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angelmaleslave -> Is a private contract of slavery legal? (9/23/2012 10:38:47 PM)

The slavery is illegal, you can't buy and sale slaves.. but you are free to live in slavery!!.. Can you sign a private contract of slavery accepting to be treated just like a slave including corporal punishment? Is it legal and possible??. Thanks





AthenaSurrenders -> RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? (9/23/2012 10:46:11 PM)

no.




angelmaleslave -> RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? (9/23/2012 10:57:13 PM)

Are you sure?




Aderious511 -> RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? (9/23/2012 10:59:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: angelmaleslave

Are you sure?

Yes.

Nearly 100% of what goes on in BDSM is illegal. You do not have the legal capacity to consent to such acts, regardless of how much you may want to.




angelmaleslave -> RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? (9/23/2012 11:00:49 PM)

Thanks




BitaTruble -> RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? (9/23/2012 11:07:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: angelmaleslave

The slavery is illegal, you can't buy and sale slaves.. but you are free to live in slavery!!.. Can you sign a private contract of slavery accepting to be treated just like a slave including corporal punishment?


I don't know what your local laws are in Madrid. In America, you can sign anything you like.

quote:

Is it legal and possible??. Thanks


Again, check your local laws.

For me, I don't care whether it's legal or not. I would be a hypocrite if I used legality to shape my life when there are laws that I do break whether intentional or in ignorance. If you already have compatible partners or find one or some, it's not the law that's going to bind you together.




littlewonder -> RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? (9/23/2012 11:10:46 PM)

legally? No

a contract within a bdsm relationship? Sure, but you will never be able to have it be a legal contract. A judge would laugh you out of his/her courtroom.

ETA: In Madrid? I have no idea but here in the U.S., no.




Alecta -> RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? (9/23/2012 11:25:45 PM)

Legal can be defined in two ways: "Will you get arrested for signing a slave contract?" and "Will the law enforce your contract?" Please be specific as to which one you mean.

Then look it up for your country of residence because every government has different laws.




crazyml -> RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? (9/24/2012 12:01:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Aderious511
Nearly 100% of what goes on in BDSM is illegal.



What the fuck?

Don't be ridiculous. Some aspects of BDSM are illegal, but it's nothing like "nearly 100%"




angelmaleslave -> RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? (9/24/2012 12:02:10 AM)

Here un Spain is completely illegal, but I thought that is possible in USA




crazyml -> RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? (9/24/2012 12:04:44 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: angelmaleslave

The slavery is illegal, you can't buy and sale slaves.. but you are free to live in slavery!!.. Can you sign a private contract of slavery accepting to be treated just like a slave including corporal punishment? Is it legal and possible??. Thanks




You can't sign a contract that includes corporal punishment, because c/p is illegal.

I suppose you could sign a contract that covered other aspects of the relationship, it would effectively be an employment contract. You could commit to provide domestic services, provided that you received something of value in exchange (lodging, a small financial fee). But you'd need to make sure that you didn't fall foul of minimum wage legislation, that the "owner" paid the necessary employment taxes.

But, I suspect that this kind of arrangement isn't what you're after.




Alecta -> RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? (9/24/2012 12:25:43 AM)

In the USA you can sign anything and not get in trouble. BUT the law will not support any agreements for committing a crime,meaning the piece of paper you signed is actually worthless and doesn't mean anything.

SO. If you signed a slave contract, then RAN AWAY, your US Master will not be able to go to the police and say "My slave ran away, please go catch him for me", and if you decide to sue your Master for being your Master, and claim that he used and abused you against your will, you will most likely win and the slave contract you signed will not be of any help to your Master whatsoever.




shivermetimbers -> RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? (9/24/2012 12:49:47 AM)

Don't listen to all the know it alls that will say anything from "no" to "no" with a shitload of legal speak because they are lawyers or wannbe lawyers.

You can do anything you want, and you can make it legal. In fact, if you have a dick someone may want, you can write that away.

Do you have a big dick? I want to be a sadistic dominant, and seeing as I'm ugly as hell, I'm thinking having a bunch of money and/or a ginormous cock would help get me some young, beautiful/ sexy starved bitches to be mine.

The cunts and pussies on this site will fill your head full of bullshit. In fact, they are too much of a cunt or pussy to use the words cunt and pussy. I know you can have whatever you want. You want to be a slave, I want a big dick, and to be rich.

Do you have a big dick? No one wants a slave with a big dick, it's kind of like being an economics teacher to a student who already has a multibillion dollar business. I want a big dick. Will it to me, I was first in line for sure. And if you happen to have a shit load of money, I'm a money dominant. True slaves don't care who their money goes too, but in the event of a tie, it should go to small dicked wannabe dominants like me.

You are handsome btw. Can I have your moustache too?




tazzygirl -> RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? (9/24/2012 4:25:54 AM)

BDSM contracts and the law

BDSM Contracts may not be binding in the United States, but may serve as evidence of the parties' knowledge/intent, awareness and waiver of risks, and more, in courts of law.[1] For example, if a contract specifically states what a dominant has consent to do, and/or that a dominant may not permanently disfigure or scarify the submissive, it would allow a jury to differentiate between the acts which have been consented to and the disfigurement/scarification which have not, and impose a judgment accordingly.

Per one attorney specializing in BDSM issues, "consent" is a legitimate defense to assault in "most places"[1] but, given the legal precedent of the U.K.'s Operation Spanner case, consent might not be a valid defence in the United Kingdom (but the U.K.'s case law after Operation Spanner is unclear, and exonerations may occur possibly depending on the specific "extreme sex" act, whether injury was due to recklessness [exonerations occurred] or "unpredictably dangerous" [conviction occurred as this phrase was used by a judge to describe the sexual activity], or even whether the participants are married or at least heterosexual[2]. In the U.K., even the one who consented to BDSM activities has been convicted for aiding and abetting in the "assault" upon himself in one homosexual case,[1] but in other (heterosexual) cases, the alleged victims were not even arrested for consenting to the "assaults".[3]

In areas of the world where BDSM activities are illegal, contracts brought to light can be used to prosecute those involved in the BDSM lifestyle. In some countries consent is not a defense to assault, and a BDSM contract which gives consent may not protect a dominant from being charged with criminal activity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract_(BDSM)

Just to clear up a few things




DarkSteven -> RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? (9/24/2012 4:57:05 AM)

Actually, the answer hinges on the differences between a vanilla contract and a BDSM one. It would be perfectly acceptable to have a contract which details that a slave (although of course he/she could not be referred to as a slave in the contract) is responsible for domestic duties, and that his/her Master is responsible for food and shelter. Any reference to sex or kink would be unenforceable, though, and any reference to specific physical punishments would be out.

We have a written contract somewhere, which originally stated things like my sub not being allowed to talk down anyone in the house (specifically written to prevent her self-denigrating). It was never written as a legal document - it was simply something to get down on paper what was expected of her, and to provide a starting point.

If any sub/slave did opt to leave, and their former Master tried to go to the courts to enforce the document, he or she would be laughed out of court and the local community as well.




graceadieu -> RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? (9/24/2012 10:02:56 AM)

You can write a contract however you like, but I highly doubt it'll be enforceable in court.




DesFIP -> RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? (9/24/2012 4:12:34 PM)

In the United States, you can not accept being battered except if playing a contact sport. And if you propose to do that, either you or a legal guardian must sign a waiver agreeing to the possibility of harm. Call your attorney and ask about local laws.




fucktoyprincess -> RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? (9/24/2012 4:24:57 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

In the United States, you can not accept being battered except if playing a contact sport. And if you propose to do that, either you or a legal guardian must sign a waiver agreeing to the possibility of harm. Call your attorney and ask about local laws.


Does anyone else find it interesting that this is the one exception that we have in our society? I don't know why but it makes me laugh. Truly.




VideoAdminGamma -> RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? (9/24/2012 4:32:24 PM)

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Baroana -> RE: Is a private contract of slavery legal? (9/24/2012 4:47:01 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

In the United States, you can not accept being battered except if playing a contact sport. And if you propose to do that, either you or a legal guardian must sign a waiver agreeing to the possibility of harm. Call your attorney and ask about local laws.


Does anyone else find it interesting that this is the one exception that we have in our society? I don't know why but it makes me laugh. Truly.



That's actually an interesting point. Why isn't BDSM play grouped with other kinds of play/sports (such as wrestling)? Injuries would then be considered an acceptable and expected part of the game, and the consenting adults engaging in those activities wouldn't be criminalized. I can see this as a logical next step in sexual liberation. After all, ass sex used to be illegal in several states until 2003.




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