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Arturas -> RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? (9/27/2012 12:47:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FMRFGOPGAL quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: From faux nuze quote: Two senior U.S. officials said that the Obama administration internally labeled the attack terrorism from the first day in order to unlock and mobilize certain resources to respond, and that officials were looking for one specific suspect. The officials said the intelligence community knew by Sept. 12 that the militant Ansar al-Shariah and Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb were likely behind the strike. Further, an official said, "No one ... believed that the mortars, indirect and direct fire, and the RPGs were just the work of a mob -- no one." I assume faux nuze has given these names to the DOJ and their sworn affidavits so that they may be tried for divulging state secrets, if not, the faux nuze article is meaningless. And in other nuze, two high level Bain spokesmen said that Willard is a nazi war criminal. Proof of the highest caliber, there. They can't even keep Joe Scarborough under control anymore. What makes you think they can communicate effectively with the outside world. They have emploded into a closed-end download between them and the idiots still listening to them, hoping the "mews" will get out through their network of "useful idiots" (a title they deserve but foist upon anyone with a clearer viewpont than them). Greetings, I live to see leftist socialist use the term "useful idiots" because most do not know it was the Soviets who coined the phrase when talking about the Left and other socialist organizations in America. Techniques in discussion like "Diversion" and the left calling others usefull idiots are interesting but not effective anymore. Just though you should know that we know even if you didn't until now. I wish you well. Arturas

joether -> RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? (9/27/2012 12:53:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas Greetings this morning. It is confirmed the Obama administration knew this attack was an organized and well planned 9/11 assault on the consulate "within 24 hours of the attack" and to put it bluntly, lied to America. Naturally, Foxnews is headlining this and is just putting out the facts but as of 10am cst the other two are working up their spin on this still. But what we need to know before rushing to judgement is why would Obama and Clinton lie to us? Be well. When I saw this thread and .... WHO .... created it, I just rolled my eyes. You have a long string of examples in which your facts are incorrect, your information is lame, and your wisdom is well in doubt. Your telling us information you got from FOX News? You do know that FOX News is WRONG 83% of the time on science, right? Science deals with facts .... VERY OFTEN! FOX News has so low a credibility rating that the only folks in the nation that accept it as fact without question are the ones to stupid, uneducated, and unwise to realize they are being fed crappy information! Second, are you really so dumb as to .... NOT .... know the United States of America has tens of thousands of threats to deal with every day? That each agency at the federal level (NSA, FBI, Secret Service, ICE, DHS, etc) have many more threats than they have people to look over each one carefully and consider how likely it is to happen? Yes, there are certain days the US Military goes on alert and each of those agencies above are even more on duty? 9/11, 4/19, Super Bowl Sunday, Christmas, 4th of July. What happened on 4/19/95? A pare of conservative philosophy individuals blew up a federal building in Oklahoma. Ever since, the goverment goes on alert for likely threats. However, you seem to blame the Obama Administration of not being fortune tellers. Or in this case, detecting horrible events with perfect accuracy. How many Powerball Jackpots have you won in a row? None? Ok, then you really dont have a leg to stand on with an arguement. quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas How can "Self Evident" according to the White House press secretary be "debunked thoroughly in another thread" with any credibility? That must have been some powerful spinning. Given that you dont realize how often FOX News lies on most subjects, you are in a very poor position to argue who spins information the best! If one watched FOX News as their sole source of information, would assume the following: 1) Mitt Romney is the only hope for the nation 2) Paul Ryan is totally honest, and wishes to help ... ALL ... US Citizens 3) 4/19/95 was .... REALLY .... the work of muslim extremes 4) The President is a muslim 5) The President is going to give the USA to the UN 6) The President and Democrats are going to outlaw the 2nd As mostly anyone with a brain (and know how to use it) can see, each one becomes even more blatantly silly than the previous. This forum is chalked full of threads to which conservatives come forward with information that is horribly inaccurate, and slammed with the facts. Only to come back the next day with even more lame information they report as 'facts'. I found that most folks that listen to FOX News only, have no clue what the Affordable Care Act is and isnt. In fact, none of them have actually read the document found on the White House's website (a simple google search brings this up too....first entry generally). They bitch high and wide about the 'Stimulus Bill' from 2009, without having a clue on .... ANY .... of the facts surrounding it. They didnt read the bill, much less know what its offically called. NO ONE, whom is intelligent, educated and has a decent level of wisdom, accepts what FOX News states on any given day, as factual, without checking the information through other sources.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? (9/27/2012 4:57:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 What`a ya think folks......will the cons,with Mitt`s leadership..... pick and poke at the body`s of our dead...... the way the Iranians did after our GIs crashed there trying to rescue our hostages? Mitt Romney is Satan...it's been proven by CM posts.

vincentML -> RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? (9/27/2012 5:16:31 PM)
~FR~ Anderson Cooper reporting at this moment that the FBI has not been able to investigate the scene because of diplomatic conflict with the "government" in Tripoli. We want to send FBI in with a "military package" to protect agents against another attack from heavy weapons, mortars, etc. The Libyan govt is not happy with the optics of that. We are bringing out more Embassy personnel. John McCain saying it doesn't take intel to know that the attack was a terrorist event. McCain taking a well deserved slap at the State Department.

Fellow -> RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? (9/27/2012 5:48:25 PM)
quote: But what we need to know before rushing to judgment is why would Obama and Clinton lie to us? We need to know who is actually in charge of the (destabilizing) North Africa operations? I hold the view Obama and H. Clinton are just operatives. Secondly, the consulate people are mostly CIA operatives. We need to know how the relationship between CIA and Al Qaeda works in more detail. My best guess is the talk about "investigation" is just a smoke and mirrors. They (Clinton etc.) know exactly who was involved and what happened.

TheHeretic -> RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? (9/27/2012 8:29:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas why would Obama and Clinton lie to us? They weren't sure a months old tape of Romney at a fundraiser was going to be sufficient distraction.

TheHeretic -> RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? (9/27/2012 8:31:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML ~FR~ Anderson Cooper reporting at this moment that the FBI has not been able to investigate the scene because of diplomatic conflict with the "government" in Tripoli. Has he mentioned that CNN was able to investigate the scene, and recover the Ambassador's journal, without too much trouble?

servantforuse -> RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? (9/27/2012 8:48:26 PM)
I have to give the liberal based CNN credit on this one..And Cooper...

isoLadyOwner -> RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? (9/27/2012 8:51:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas It is confirmed the Obama administration knew this attack was an organized and well planned 9/11 assault on the consulate "within 24 hours of the attack" and to put it bluntly, lied to America. \ Non right wing hate media source? The UK press is not as beholden to Obama as the US media. The Guardian takes a look at Obama's lies and spin: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/20/obama-officials-spin-benghazi-attack They need to be attacked as racists asap.

SternSkipper -> RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? (9/27/2012 9:37:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas quote: ORIGINAL: FMRFGOPGAL quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas Greetings this miorning. It is confirmed the Obama administration knew this attack was an organized and well planned 9/11 assault on the consulate "within 24 hours of the attack" and to put it bluntly, lied to America. Naturally, Foxnews is headlining this and is just putting out the facts but as of 10am cst the other two are working up their spin on this still. But what we need to know before rushing to judgement is why would Obama and Clinton lie to us? Be well. Fox/Arturas unsubstantiated BS. And besides, it's unwise for a government to be releasing volumes of information while they are still using the advantages afforded by not letting the ENEMY know they know it. Sounds really like the OP is advocating aid and comfort to America's enemies. Greetings, First. While I can entertain the notion that Obama did not want to let the terriorist organization know "we were on to them", in the words of the Press Secretary for the White House, "it was self evident" and so to make us look stupid in front of the world and pretend we know nothing lends credibility to the theory that the Obama White House thinks Americans are stupid and will believe anything, no matter how incredible. Second. Not admitting we knew it was a terrorist organization and planned attack was the cause and so NOT publically looking strong and knowing rather than looking clueless and weak for days on end, does not seem to be a great American foreign policy. It might lead to copycat riots , copycatting the riot Obama says happened rather than a planned attack, on embassies all over the world, ours and other countries. Oh wait, that did happen!!!! Well, there you have it. Third. Suggesting I, as the OP, would endorse giving aid and comfort to the enemy by admitting we knew who they were and we were not going to tolerate it and we will get them is a huge stretch and a common left technique called "diversion", where you make the culprit, the Obama Admin, instead the victum and anyone who is the victum of this lie is instead the culprit for "giving aid and comfort to the enemy" by advocating the truth be told. Well wishes, Arturas updated to correct point two. Lote of.old people.don't understand foreign policy in times of crisis. Out on the boat I usually recommend breathing into a paper bag.

MrRodgers -> RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? (9/27/2012 10:03:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas Greetings this morning. It is confirmed the Obama administration knew this attack was an organized and well planned 9/11 assault on the consulate "within 24 hours of the attack" and to put it bluntly, lied to America. Naturally, Foxnews is headlining this and is just putting out the facts but as of 10am cst the other two are working up their spin on this still. But what we need to know before rushing to judgement is why would Obama and Clinton lie to us? Be well. I don't know that they did know, that they did lie and if we are being fed spin as a last ditch effort for Mitt to pull a miracle. However, as for lying, I pretty much don't care anymore what with 8 years of lies under W, more lies from his old man and Reagan too. (Obama could'a got 241 Marines killed in their sleep) Presidents lying serves its own purpose...cover and at this time...re-election. So again, IF this is true, then just how is this any different ? Let's review shall we and place this question into more perspective..... Now he could get real imaginative and say, lie about 9/11/01, allow the pentagon be attacked, lie to start two wars (a drug benny would be nice) go through $12 trillion dollars in 8 years...and obviously serve 2 terms. Think he could be forgotten as quickly as all that ?

MrRodgers -> RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? (9/27/2012 10:13:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 What`a ya think folks......will the cons,with Mitt`s leadership..... pick and poke at the body`s of our dead...... the way the Iranians did after our GIs crashed there trying to rescue our hostages? Mitt Romney is Satan...it's been proven by CM posts. No, I doth protest. Romney will lower my (and his) taxes (the 2nd most important thing in life) to increase my profits (the single most important thing in life) and save the world...for more profits and lower taxes...the two most important things in life and America. Fuck the deficit, fuck jobs, fuck the country and...fuck you !!

DomKen -> RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? (9/27/2012 10:40:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: isoLadyOwner quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas It is confirmed the Obama administration knew this attack was an organized and well planned 9/11 assault on the consulate "within 24 hours of the attack" and to put it bluntly, lied to America. \ Non right wing hate media source? The UK press is not as beholden to Obama as the US media. The Guardian takes a look at Obama's lies and spin: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/20/obama-officials-spin-benghazi-attack They need to be attacked as racists asap. Did you read that article? No where does it even claim the US knew immediately that the attack was not part of an anti film riot.

DomYngBlk -> RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? (9/28/2012 5:11:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fellow quote: But what we need to know before rushing to judgment is why would Obama and Clinton lie to us? We need to know who is actually in charge of the (destabilizing) North Africa operations? I hold the view Obama and H. Clinton are just operatives. Secondly, the consulate people are mostly CIA operatives. We need to know how the relationship between CIA and Al Qaeda works in more detail. My best guess is the talk about "investigation" is just a smoke and mirrors. They (Clinton etc.) know exactly who was involved and what happened. Operatives? lol....thats great. Thanks for a laugh

vincentML -> RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? (9/28/2012 6:07:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML ~FR~ Anderson Cooper reporting at this moment that the FBI has not been able to investigate the scene because of diplomatic conflict with the "government" in Tripoli. Has he mentioned that CNN was able to investigate the scene, and recover the Ambassador's journal, without too much trouble? Cooper did discuss it extensively the night before the Ambassador's family voiced their objections (and after the journal was turned over to them) Or he admitted afterward that the journal was his source. The latter, I think.

isoLadyOwner -> RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? (9/28/2012 12:22:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: isoLadyOwner quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Arturas It is confirmed the Obama administration knew this attack was an organized and well planned 9/11 assault on the consulate "within 24 hours of the attack" and to put it bluntly, lied to America. \ Non right wing hate media source? The UK press is not as beholden to Obama as the US media. The Guardian takes a look at Obama's lies and spin: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/20/obama-officials-spin-benghazi-attack They need to be attacked as racists asap. Did you read that article? No where does it even claim the US knew immediately that the attack was not part of an anti film riot. Obama's lies are so widespread, so blatant, and so constant that its very difficult to tell which of Obama's lies you are currently referencing. Did Obama know the attack was planned, know it was a terrorist act, know it was a terrorist act within 24 hours, know it wasn't prompted by the film, and or know the US Ambassador was specifically targeted? With Obama and his collection of incompetents and liars its safe to assume anything they say is false then insist on proof that Obama was actually telling the truth and insist it come from a credible source. Obama appears completely incapable of telling the truth. The article is quite clear perhaps you are the one who did not read it

Lucylastic -> RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? (9/28/2012 12:38:33 PM)
Theres a difference between actual lies hes told and lies people are accusing him of telling....

isoLadyOwner -> RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? (9/28/2012 1:03:14 PM)
There's a difference between Obama's lies and the truth. After being lied to for nearly four years (Obama's campaign promises were lies so its a bit longer) there's an almost unrebuttable presumption Obama is lying.

tazzygirl -> RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? (9/28/2012 1:15:56 PM)
Awww you are so cute thinking politicians never lie.

FMRFGOPGAL -> RE: Why would Obama and Clinton lie to U.S.? (9/28/2012 1:23:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Theres a difference between actual lies hes told and lies people are accusing him of telling.... Careful Lucy ... That kind of mathematics will hurt heads around this thread[:D]

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