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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

Of course, there's no proof so far in this case of George "starting anything" beyond simply trying to get police involved.

I did much the same once. I saw a guy running out of a Wal-Mart carrying a TV he had just stolen. I stepped out of the building, walked the 40 feet or so to get around the corner to observe where he was running to as I contacted the police to let them know where he ran. Because the guy was running I had no expectation that I would end up running into him; much like I doubt George had that expectation when Trayvon ran.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

What happens when you are breathing hard
You breathe thru your mouth.


and flat on your back with a broken nose? (cracked septum at best btw)
You breathe thru your mouth.

Lots of blood runs down your throat and into your windpipe.
Not lots at all, but down your throat till your sinuses swell, and block the flow (about 20 seconds)

Isn't the technicalterm for that drowning in your own blood?
NOT the way you got it. 

but you would drown in your own blood if it filled your lungs, which a broken nose wont do.   In fact one of the reasons you have to go to a doctor for a broken nose is to insure that it doesent deform your sinuses permanantly, there is buchu pressure in there, but no outlet.  (thats the internal part) the external bleeding is due to the multitude of small vessels in the outer parts of your nose, and if you feel in your mouth upper lip where that bit of skin is, under there is the vein that feeds it, and you can suck down on like a wad of toilet papter and stop that blood, (or you can press hard with your finger and you will feel your nose go strange).... 

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

Of course, there's no proof so far in this case of George "starting anything" beyond simply trying to get police involved.

I did much the same once. I saw a guy running out of a Wal-Mart carrying a TV he had just stolen. I stepped out of the building, walked the 40 feet or so to get around the corner to observe where he was running to as I contacted the police to let them know where he ran. Because the guy was running I had no expectation that I would end up running into him; much like I doubt George had that expectation when Trayvon ran.

So, your  'Observe and Report' thingie happened absolutely nothing like in the Martin Zimmerman case then.

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

Of course, there's no proof so far in this case of George "starting anything" beyond simply trying to get police involved.

I did much the same once. I saw a guy running out of a Wal-Mart carrying a TV he had just stolen. I stepped out of the building, walked the 40 feet or so to get around the corner to observe where he was running to as I contacted the police to let them know where he ran. Because the guy was running I had no expectation that I would end up running into him; much like I doubt George had that expectation when Trayvon ran.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Really?

Dispatcher: Are you following him? (meaning Martin)

Zimmerman: Yeah

Sure sounds like Zimmerman was trying to meet Martin.....

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No it doesn't.

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

Of course, there's no proof so far in this case of George "starting anything" beyond simply trying to get police involved.

I did much the same once. I saw a guy running out of a Wal-Mart carrying a TV he had just stolen. I stepped out of the building, walked the 40 feet or so to get around the corner to observe where he was running to as I contacted the police to let them know where he ran. Because the guy was running I had no expectation that I would end up running into him; much like I doubt George had that expectation when Trayvon ran.

So, your  'Observe and Report' thingie happened absolutely nothing like in the Martin Zimmerman case then.

Yeah, unlike Trayvon this guy didn't turn around and punch me in the nose.

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

Of course, there's no proof so far in this case of George "starting anything" beyond simply trying to get police involved.

I did much the same once. I saw a guy running out of a Wal-Mart carrying a TV he had just stolen. I stepped out of the building, walked the 40 feet or so to get around the corner to observe where he was running to as I contacted the police to let them know where he ran. Because the guy was running I had no expectation that I would end up running into him; much like I doubt George had that expectation when Trayvon ran.

So, your  'Observe and Report' thingie happened absolutely nothing like in the Martin Zimmerman case then.

Yeah, unlike Trayvon this guy didn't turn around and punch me in the nose.

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

Wrong again.

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

Of course, there's no proof so far in this case of George "starting anything" beyond simply trying to get police involved.

I did much the same once. I saw a guy running out of a Wal-Mart carrying a TV he had just stolen. I stepped out of the building, walked the 40 feet or so to get around the corner to observe where he was running to as I contacted the police to let them know where he ran. Because the guy was running I had no expectation that I would end up running into him; much like I doubt George had that expectation when Trayvon ran.

So, your  'Observe and Report' thingie happened absolutely nothing like in the Martin Zimmerman case then.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Now look who is speculating...no proof Trayvon punched Zimmerman in the nose

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ORIGINAL: igor2003

But if you had tried to detain that guy for the police would him trying to punch you in the nose have been a surprise?

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

The 'reasonable doubt' is that the injury was in any way actually threatening, and that George ( once again that evening ) overreacted, but instead of just acting like a total douchebag this time, his overreaction ended up killing an innocent kid.

That's the key here. GEORGES PERCEPTIONS AREN'T REASONABLE.

What is the root cause of George's unreasonable beliefs? Who cares? It's GEORGE'S RESPONSIBILITY to ensure the medicine he's taking doesn't make him dangerous to the public or whatever. Maybe George isn't guilty due to insanity? FWIW, if I was O'Mara, ( given George's lack of candor with him ) I'd wonder if that's not a better strategy.

Lie on your back let someone start beating on you while you are drowning in your own blood then tell us what is reasonable.

Stretching that a bit far arent you? Drowning in your own blood?

What happens when you are breathing hard and flat on your back with a broken nose?
Lots of blood runs down your throat and into your windpipe.
Isn't the technicalterm for that drowning in your own blood?

You have medical proof that is what happen to Zimmerman....NOPE In fact the EMT did not report that happening either.... in fact witnesses say Zimmerman was walking around...can you walk and drown at the same time...I don't think so. I will even go as far as to say there is no proof it was blood, no test to prove it...could have been Zimmerman, could have been Martin..(Okay I just got a mental picture of that one), could have been road kill, could have been ketcup for all anyone knows..

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

What happens when you are breathing hard
You breathe thru your mouth.


and flat on your back with a broken nose? (cracked septum at best btw)
You breathe thru your mouth.

Lots of blood runs down your throat and into your windpipe.
Not lots at all, but down your throat till your sinuses swell, and block the flow (about 20 seconds)

Isn't the technicalterm for that drowning in your own blood?
NOT the way you got it. 

but you would drown in your own blood if it filled your lungs, which a broken nose wont do.   In fact one of the reasons you have to go to a doctor for a broken nose is to insure that it doesent deform your sinuses permanantly, there is buchu pressure in there, but no outlet.  (thats the internal part) the external bleeding is due to the multitude of small vessels in the outer parts of your nose, and if you feel in your mouth upper lip where that bit of skin is, under there is the vein that feeds it, and you can suck down on like a wad of toilet papter and stop that blood, (or you can press hard with your finger and you will feel your nose go strange).... 

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No but once you stand up the blood flow changes, as your breathing slows it gets undercontrol and when you get the bleeding stopped things get better

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

"The defense was unwilling to schedule depositions of those witnesses until the defense had obtained all their statements, including the drawings they had previously made. The drawings were finally included in the 7th discovery exhibit filed on August 24, 2012 which included a drawing prepared by Witness Six that clearly shows that he saw Trayvon Martin on top of George Zimmerman on the concrete sidewalk right where George Zimmerman said he was when Trayvon Martin bashed his head into the concrete. This is powerful exculpatory evidence that was withheld from the defense (and from the Court) that the state had for five months before it was provided to the defense-- and then only after repeated requests."

Excert from Defense's motion