are making up their minds.

If this was his 1st or 2nd gaf  ,it woudn`t be as big a deal.But it`s been never ending with this guy.

As soon as a news cycle ends/begins.....Mitt adds a new mouth-dropper to his long list of gems ,filling out the next news cycle.The GOP is bewildered.

And if this was a dig at Palistinians or russians or the English,it woudn`t be as big a deal.

But was speaking about the folks who he wants to earn votes from.

The other reason I think this will stick, is that it hasn`t sunk in yet or had a chance to disapate.

Mitt was out early Monday trying to quash this vid....even before folks got to see it.But he was out so early that most folks missed his response,still being occupied with seeing the insulting video itself.

That,will take about a week and then it`ll take another week or so of Mitt looking defensive and mean and out of touch before the wave is over.This is allllll over Facebook .

The election is only six weeks away and there are only a few more news cycles left. 

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RE: The Romney tape: what effect do you think it will h... - 9/19/2012 7:00:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		He's even got some of those 47% republicans facepalming the shit out of themselves.

Even Homer Simpson can't loan him a DOH to climb out on top of this one.

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RE: The Romney tape: what effect do you think it will h... - 9/19/2012 7:02:27 AM   
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It will have a very slight (negative) impact on voting.

There are very few undecided voters this time around, and these comments are not controversial enough to shift many opinions. I live in a place that votes 95% republican and no one is bothered. Outraged progressive types were never going to vote for R anyway.

It's fun to see all the teeth-gnashing by Peggy Noonan et al. but it's nothing Romney hasn't said many times and eight different ways.

Rich guy outrage is already baked into the cake; the poll numbers are unlikely to shift, even if he appears at the debates dressed up like Mr Burns from the Simpsons.


Hilarious, Not controversial? What would be controversial......."there is 47% of you that are fucking blood sucking leaches that we'd be better off putting down. You people want the gov't to give you everything. While the rest of us work hard and are responsible and play by the rules.....Well I am sick of it. I can't bother about that 47%. I am only going to worry about the group that is just like me...."

Sounds controversial to me.....


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RE: The Romney tape: what effect do you think it will h... - 9/19/2012 7:10:17 AM   
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You can hear this viewpoint daily in the conservative media. Romney has said the same thing in various different ways in the past. Who's shocked that he thinks this?

If he had made a racial slur or secretly promised a tax cut to his audience, it would indeed be a game changer. But he didn't. It's just more of the same ol', same ol'. It won't shift many votes and certainly no states.

'Not interested in debating the merits of his stance, 'just answering the question posed by the OP.

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RE: The Romney tape: what effect do you think it will h... - 9/19/2012 7:23:11 AM   
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No he isnt, he says "Of the people", not "Of the Democrats"
P-E-O-P-L-E is a different word from D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T



who will vote for the president no matter what

Now who exactly are these people who vote for Democrats no matter what?
Are these fence sitting independents?
Perhaps they're the Ron Paul Libertarians.

Cmon Bill, the ignorance card ain't gonna fly, you're smarter than this.

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RE: The Romney tape: what effect do you think it will h... - 9/19/2012 7:33:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. And I mean, the president starts off with 48, 49, 48—he starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax.

Anyway you cut it, calling 47 percent of americans (whoever they may vote for) victims, has certainly not solidified any votes in that group, has it?

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RE: The Romney tape: what effect do you think it will h... - 9/19/2012 7:33:19 AM   
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Probably not as much of an effect as Obama's skin colour.

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RE: The Romney tape: what effect do you think it will h... - 9/19/2012 7:35:31 AM   
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There's speculation that Mitt's team has
given up on getting much help from swing
voters and are concentrating on driving
the base out instead. He's alienated two
rather large groups, women and Hispanics
and I can't see this speech helping him
with senior citizens so he's needing all
the haters to come out and support him.

I think this thing has put some stink
on him and he isn't handling it very
well. In political time November is still
a bit of ways off. The debates may
help settle some things. But if they
are as lackluster as last times they
may have little effect at all.

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