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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/15/2012 5:40:09 PM   
farglebargle


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Status: offline 		If the defense isn't going to enter something into evidence, and therefore there no reason for the prosecution to rebut, is there any need to disclose in discovery?

Last time I checked, unless the Defense enters evidence, it's irrelevant to the proceedings.

If O'Mara has any hypotheses other than those advanced by the Prosecution, isn't it HIS RESPONSIBILITY to collect the evidence to support his hypothesis?

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/15/2012 6:01:57 PM   
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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/15/2012 6:37:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Yeah, my understanding is he was packing to buy a carton of milk at the grocery store.


And why, since Zimmerman was TRAINED TO NEVER FOLLOW ANYONE, he chose to do exactly that.

There's noting wrong with carrying a firearm. There's a whole lot wrong performing NW functions while armed, and a whole lot of wrong with ever leaving a place of safety to.. What was it again? Figure out what street he was on?

DISPATCHER: ARE YOU FOLLOWING HIM?

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN: YEAH

< Message edited by farglebargle -- 10/15/2012 6:47:08 PM >

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/15/2012 7:04:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

And why, since Zimmerman was TRAINED TO NEVER FOLLOW ANYONE, he chose to do exactly that. 7



There's no proof that even happened, as demonstrated pages ago.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/15/2012 7:16:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would consider George Zimmerman's clear response to a direct question to be 'evidence', so I'm unsure of what you're referring to.

DISPATCHER: ARE YOU FOLLOWING HIM?

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN: YEAH

< Message edited by farglebargle -- 10/15/2012 7:19:03 PM >

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/15/2012 7:54:49 PM   
Raiikun


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Status: offline 		If you'll see, I quoted the part about George being specifically trained not to follow.

There's no real evidence this training occurred.

When questioned Wendy didn't say whether she brought up following in her presentation. She didn't say if any resident of The Retreat at Twin Lakes asked a question about it. She didn't say whether she explicitly discouraged following. She didn't say if she told the people that observing was not to include changing positions to keep a suspect in sight. She didn't cite any NHW program materials on the subject.

When one of the investigators brought up following, he folded it into a three part question. The other two were issues Dorival had previously addressed, firearms and confronting. After answering "No" to the three part question, Dorival chose confronting as the issue to talk about more, and previously in response to being asked about firearms she said it didn't come up at the Retreat meeting, but that her standard answer was "“My advice to them was, you have every right to have any weapon you want, that’s your constitutional right, but just remember that same weapon can be used against you and you don’t know what consequences that weapon will bring to you…that’s my standard answer”.

Following was never explicitly mentioned in any of the NHW materials, etc.

So no, there is no evidence that George was specifically trained to never follow as you've continued to claim, even after this was pointed out before.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/15/2012 8:11:07 PM   
farglebargle


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Status: offline 		SANFORD PD NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH GUIDE:

PAGE 3: ( original is bolded )


What you will not do is get physically involved with any activity you report or apprehension of any suspicious persons. This is the job of the law enforcement agency.

http://axiomamnesia.com/TrayvonMartinFiles/NWProgramHandbook.pdf

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/15/2012 8:17:24 PM   
farglebargle


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Status: offline 		Here's another rule Zimmerman violated: ( p15)

you have a responsibility to:
1. Learn your neighbor's names, including all occupants of their residences. Be able to recognize them and their vehicles without any hesitation.


10. Remember always that your responsibility is to report crime. Do not take any risks to prevent a crime or try to make an arrest. The responsibility for apprehending criminals belongs to the police department.

And if Zimmerman did his duty, he'd have compiled a 'block map'. I wonder if that's been seized and entered into evidence. You know, because if he had reason to KNOW where he was, the whole "I needed to find out where I was" story is proven false.

< Message edited by farglebargle -- 10/15/2012 8:21:10 PM >

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/15/2012 8:21:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just look at all the UNREASONABLE things Zimmerman chose to do. With all those poor choices, it's clear to see he make another bad call when he chose to kill Trayvon Martin.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/15/2012 8:29:27 PM   
Raiikun


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Status: offline 		And look, as said, nothing in there about following.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/15/2012 9:06:37 PM   
farglebargle


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Status: offline 		What part of "Watch and Report" involves "Following", especially given Zimmerman's prior expression of fear?

If Zimmerman was afraid of Martin WHILE SITTING IN HIS CAR, why would he ever leave his car KNOWING THE POLICE WERE ON THEIR WAY???

It just doesn't make any sense. Of course, nothing Zimmerman says makes sense. Such as why Trayvon Martin would heva every attacked him unprovoked.

Which brings us back to the SANFORD PD NW MANUAL. Zimmerman had a POSITIVE DUTY to know that Trayvon Martin was a guest of a resident. His NEGLIGENCE OF THAT DUTY is directly responsible for his incorrect decisions.

If Zimmerman had DONE HIS JOB AS NW LEADER, he would have KNOWN TRAYVON MARTIN BELONGED THERE.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/15/2012 9:41:37 PM   
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< Message edited by tazzygirl -- 10/15/2012 9:42:00 PM >

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/16/2012 12:21:23 AM   
Raiikun


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

What part of "Watch and Report" involves "Following", especially given Zimmerman's prior expression of fear?


Keeping someone in sight does make "Watching" more manageable. It only takes a bit of objective logic to see that maybe perhaps Zimmerman's prior fear subsided a bit at the moment Trayvon was running away thus leading to Zimmerman not expecting to run into him.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/16/2012 12:22:45 AM   
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Why was Z even suspicious of Martin to begin with?


Maybe because he looked suspicious. Just a guess.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/16/2012 2:23:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
Just look at all the UNREASONABLE things Zimmerman chose to do.

I discern a vocation in you to tell Zimmerman what is reasonable. I recommend that you marry him to better practise this your vocation.

quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle
With all those poor choices, it's clear to see he make another bad call when he chose to kill Trayvon Martin.

There is no evidence that Zimmerman chose to kill Martin.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/16/2012 3:12:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Raiikun


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Why was Z even suspicious of Martin to begin with?


Maybe because he looked suspicious. Just a guess.



Uh huh.... people look suspicious for a reason.

quote:

We’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there’s a real suspicious guy. It’s Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle.

This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around looking about. [00:25]

911 dispatcher:

OK, is he White, Black, or Hispanic?

Zimmerman:

He looks black.


Its raining, its dark, he cant tell exactly what color Martin is, but he can tell Martin is on drugs or something.

I hope this trial is televised.. lol



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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/16/2012 3:19:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Its raining, its dark, he cant tell exactly what color Martin is, but he can tell Martin is on drugs or something.



I know several friends in law enforcement who say judging by how Martin was walking in the 7-11 they would have suspected he was on drugs or something too. So nothing odd about that.


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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/16/2012 3:20:57 AM   
Raiikun


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Uh huh.... people look suspicious for a reason.


No reason to make this assumption. Suspicion is subjective.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/16/2012 3:26:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Raiikun


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Its raining, its dark, he cant tell exactly what color Martin is, but he can tell Martin is on drugs or something.



I know several friends in law enforcement who say judging by how Martin was walking in the 7-11 they would have suspected he was on drugs or something too. So nothing odd about that.





LOL... And I enjoy walking in the rain and looking around. Wow, I must be on drugs then too huh.

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RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case - 10/16/2012 3:29:29 AM   
Raiikun


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: Raiikun


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Its raining, its dark, he cant tell exactly what color Martin is, but he can tell Martin is on drugs or something.



I know several friends in law enforcement who say judging by how Martin was walking in the 7-11 they would have suspected he was on drugs or something too. So nothing odd about that.





LOL... And I enjoy walking in the rain and looking around. Wow, I must be on drugs then too huh.


The video I was referring to was not in the rain, so eh.

Anyways, who cares. He saw someone he thought looked suspicious and did what he was supposed to do: call the authorities.

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