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Thoughts on moderation

Moderation is consistently too lenient.

1% (1)

Moderation is consistently too strict.

4% (4)

Moderation is inconsistent.

26% (25)

" " (reported) personal attacks are allowed to remain.

6% (6)

The problem is they pull or leave posts for reasons besides TOS.

13% (13)

The problem is not allowing helpful or funny off topic comments.

7% (7)

The problem is that the site has a hidden agenda.

4% (4)

Administration is honest about why they pull or leave posts.

2% (2)

Administration is dishonest about why they pull or leave posts.

5% (5)

I don't have any major problems with moderation.

28% (27)

Total Votes : 94

(last vote on : 11/26/2012 4:15:14 PM)
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CRYPTICLXVI -> RE: Thoughts on moderation (10/10/2012 9:44:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Maybe it's just me but it seems to have calmed down in the last couple of weeks. I see a lot less "Calvinball" and more just sticking to TOS when deciding to pull stuff and write those lovely golden letters. Let's hope it continues.[:)] I have posted a lot less... harder to hit a missing target.

LadyPact -> RE: Thoughts on moderation (10/10/2012 9:45:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CRYPTICLXVI I have posted a lot less... harder to hit a missing target. Dammit! I just asked somebody about that!

GreedyTop -> RE: Thoughts on moderation (10/10/2012 10:12:01 AM)
suddenly feels like singing kumbayah in peewee hermans voice

crazyml -> RE: Thoughts on moderation (10/11/2012 1:26:37 AM)
FR. Here's the thing that irritates me the most about the moderation policy on this site. Whenever someone behaves rudely enough their posts are deleted. So their track record of obnoxiousness is erased. I think this is a really, really, bad thing. You should be able to tell who to ignore, who to avoid, and who to hide by looking at their posting history. If someone engages in a really nasty personal attack, a moderator should come on to the thread and ask that they apologise, if they don't they should be banned for a period of time, say 24 hours - and details of that ban posted on the thread. That way order is restored, and a person's posting history remains an accurate portrayal of their character.

MistressDarkArt -> RE: Thoughts on moderation (10/11/2012 1:36:25 AM)
^^^Agree 100% This happened on my post in Off Topic about entitled dog owners leaving bags of dog poop on trails and/or dogs allowed to crap/piss in other people's yards. Some of the replies were real doozies (but nothing I thought violated TOS) and quite revealing of the posters ahem...philosophies. The thread stayed but those important posts: gone...vanished...sanitized...whitewashed. I wrote to a mod several days ago asking why they were pulled but my note is showing as unread, so obviously unanswered at present.

ARIES83 -> RE: Thoughts on moderation (10/11/2012 1:49:28 AM)
I'm with you ml, I actually think Gamma did something interesting on that last guys thread, she quoted the offending posts after removing them, and put them in her own post, electronically spanking the person. It still associates the stupidity with the poster for anyone who cares to check their posting history, but removes the comments from the thread continuity. So atleast in that case, the comments aren't directed at anyone now but the record of them is there for all to see, I think that is a very smart way of doing it. -Aries

crazyml -> RE: Thoughts on moderation (10/11/2012 1:54:08 AM)
Yes, I spotted that, and in fairness I suppose it is a step. But, the most jerky comments weren't reproduced, and I certainly didn't report any of the comments that were directed at me.

LadyPact -> RE: Thoughts on moderation (10/11/2012 2:30:01 AM)
Aries, if the poster's comment is removed, and reproduced as a comment by a Mod, it's no longer associated with the poster's history. The closest you'd get on that one would be searching that person's name as the subject and the Mod handles as author. Keep in mind what Alpha said prior. Mods change. For example, if Chi stops volunteering, a year from now, nobody is going to look up her past posts to see the reprints. Kind of a weird thing to begin with since pulled posts can't be quoted by users to respond to whatever was said in the original that went poof. There was a time I was the flipping queen of having My posts removed because I quoted whatever it was that somebody else said that violated TOS. Alpha and I aren't going to disagree on that one. CrazyML, unfortunately, I disagree with you. For one, I think it's not the best idea to try to administer corrective action with posters on threads. While it would keep the record for said asshatery on the forum, sticking the warning to a specific poster on a thread isn't fair notice. I can promise you that I don't return to every thread where I've been, well...... Not the most pleasant person in My comments. (What? I never said I didn't deserve the gold mail I do get. [:-] ) I would think the Mods would still have to send the gold mail to whomever did whatever, just for the fact that the poster may not see it otherwise. Just a couple of insomnia inspired thoughts.

ARIES83 -> RE: Thoughts on moderation (10/11/2012 2:51:58 AM)
This is a link to his last post before gamma's fix. http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4264377 I think it works well.

LadyPact -> RE: Thoughts on moderation (10/11/2012 3:12:33 AM)
The post linked says "ok Mistress" which isn't a pull. The stuff that particular OP said that got pulled can't be found under the poster's name as author. The quote that was pulled in the quote box no longer has a name associated with it. YOU know it was the OP's quote because you read the thread as it was happening. I did not. There is literally no way for Me to know that quote, posted by Gamma, is actually from the OP of that thread.

crazyml -> RE: Thoughts on moderation (10/11/2012 3:33:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact CrazyML, unfortunately, I disagree with you. You know, I'm always glad when someone like you disagrees with me - because the chances are pretty high that I'm going to be better for it. quote: For one, I think it's not the best idea to try to administer corrective action with posters on threads. While it would keep the record for said asshatery on the forum, sticking the warning to a specific poster on a thread isn't fair notice. I can promise you that I don't return to every thread where I've been, well...... Not the most pleasant person in My comments. (What? I never said I didn't deserve the gold mail I do get. [:-] ) I would think the Mods would still have to send the gold mail to whomever did whatever, just for the fact that the poster may not see it otherwise. Just a couple of insomnia inspired thoughts. Yes, despite your sleep deprivation, you're thinking it through more than I did. I've noticed that when mods post a firm but friendly warning on threads before doing any post-pulling, the result is often a positive one. Perhaps... not pulling threads that appear before a warning has been put on the thread? Meh... I suppose I just wish that fewer threads were pulled. I'm happy to be judged by my posting record (which certainly includes examples of jackassedness and snark a plenty), but I do resent the fact that even more jackassed and snarky posters seem to have a thoroughly pleasant and reasonable posting history. Some of the worst examples of nastiness I've had directed at me (from the Hannah days) would have been much much better left for all to see.

LadyPact -> RE: Thoughts on moderation (10/11/2012 4:03:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml You know, I'm always glad when someone like you disagrees with me - because the chances are pretty high that I'm going to be better for it. I always enjoy our talks, no matter what the occasion. quote: Yes, despite your sleep deprivation, you're thinking it through more than I did. I've noticed that when mods post a firm but friendly warning on threads before doing any post-pulling, the result is often a positive one. I've noticed that, too. The 'back on track' kind of notes on a thread are usually effective on the discussion forum. I don't want to stick My neck out to say the same for Pol & Rel. I don't keep up with enough threads in that area to make an assessment. quote: Perhaps... not pulling threads that appear before a warning has been put on the thread? To a degree. There are certain things that I'm glad are wiped off of this site as soon as they are spotted. I'm not necessarily an "all sins are equal" kind of chick when it comes to TOS violations. Some things are definitely worse than others. quote: Meh... I suppose I just wish that fewer threads were pulled. I'm happy to be judged by my posting record (which certainly includes examples of jackassedness and snark a plenty), but I do resent the fact that even more jackassed and snarky posters seem to have a thoroughly pleasant and reasonable posting history. I probably would, too. Even if folks only got a taste of the stuff I've ever typed that has been pulled. I am noticing, as time goes on, it's harder for Me to find certain things through the search feature, and that's with Me knowing what I'm looking for. I'm going to have to start using an unusual keyword in posts that I want to find again. Even then, it's only going to work for 300 posts. quote: Some of the worst examples of nastiness I've had directed at me (from the Hannah days) would have been much much better left for all to see. I don't know. I do know it lowered the bar. Alpha said earlier that she rather expected folks to know that a "you" statement was the personal attack area. I think after that era, it's kind of tough to pin down stuff like name calling. Edited - Bad quoting form, damn it!

ARIES83 -> RE: Thoughts on moderation (10/11/2012 4:36:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact The post linked says "ok Mistress" which isn't a pull. The stuff that particular OP said that got pulled can't be found under the poster's name as author. The quote that was pulled in the quote box no longer has a name associated with it. YOU know it was the OP's quote because you read the thread as it was happening. I did not. There is literally no way for Me to know that quote, posted by Gamma, is actually from the OP of that thread. The gamma fix is literaly on the same screen as that guys last post, if you link to his post... You see gamma's post on the same screen. Gamma quotes him by name, he's pulled posts are there, with his name, in the quote. If you think it would be clearer if his name was in both the quotes I'm with you all the way. Apart from that, I really can't see for the life of me see the problem. It looks straight forward to me. -Aries ------------------------------------ ORIGINAL: VideoAdminGamma You should be careful what you wish for. You have mail. Gamma P.S. This is the introduction section and all members are reminded of that. No excuses and no exceptions. quote: ORIGINAL: theDeepMan i need a domm to set me straight quote: terribly no? are you an 18th century bitch get off my forum -------------------------------------

crazyml -> RE: Thoughts on moderation (10/11/2012 5:10:26 AM)
Not all of his pulled posts are there.

ARIES83 -> RE: Thoughts on moderation (10/11/2012 5:49:47 AM)
Yer, it's incomplete but like you said it's a start, and it's better than nothing IMO. I dont think you could do this in every situation, espically if the post was to offencive of something like that. Atleast it's something, wat about that other idiot... all his threads were removed so nothing at all left to show the dumness... Bah, I'm sure it will all work out this stuff is above my pay grade. [:D] -Aries

VideoAdminGamma -> RE: Thoughts on moderation (10/11/2012 7:03:25 AM)
Fast reply That post had an unintentional quote in it that was saved for a copy and paste elsewhere. I have edited it as it should not have been there. In the recent thread posts were pulled strictly according to policy established in the TOS and Community Guidelines. I will continue to follow policy regardless of who is posting. There have been a lot less pulls, and Alpha is correct in the statement that it adds a lot more work to us when we have to pull a post. Thanks for being a part of CollarMe, Gamma

Hillwilliam -> RE: Thoughts on moderation (10/11/2012 7:14:46 AM)
Then, only pull stuff that actually violates TOS (which seems to be what's happening for about the last 2 weeks) WIN/WIN[:)]

CRYPTICLXVI -> RE: Thoughts on moderation (10/11/2012 7:29:20 AM)
Pull this post. It is off topic.

mnottertail -> RE: Thoughts on moderation (10/11/2012 7:30:44 AM)
Please provide us a credible citation that this is so. You can't just come out here with these extravagant claims and have people believe your patter out of hand.

poise -> RE: Thoughts on moderation (10/11/2012 7:32:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CRYPTICLXVI Pull this post. It is off topic. [image]local://upfiles/1031783/229D951FCE0E4F6DA71A13A486D7ACA5.jpg[/image]

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