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Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 9/30/2012 6:11:35 PM   
JadeFox937


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Status: offline 		I was faced with this issue in the quote 'holy scriptures' for a few years of my life as a bisexual male. One of the issues was as I was involved into homosexual acts, is the fact I still thought of the bible as 'THE WORD OF GOD' and would not back down from what it taught about this matter.

I was asked to attend a local TG Group that met 2x a month around the Dayton area. I was going to go, but I seen they was TWISTING what the bible clearly stated about this issue so I refused to go sit under a 'WORD BUTCHER'. I knew I was wrong about m4m sex (at the time I thought anyways), and would not SHEER MY MIND into believing a LIE to be true, Gods word was true, and all else was a lie to me (at that time).

A few years cranked on down the line, and I had some deep thought about the REAL facts of this matter. Is the Bible right when it says God made man in his image, and yet he places a 'A' spot inside a Mans body? If God was so violently opposed to it, than God has a BIGGER issue ' a manufacturing flaw '.


I went back into the 'holy text', I seen issues! People say the book is for us to live Morally Right, and it is: Gods way of showing us how to live a good moral life. Think again, think about it, god commands all homosexuals to be KILLED, well the Christian sure thinks this is correct, but when you turn it on them, ADULTERY, the shoe don't fit so well on there foot now! God commands the same thing about some one that commits Adultery: 'they MUST be KILLED!


Now, I have had some say 'we are no longer under the Law or OT. This is just a scapegoat for them to try to get around all the SILLY stuff in the Law.

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

There is WAY more than this on this topic, but that should PROVE just somewhat how SILLY this book is, and how we CANNOT LIVE BY IT'S STANDARDS (how many people would be alive today if we Killed all these people).

Sorry this is so sloppy, I did proof read it some, but I am cramped for time for now, please understand, SRY so short.

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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 9/30/2012 6:16:32 PM   
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Is the Bible right about anything?

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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 9/30/2012 6:26:55 PM   
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Not really a new topic in this Forum, but what the heck . . .
Is the Bible right about anything?


Yes, there are some correct things.

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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 9/30/2012 6:27:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some things, but most the time we can find nuggets of truth in a lie!

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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 9/30/2012 6:27:33 PM   
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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 9/30/2012 6:32:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Not really a new topic in this Forum, but what the heck . . .
Is the Bible right about anything?


Tides? Setting tables for last suppers? Who rides which horse?

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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 9/30/2012 6:37:19 PM   
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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 9/30/2012 6:40:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why does everyone always get up in arms about the homosexual passages, anyways? Have you read the ones about menstruation? Or not wearing two different fabrics at the same time? Nobody gets upset about people not following those.

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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 9/30/2012 6:46:35 PM   
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Why does everyone always get up in arms about the homosexual passages, anyways? Have you read the ones about menstruation? Or not wearing two different fabrics at the same time? Nobody gets upset about people not following those.


Ummmmmmm .... causssssssse theirrrrrr members of the christian right?

Just a guess.

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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 9/30/2012 6:47:57 PM   
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Why does everyone always get up in arms about the homosexual passages, anyways? Have you read the ones about menstruation? Or not wearing two different fabrics at the same time? Nobody gets upset about people not following those.

Because menstruation and wearing two different fabrics are not used as a fundamentalist cudgel to deprive gays of their secular civil rights????

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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 9/30/2012 7:01:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		I look at it this way…My God is loving and has told me he will forgive my sins. I personally don’t believe God would send me to hell because of the way HE made me. I do ask for forgiveness for my sins when I prey and if God will not change me then I believe he will forgive me.

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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 9/30/2012 7:01:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee

Why does everyone always get up in arms about the homosexual passages, anyways? Have you read the ones about menstruation? Or not wearing two different fabrics at the same time? Nobody gets upset about people not following those.


Ummmmmmm .... causssssssse theirrrrrr members of the christian right?

Just a guess.



Yeah. . . but just picture Fred Phelps with "G*d hates periods" signs and protesting military funerals because the deaths were obviously caused by our lack of red tents!

"But…but you can't treat religion as a sort of buffet, can you? I mean, you can't say yes please, I'll have some of the Celestial Paradise and a helping of the Divine Plan but go easy on the kneeling and none of the Prohibition of Images, they give me wind. Its table d´hôte or nothing, otherwise…well, it would be silly." ~ Moist Von Lipvig

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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 9/30/2012 7:09:39 PM   
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Or not wearing two different fabrics at the same time?


Yeah who cares about homosexuality we're all going to hell for wearing poly-cotton blends and eating lobster anyway

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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 9/30/2012 7:13:14 PM   
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"But…but you can't treat religion as a sort of buffet, can you? I mean, you can't say yes please, I'll have some of the Celestial Paradise and a helping of the Divine Plan but go easy on the kneeling and none of the Prohibition of Images, they give me wind. Its table d´hôte or nothing, otherwise…well, it would be silly." ~ Moist Von Lipvig

Erummm . . how then do you explain so many Christian sects with diverse dogma? Seems to me that is exactly what happened historically.

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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 9/30/2012 7:23:51 PM   
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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 9/30/2012 8:33:45 PM   
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Not really a new topic in this Forum, but what the heck . . .
Is the Bible right about anything?

It doesn't matter since this isn't a Theocratic dictatorship - yet.

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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 9/30/2012 9:13:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		It depends on if you believe the bible are the words of God, whether they be those he himself wrote or a man was inspired by God to write and you have faith in God

or if you think the bible is just a book written by man.

Ask yourself how far you wish to follow God's words and how much faith you have in him. No one can answer this for you. If you are feeling conflicted, maybe you can find a christian counselor or pastor to talk to if you are a regular member at their church.

Or you can ask God. Pray and listen.


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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 10/1/2012 2:35:56 AM   
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"But…but you can't treat religion as a sort of buffet, can you? I mean, you can't say yes please, I'll have some of the Celestial Paradise and a helping of the Divine Plan but go easy on the kneeling and none of the Prohibition of Images, they give me wind. Its table d´hôte or nothing, otherwise…well, it would be silly." ~ Moist Von Lipvig


I think most people over the centuries have gone for 'silly' but have been very, very serious about it to make up for the silliness.


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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 10/1/2012 5:57:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		OP, you've just struck a nerve with me.

Disclaimer 1: I'm Jewish. Jews don't subscribe a lot to the top-down model, in which the priest/minister/imam reads up, and then gives a shut-up-and-listen talk to the flock, explaining what God meant and passing off his own interpretation as literal statements from God. For us (well, for Reform Jews, not Orthodox), the rabbi gives his or her take,, and others chime in. It's actually considered praiseworthy to engage the rabbi in discussion.

Disclaimer 2: I'm an engineer. I like well-constructed arguments, with sources well documented.

With that in mind, you've made a statement that the Bible condemns homosexuality, and then criticized the Bible for that. I'm sorry, but:

1. Give a quote about the condemnation.
2. The Bible must be taken in context, with a realization that times have changed. Bible thumpers would be apoplectic if they understood what biblical marriage really is.
3. The Bible is IMO a fascinating work, and one of great wisdom. That said, it is necessary to do some interpretation, and frequently to overlook a minor point in favor of the general gist of a passage.

With that said, could you cite some passages that condemn homosexuality?

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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 10/1/2012 6:37:17 AM   
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A RESPONSE TO DR. LAURA SLESSINGER'S ATTACKS ON HOMOSEXUALS

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When people try to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to follow them:

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev.1:9).The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7.In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness (Lev.15:19-24).The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) Lev.25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev.11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev.21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

i) I know from Lev.11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread cotton/polyester blend. He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them (Lev.24:10-16)? Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

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