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RE: please help . hypnosis - 12/16/2012 12:06:19 PM   
VioletViolence


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I was just discussing hypnosis with an individual earlier this evening. Two basics of hypnosis are that a person who does not wish to be hypnotized cannot be hypnotized and a person, while hypnotized, cannot be made to cross deeply held personal and moral beliefs. If either are what you are seeking, then it's not going to work. Research is pretty consistent on those points.

I seriously question the motives of someone who wants to learn hypnosis simply to play in dominance and submission. This is not territory to take lightly. Using existing training as a part of dominant play time is potentially acceptable. This situation, however, concerns me.

SD


Ok, to add to what I said above, SD is correct here. You can't force someone to do things they'd never do in an unaltered state. I liken it to being a bit tipsy, your inhibitions may be a bit lowered, you may do things that are embarrassing or silly, but not things that go against your moral code. However, it is possible to trigger someone while in hypnosis and THAT is what's extremely dangerous, especially if you don't know how to deal with it. If your partner has a history of abuse or trauma, please get proper training, or leave it to someone who does. I know there are hypnotists around who will do hypnotic triggers that you can then benefit from in your play.

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RE: please help . hypnosis - 12/17/2012 12:56:24 PM   
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I have also been to a spa and tried meditation and can just not manage it. I have never been able to clear my mind, there is always something going on.


Have you tried an hour or so of yoga first? Works great for me! (I don't even bother attempting to meditate cold.

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RE: please help . hypnosis - 12/30/2012 9:34:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, since hypnosis is a natural state of mind, read a few hypno-fetish stories, do what the "hypnotist" does and viola, you'll probably maybe hypnotize someone.

But, if you want to be a hypnotist, then get ahold of Certified Instructor, spend a little money and time, learn to do it right and how to avoid or deal with a few common possible challenges.

You can probably imagine how it wouldn't be unusual to find people interested in a power exchange situation to have some issues that would come up in an altered state of consciousness where they have more access to their subconscious than usual.

All that said, are you going to be able to have the, "I trick tranced someone nice and turned them into my helpless slut while we went out for coffee," no, probably not.

Erotic/fetish hypnosis rocks. But just like any other fetish activity where someone else's welfare is in your hands, learn to do it right in a controlled setting before you engage the activity on your own.

Bondage, breath, electrical play... whatever. Take the time. Learn it right. Do it safely. Meet the needs of whomever you're participating with.

Also consider that whatever suggestions you create, keep them focused to you, that there are always real life safety concerns, and that someday, you're not going to be around. Frame everything in those concepts, and you'll have a good base for both of you.

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RE: please help . hypnosis - 12/30/2012 10:43:07 PM   
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I have also... tried meditation and can just not manage it. I have never been able to clear my mind, there is always something going on.

I don't think you can't manage it, I think you've been misled. The process of settling the mind on a focus, a mantra for example, or the inflow and outflow of your breath, is one of constantly catching it wandering and bringing it back. That's not failing to meditate. That's what meditation is in the beginning, and for quite some time. It's not really a matter of being able to "do" it, anybody can do it, it's purely a matter of persistence.

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RE: please help . hypnosis - 1/12/2013 2:36:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm a qualified hypnotherapist & have been in to hypnosis for over 20 years.

My first concern is a little bit of knowledge is dangerous.
There are such things as ab-reactions, there are also certain people that should not be put under, an example of which is bi-polar.

As stated you can buy a book and speak the words out loud (or obtain scripts on line) but I have heard of people messing this up, when the subject refused to leave the trance on queue the idiot punched the subject. I'm not suggesting you would do this and you may have every success but if have any kind of empathy why risk fucking up someone's life?

A poor choice of words could have long lasting implications some of which you may not even be around to see...

My advice is that if you want to seriously learn this - then seriously learn this. Pay some money and get a qualification other wise you could probably screw things up and may even find yourself on the end of a law suit if you place a post hypnotic suggestion which kicks off say for example when the sub is driving home one night.

Take pride and be good at what you do for everyone else's sake as well as your own.

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RE: please help . hypnosis - 1/12/2013 1:54:49 PM   
evesgrden


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Status: offline 		You want to do cyber hypnosis on your online slave whom you can never talk to let alone meet??


sheesh.. more to be pitied than laughed at

But the fact that you would even consider such a thing makes you seriously friggin dangerous.


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RE: please help . hypnosis - 1/15/2013 3:33:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am a hypnotherapist and I would advise that you go to an accredited school to learn the art. It is an amazing career- right till the point of being able to control your own pain!


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RE: please help . hypnosis - 1/15/2013 8:53:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		You don't want to learn hypnosis.

You want to learn how to make different types of anesthetics or how to select the right anesthetic. That you can learn by being a Chemical Engineer. (Surprised? Engineering is good for you.)

In order for hypnosis to be considered a craft, it would have to be reliable, repetitive and teachable. It is not. Now you will ask me "But monsieur Dreadmath, how do all these mostly attractive women dressed in fetish clothes (in the fortunate event that they are dressed at all) manage to sway a variable number of sexually unsuccessful middle-aged/old men who are for the most part misshapen, misspoken and fidgety?"

Well good sir, the answer is simple! These above mentioned men have a shaft and are on the market for a hole. The hypnotic women simply advertise a hole. Add supply and demand and there you go, enjoy ^^.

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RE: please help . hypnosis - 1/17/2013 7:13:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, as a professional hypnotist and instructor, I've found the techniques of hypnotism to be "reliable, repetitive and teachable." ~shrugs~ Don't feel so bad. Freud failed as a hypnotist. So, it's not for everybody.

A druggist can dope someone up. And a photographer can reproduce photos. I mean, if those are the absolutes that you demand, fine.

But just because someone can't learn to be an artist, doesn't mean the arts don't exist and that art can't be produced reliably, repetitively, and that others can't be taught. But you're right... the non-artist can always go out and just get an autofocus camera.

you can always slip someone a roofie.


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RE: please help . hypnosis - 1/17/2013 8:29:36 PM   
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In order for hypnosis to be considered a craft, it would have to be reliable, repetitive and teachable. It is not.

Are you suggesting that hypnosis is akin to neuro-linguistic programming? If so, I'd have to disagree. As much as I think that hypnosis is not the Jedi mind tricks that kinksters hope for, I'm pretty sure it is real and quantifiable. In the end, it seems to me a kinky person who wants to be [sexually] hypnotized is about as easy a target as you could get.


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RE: please help . hypnosis - 1/18/2013 1:10:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Do you want to learn hypnotherapy in the professional context or just plain hypnosis?
I would be glad to take you on as a student...

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RE: please help . hypnosis - 1/18/2013 8:12:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JeffBC

Are you suggesting that hypnosis is akin to neuro-linguistic programming? If so, I'd have to disagree.



I agree with you Jeff. It's not the same.


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RE: please help . hypnosis - 1/19/2013 7:58:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hypnosis is nothing more than the power of suggestion.

Please don't underestimate the power of "nothing more than". It's not magic, but like finely crafted marketing plans is can make you want a Coke instead of a Pepsi, provided that you like the taste of cola or would be willing to consider developing a taste for it.

Hypnosis is dangerous because people LOVE to latch on to a rationale which which will explain why they are the way the are, and sometimes give them the rationale to say "that's just me/it's not my fault". Now we're off the hook for accountability.

Back in the early 80's, I was working at a residential treatment center for adolescents, and suddenly a story broke that a girl had been abused by some cult in her younger years and this was uncovered through hynotherapy. Well all of sudden we were inundated with girls having had dreams indicative of this very experience, and we had therapists suddenly finding evidence of such abuse during intensive counseling (where meditation and relaxation therapy techniques were the foundation). And believe it or not.. suddenly this was happening all over the country. The young girls weren't lying, they believed it what they were saying and I bet dollars to donuts they were subtly and subconsciously reinforced by their therapists everytime they took a verbal step in the taboo direction.

I think the therapists were the biggest victims of the power of suggestion, and were shocked when the girls later recanted.

All while drinking a coke I imagine.


There are many ways to suggest something to someone who wants to do what you want to suggest.

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RE: please help . hypnosis - 1/19/2013 7:14:19 PM   
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Hypnosis should only be done by those who have schooling and are qualified.

If you brush up against something unexpected or use he wrong wording you could cause major problems that you're not equipped to handle.
Bollocks. Every time this subject is brought up, people bring up the same hysterical nonsense.

Hypnosis utilises trance states but there's nothing inherently dangerous about it, nor do people end up with horrific reactions from the induction of trance states. The idea that people re-experience traumatic events and freak out causing damage is Hollywood fucking nonsense. Nor is there any evidence whatsoever that post-hypnotic suggestions actually work, so I wouldn't worry about that crap either.

Having said that, hypnosis should not be studied in isolation - it represents a knowledge artifact in the study of human psychology and provides information which can be used in various contexts. Desiring to use learn hypnosis to gain control of others reflects a damaged psyche and an unrealistic expectation. It requires intelligence and empathy to use in any remotely successful or positive context.


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RE: please help . hypnosis - 1/20/2013 9:09:56 AM   
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RE: please help . hypnosis - 1/21/2013 4:14:07 AM   
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Hypnosis should only be done by those who have schooling and are qualified.

If you brush up against something unexpected or use he wrong wording you could cause major problems that you're not equipped to handle.



You can accomplish the same through an intimate conversation between confidantes, between close trusted friends, perhaps during quiet pillow talk in the wee hours. Hypnosis is a clinical tool for therapists to help their patients control behavior, deal with addictions, used for biofeedback for any variety of symptoms and so forth.

But when it comes to memory there is no test to determine whether you recovered a memory or created a false memory. It's the latter that's extremely dangerous, and doing the former has yet to be proven as being superior to conventional treatment which addresses the difficulties the patient has in context of today.






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RE: please help . hypnosis - 1/22/2013 4:20:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		FinD, I became a licensed psychotherapist well over 20 years ago, have a graduate degree and am quite familiar with hypnotherapy, visualization, relaxation and pain management techniques etc. It works for some patients with respect to coping strategies.

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RE: please help . hypnosis - 2/1/2013 3:57:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		As someone that has had a lot of training in hypnosis, I agree with VioletViolence. Unless you attend professional classes, I am highly against anyone just trying to learn "hypnosis" thru one of the "online" courses because there you do not get the "hands on" training that you need to be able to judge a person's bodily reactions and what they mean. When a person is under many times there body will be giving off signs that will never be spoken and you have to know what to look for and how to handle it in order to not cause real permanent damage in the person's mind.

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RE: please help . hypnosis - 2/2/2013 12:19:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dwn2EarthDom
... in order to not cause real permanent damage in the person's mind.

I think my exact comment out loud (which made Carol laugh) was "Oh good god". Yeah, coming home from the grocery store just yesterday we passed the "home for hypnotically damaged victims". If I thought I needed to add some parlour trick flair to my marriage I'd be pretty good with watching a few videos or reading an idiot's guide to hypnosis and then going at it. I assess the risk of turning Carol into a drooling vegetable as acceptable.


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RE: please help . hypnosis - 2/3/2013 8:50:12 PM   
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Two basics of hypnosis are that a person who does not wish to be hypnotized cannot be hypnotized and a person, while hypnotized, cannot be made to cross deeply held personal and moral beliefs.
Bravo. I was waiting for someone to point this out.

All hypnotic trances are self-induced. A hypnotist is in reality only a facilitator. Along with all the excellent suggestions on training, research, and study that have been mentioned in this thread I think the first thing you need to do is ask your slave/sub/partner (if one exists) their feelings on this. Because in reality, if they don't want to be hypnotized, nothing you learn is going to help you one bit.

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