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tazzygirl -> RE: Favorite way to degrade a sub (12/12/2012 1:35:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Footstoolnyc You're all vanilla. I am a total bottom and I respect a dom who will totally degrade and humiliate me. I want a master who will show me who's boss, no matter what. I need a man who can break my will. The more this happens, the more respect I have for him. Slavery is slavery. Physical and emotional. You are either into or not. As a bottom, there is no negotiation. This is the definition of a slave. I disagree. A bottom means the submissive side of the kneel. That does not mean the bottom has to be a slave. A submissive, which retains the right to say no or negotiate, is also a bottom by definition. Even a slave can negotiate if allowed by the owner. It also depends on the issue. So, while you wish to live within the narrow confines of your "extremely submissive slave" role. The rest of us live in reality.

JeffBC -> RE: Favorite way to degrade a sub (12/12/2012 1:53:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl So, while you wish to live within the narrow confines of your "extremely submissive slave" role. The rest of us live in reality. chuckles Well that and there's another little tidbit that all the super-extreme folks ought to remember. My general observation is that pretty much every relationship (including vanilla ones) has some aspect of it that is "unreasonable" in the eyes of others. I'd be willing to bet that there are some things I routinely expect of Carol that would send Footstoolnyc running for the hills screaming bloody murder and our dynamic is pretty tame by most measures. For instance, what if my commands were not "degrading" or "humiliating" but instead involved much hard work and introspection? Then would footstool still be so super submissive? What if I commanded him to rethink his entire viewpoint on dominance and submission and kink in general to see it more like I do? And while we're at it... the whole "break my will" thing always leaves me in stitches. Uh yeah... right. I don't have time to play petty little games with someone. Carol doesn't get to be pampered by "having her will broken". She gets to freakin obey... the first time... every time. So automatically I'd view Super-Sub here as entirely defective. My own observation here is that people who think they are "so extreme" are looking at one tiny little slice of possibility that they happen to care about and measuring solely in that area. I think I get to see that clearly because my own little bit of extremism isn't really on the BDSM charts at all which got me to thinking about what "extreme" even means.

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