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mnottertail -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/4/2012 1:46:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail There are certain mechanical body requirements and realities. And they are 100% consistent with George's claim, with the currently known evidence. They are consistent with a claim, but not with physical-martial reality.

Raiikun -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/4/2012 3:26:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Which, of course, you'd have to believe that Trayvon Martin attacked George Zimmerman without provocation, which of course is laughable. So what was the provocation for this then? Kid sucker punching bus driver

Nosathro -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/4/2012 3:34:54 PM)
Oh by the way that video of Raiikun is NOT Martin, it was filmed in Kansas.

Raiikun -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/4/2012 3:38:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro Oh by the way that video of Raiikun is NOT Martin, it was filmed in Kansas. I didn't say it was.

Rule -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/4/2012 4:06:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun So what was the provocation for this then? Kid sucker punching bus driver That was an animal attacking a human being. I do hope that the females over there recognize that he is an animal and choose to not have him father their children.

farglebargle -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/4/2012 4:45:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle how exactly is he going to be doing these three things simultaneously. He never said it was simultaneous. We know the ordeal lasted at least 40 seconds, during which there was plenty of time for George's head to be smacked on the ground at some point, for Trayvon to cover his nose and mouth at some point, etc. He had a broken nose, then his mouth and nose covered? Man, that had to be some intense pain. All you ladies and gents who are casting doubt on the logistics . . . what is your alternative theory? Martin stood up and George jumped up and killed him? What are you sayin? You start with the knowledge that George Zimmerman lies often enough to get into trouble with his own lawyers and the court. Starting from there, you examine George Zimmerman's claims that he was attacked without provocation. Since the only person suggesting that to be the case is a known liar, George Zimmerman, we move on to the hypothesis that George Zimmerman, in fact, provoked the entire incident, perhaps by attempting to unlawfully detain Trayvon Martin at gunpoint. Which is a lot more likely than the fairy-tales Zimmerman's been telling. Credibility. It counts.

Raiikun -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/4/2012 4:57:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle You start with the knowledge that George Zimmerman lies often enough to get into trouble with his own lawyers and the court. You start with the fact that this lie doesn't exist and...ooops, the rest falls apart.

tazzygirl -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/4/2012 4:58:26 PM)
A lie by omission is still a lie.

Raiikun -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/4/2012 5:00:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl A lie by omission is still a lie. He didn't even testify on the subject to give a lie by omission. And after listening to jailcall 30 where George talks about telling O'Mara about the money before the bond hearing...there's zero proof that there was any intent to deceive the court.

Rule -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/4/2012 5:04:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle You start with the knowledge that George Zimmerman lies often enough to get into trouble with his own lawyers and the court. I never took into consideration anything that Zimmerman said when I made my judgment that he acted in self-defence. I suggest that you do the same.

Raiikun -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/4/2012 5:08:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle You start with the knowledge that George Zimmerman lies often enough to get into trouble with his own lawyers and the court. I never took into consideration anything that Zimmerman said when I made my judgment that he acted in self-defence. I suggest that you do the same. Pretty much same here. My stance from the beginning has been that anyone in that situation would want to make themselves look in the best light, so I look at only statements that are corroborated by evidence. (Which is a higher standard than in Florida; which is pretty explicit that if the evidence doesn't outright prove the defense's theory to be impossible the defendant must be acquitted no matter how guilty the evidence makes him look). Witnesses say the fight took place where George said it did; he had the broken nose, black eyes, swelling on all sides of the head, lacerations, etc; the fight moved south from where it started like George said it did; George says someone came out of a house and he screamed at him for help; that witness corroborates that... ...and there's still no evidence to prove George wrong.

tazzygirl -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/4/2012 5:11:17 PM)
A lie by omission is still a lie.

Raiikun -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/4/2012 5:12:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl A lie by omission is still a lie. He didn't even testify on the subject to give a lie by omission.

Raiikun -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/4/2012 5:15:56 PM)
And the evidence shows that this was a misunderstanding between George and O'Mara. A misunderstanding that once figured out, was responded with: George surrendering all of the money voluntarily and O'Mara bringing it to the court's attention right away.

tazzygirl -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/4/2012 5:18:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl A lie by omission is still a lie. He didn't even testify on the subject to give a lie by omission. Dude, thats the omission part. He sat there and listened while everyone else lied.

Raiikun -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/4/2012 5:24:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl A lie by omission is still a lie. He didn't even testify on the subject to give a lie by omission. Dude, thats the omission part. He sat there and listened while everyone else lied. Dude, that's the misunderstanding part. It's normal for defendants to be instructed to remain silent and still, not react, etc. And again, there's the evidence that George tried to transfer money to O'Mara and told O'Mara about it, and O'Mara told him that the money didn't matter, since George would be unable to work or support himself or his family, etc, and that he'd file for indigence anyways. A lie is an intent to deceive. This looks like a misunderstanding. George tells O'Mara about money beforehand. O'Mara misunderstands George and says it doesn't matter. George thus thinks the bond hearing was all done how O'Mara intended. George gets out of jail and asks O'Mara what he should do with the money the following week. O'Mara says he needs to turn it all in, George does so, and O'Mara informs the court. Yeah, such devious trickers George and O'Mara are...to lie to hide the money and then tell the court about it!

tazzygirl -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/4/2012 5:35:53 PM)
According to the transcripts with the wife, there was no "misunderstanding".. and George sat there and listened as she lied to the court. All the tapes reveal is that O'Mara may have known about the 37K attempt to transfer funds... Zimmerman says on the call that he didnt know about the rest. A legal defense fund is just that. Why would O'Mara have reason to believe more than 37K was in there? Why would O'Mara believe the wife had already transferred out more? George told the Lawyer he couldnt get the 37.. did He tell his lawyer he got other transfers? quote: Records show that in the days before an April bond hearing for her husband, Shellie Zimmerman, 25, transferred $74,000 in eight smaller amounts ranging from $7,500 to $9,990, from her husband's credit union account to hers, according to an arrest affidavit. It also shows that $47,000 was transferred from George Zimmerman's account to his sister's in the days before the bond hearing. The "misunderstanding" was not on George's part... he knew good and well how much money was in there and that he was no indigent according to the questions asked of his wife. A lie by omission is still a lie.

Raiikun -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/4/2012 5:37:03 PM)
No proof of a lie by omission even, as pointed out. Feigning attempts at mind reading does not make a convincing argument otherwise.

Raiikun -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/4/2012 5:47:19 PM)
And here is a lengthy essay about the subject, that originally I thought was stretching at some points, until it became public that George did try and transfer 37k to O'Mara and was told not to worry about the website funds. (This article was written prior to those jail calls being made public.

tazzygirl -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/4/2012 6:07:11 PM)
George knew O'Mara didnt know about the rest... he admitted as much. 37K for someone who isnt working going into a fund is a whole lot different than 200K. For George's sake, he needs to stick with just the Judge at trial.

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