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RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/24/2012 4:48:55 PM   
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It would be perfectly acceptable to have a contract which details that a slave (although of course he/she could not be referred to as a slave in the contract) is responsible for domestic duties, and that his/her Master is responsible for food and shelter. Any reference to sex or kink would be unenforceable, though, and any reference to specific physical punishments would be out.

And since you would be trading "room & board" for services, you would be expected to pay employment taxes/SSI/Medicare.


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RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/24/2012 5:31:40 PM   
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Slavery is abolished in most places in the world. That's why everyone is saying you won't find legal support for it. If you really want, you might find a place with a loose decentralized government, say in Africa, and vanish as a slave. Is that what you really want?

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RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/24/2012 5:35:10 PM   
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In the United States, you can not accept being battered except if playing a contact sport. And if you propose to do that, either you or a legal guardian must sign a waiver agreeing to the possibility of harm. Call your attorney and ask about local laws.


Does anyone else find it interesting that this is the one exception that we have in our society? I don't know why but it makes me laugh. Truly.



That's actually an interesting point. Why isn't BDSM play grouped with other kinds of play/sports (such as wrestling)? Injuries would then be considered an acceptable and expected part of the game, and the consenting adults engaging in those activities wouldn't be criminalized. I can see this as a logical next step in sexual liberation. After all, ass sex used to be illegal in several states until 2003.


Excellent, yes, BDSM as sport. As long as they don't insist we sell tickets and hot dogs.....


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RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/24/2012 6:14:00 PM   
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Excellent, yes, BDSM as sport. As long as they don't insist we sell tickets and hot dogs.....


Pinch hitters...?


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RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/24/2012 9:23:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, thanks to all of you by your comments. And legalor illegal if somedody wants that I'd sign a contract of slavery

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RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/25/2012 5:04:25 AM   
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In the West, no contract explicitly eliminating personal freedoms would be enforceable. There are many restrictions in contract law, not only with such sensitive issues. For example, in many countries, you cannot employ someone for an unlimited time under a clause saying "I can fire you any time I want without giving a reason".

However, women have the option to move to certain muslim countries and convert to give up some personal freedoms (by marrying). Men don't seem to have that choice - how unfair!

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RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/25/2012 7:28:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Cautiously written documents of consensual submission are not contraband. They are legal to have, but not court enforceable. This is as it ought be, because (contact or not) BDSM bottoms (or tops for that matter) never eviscerate a faint possibility of walking away, at the cost of forfeiting the relationship. But promises are strengthened by writing. There are even legal advantages to writing, for some personalities:

1. Persons whose intentions are stellar, but whose memories tend to stray or be unreliable or have a problem with casual lying. Keeping visible commitments can be great feedback reference for both parties. Sound familiar?
2. Persons with a history of (false?) accusations against lovers, either should abandon BDSM altogether, or reenter with evidence of consent. Written promises, though not obligatory, are nonetheless a fair, piece of evidence that consent was present. A polite approach.

Even under laws of chattel, marking did not constitute the legal obligation, only EVIDENCE of something more. In this odd way, contracts are somewhat like marking, and not to be marginalized.

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RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/25/2012 2:29:20 PM   
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The slavery is illegal, you can't buy and sale slaves.. but you are free to live in slavery!!.. Can you sign a private contract of slavery accepting to be treated just like a slave including corporal punishment? Is it legal and possible??. Thanks




No.

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RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/25/2012 3:10:12 PM   
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It would be perfectly acceptable to have a contract which details that a slave (although of course he/she could not be referred to as a slave in the contract) is responsible for domestic duties, and that his/her Master is responsible for food and shelter. Any reference to sex or kink would be unenforceable, though, and any reference to specific physical punishments would be out.

And since you would be trading "room & board" for services, you would be expected to pay employment taxes/SSI/Medicare.

And you'd be bound by landlord laws.
One of which is that you can't right out evict her if things go South...


As for the 90% illegal thing, technically telling her, "I'm gonna whale on your ass tonight," is assault and any contact can be construed as assault AND battery (Assault is threatening physical harm such that the person has a reasonable fear of damage, Battery is actually making contact)
And keeping her in extended bondage, she could say she was being held against her will.
So yeah , look at BDSM through the right (or wrong) lens, and lots and lots of TTTWD is illegal.

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RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/25/2012 9:14:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

It would be perfectly acceptable to have a contract which details that a slave (although of course he/she could not be referred to as a slave in the contract) is responsible for domestic duties, and that his/her Master is responsible for food and shelter. Any reference to sex or kink would be unenforceable, though, and any reference to specific physical punishments would be out.

And since you would be trading "room & board" for services, you would be expected to pay employment taxes/SSI/Medicare.



Only if they're considered a domestic worker. In which case, some quick googling tells me that they'd be covered under the FLSA, and would have to get paid at least minimum wage for all hours worked. Also, I'm sure all labor laws would then apply - so the sub could sue you for sexual harassment or workman's comp.

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RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/25/2012 11:41:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		How much of the bullshit these posters have given you have you actually read? These cunts and pussys have moved on to subjects like social security, landlord rights, I mean, what the fuck?

They are about as real as martians. I'm real. I have a real small dick. You are handsome, a nice moustache, and probably a bigger dick than me.

Come be my slave. I'll flip the finger to fucking laws, administrators, and everyone on this board. I'll have you doing shit for me that will make you wonder if the South really lost the fucking war.

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RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/26/2012 8:18:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


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It would be perfectly acceptable to have a contract which details that a slave (although of course he/she could not be referred to as a slave in the contract) is responsible for domestic duties, and that his/her Master is responsible for food and shelter. Any reference to sex or kink would be unenforceable, though, and any reference to specific physical punishments would be out.

And since you would be trading "room & board" for services, you would be expected to pay employment taxes/SSI/Medicare.



Only if they're considered a domestic worker. In which case, some quick googling tells me that they'd be covered under the FLSA, and would have to get paid at least minimum wage for all hours worked. Also, I'm sure all labor laws would then apply - so the sub could sue you for sexual harassment or workman's comp.


The OP was asking about a legal contract. DS specifically said "is responsible for domestic duties, and that his/her Master is responsible for food and shelter". That pretty much defines "domestic worker".

I believe it was Kaliko who said that she had a "work in exchange for room and board situation" at a yoga studio and said that the provider of the room and board had to pay employment taxes.

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RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/26/2012 8:52:02 AM   
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How much of the bullshit these posters have given you have you actually read? These cunts and pussys have moved on to subjects like social security, landlord rights, I mean, what the fuck?

They are about as real as martians. I'm real. I have a real small dick. You are handsome, a nice moustache, and probably a bigger dick than me.

Come be my slave. I'll flip the finger to fucking laws, administrators, and everyone on this board. I'll have you doing shit for me that will make you wonder if the South really lost the fucking war.


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RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/26/2012 12:25:08 PM   
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I'd no idea they had the internet on the planet jackass!

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RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/26/2012 2:50:11 PM   
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How much of the bullshit these posters have given you have you actually read? These cunts and pussys have moved on to subjects like social security, landlord rights, I mean, what the fuck?

They are about as real as martians. I'm real. I have a real small dick. You are handsome, a nice moustache, and probably a bigger dick than me.

Come be my slave. I'll flip the finger to fucking laws, administrators, and everyone on this board. I'll have you doing shit for me that will make you wonder if the South really lost the fucking war.



Well, aren't you a special snowflake.

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RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/26/2012 7:35:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		As an attorney, I can assure you that slavery is not legal in the USA, especially after the Federal Civil Rights Acts, of '64 and '65. The contract is void ab initio. However, never say never, and never say always.
As the GC of a Fortune 100 Company for 30 yrs. I believe you could massage the slave contract into a "Personal Services Contract" much like ball players, for a renuable, short term number of years. Especially, since foreign citizens, companies, trade rules and regulation are now becoming the "Supreme Law of the Land".

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RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/26/2012 7:41:46 PM   
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The OP was asking about a legal contract. DS specifically said "is responsible for domestic duties, and that his/her Master is responsible for food and shelter". That pretty much defines "domestic worker".

I believe it was Kaliko who said that she had a "work in exchange for room and board situation" at a yoga studio and said that the provider of the room and board had to pay employment taxes.


That was me, and yes, the yoga center had to calculate the value of the room and board, call it a salary, and pay taxes based on that.

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RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/26/2012 7:47:09 PM   
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RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/26/2012 9:09:24 PM   
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As an attorney, I can assure you that slavery is not legal in the USA, especially after the Federal Civil Rights Acts, of '64 and '65. The contract is void ab initio. However, never say never, and never say always.
As the GC of a Fortune 100 Company for 30 yrs. I believe you could massage the slave contract into a "Personal Services Contract" much like ball players, for a renuable, short term number of years. Especially, since foreign citizens, companies, trade rules and regulation are now becoming the "Supreme Law of the Land".

A friend was trying to "massage" a slave contract into "caretaker of a certain property."  That is, the caretaker (the slave) would follow the instructions of the owner of the property (the Master.)

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RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? - 9/27/2012 7:05:10 AM   
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The caretaker or guardianship contracts were the approach I have seen taken in the past. If you take guardianship it gets tricky and depends what state you are in. Long ago, while involved in the adult entertainment industry, I studied the sex, pandering and porn laws in Michigan. Did you know it was a 20 year felony to marry someone with the intent to have sex with them? Talk about a woman's state... jeeez. You can't even “intend to have sex” with your future bride in Michigan.

I sorta' cringe when I see people sign paperwork documenting their intent to assault someone or commit sexual abuse. Most of what we do in BDSM is very illegal. There is a nightmarish long list of voluntary BDSM participants that did not press charges but the prosecutor pressed assault and/or sex abuse charges on behalf of the state.

I recently took property myself (samdarella) and I am putting together a contract. I weighed the differences in bilateral verses unilateral contracts. I don't want service (unilateral), I want a life partner (bilateral), a family member. So I have been looking at modifying a Cohabitation Agreement. Like a marriage contract, it is legally binding.

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