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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 10/1/2012 6:48:37 AM   
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2. The Bible must be taken in context, with a realization that times have changed. Bible thumpers would be apoplectic if they understood what biblical marriage really is.


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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 10/1/2012 6:52:57 AM   
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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 10/1/2012 6:54:16 AM   
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And then Kalikshama takes all those rules and regs and summons up an infogram.

I <heart> this thread, and everyone in it.

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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 10/1/2012 7:01:55 AM   
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Hey OP!

First, a disclaimer, I'm a proper full-on evangelical. I give up of my own spare time to help people see the truth.

That truth being, since I'm an evangelical Atheist, that there is no such thing as God.

Having said that, I know many committed believers, and since many (many many) of them really are a lot smarter than me, I have to respect a person's spiritual beliefs.

But... these old testament books, they're just "how to guides" for people who end up in charge of a medieval tribe in the middle of a desert. They're just not so applicable today. As one example, if Moses had had access to a Smeg fridge, I betcha the rules against shellfish and pork would have been set aside. Cuz let's face it... lobster is yummy.


So here's what I said to the last god bothering nut job who tried to tell me my gay buddies were hell-bound - "If you're going to call a book "the word of god" and insist on a direct and literal adherence to the words within it then you'd better fucking obey all of its instructions, or you can fuck off."



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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 10/1/2012 7:05:24 AM   
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It depends on if you believe the bible are the words of God, whether they be those he himself wrote or a man was inspired by God to write and you have faith in God

or if you think the bible is just a book written by man.


I've been reading a lot about problems with translations recently.

http://www.holisticpolitics.org/NarrowPath/HellError.php

The popular vision of Hell is a mix of mistranslation, pagan influence, and intentional myth designed to intimidate the masses. The picture in the Bible is more complex, and closer to common sense notions of justice. Over the course of this chapter we will look at the four words which get translated as “hell” in the King James Bible. We’ll expose the dishonest slight of hand used by the translators to make the Old Testament account match the later vision. We’ll look at many passages which belie the idea that the wicked go straight to Hell and punishment after death, while earnest Believers go straight to the pearly gates above. Indeed, we’ll start with the many passages which state that the dead go nowhere supernatural at all! The Bible says the dead “sleep.”

http://www.bokorlang.com/journal/18bible.htm

...Another problem inherent in Bible translation is comprehension of the intended meaning. Here, in fact, there are at least three problems. First, there is the problem of understanding the ancient languages in which the Bible was written. No one who spoke those languages is around to tell us what they mean. We all know that languages continually change over time. New words are always being added and others take on different or added meanings. For example, only recently have we begun using the word 'Internet' as part of the everyday speech. And when we hear the word 'cool' in a conversation today, it is not always referring to the weather. Therefore, it is obvious that words do not have only one meaning, and many are not used in the same way that they were used in the past. It is also well known that even modern Greeks and Israelis cannot understand the Bible from its original manuscripts; they need a translation. However, to understand the Bible, words must be studied in all the places where they occur in available writings and compared with similar words in related languages. Then, we might be able to understand or guess their meaning. Nevertheless, we should bear in mind that of the Bible expected to be understood. The Bible is not a collection of cabalistic writing or of Delphic oracles. As Nida says, "the writers of the Bible were addressing themselves to concrete historical situations and were speaking to living people confronted with pressing issues" (ibid, 7). Thus, we should assume that the writers of the Bible expected to be understood, and also that they intended one meaning and not several, unless an intentional ambiguity is linguistically 'marked.'

There is also the problem of cultural understanding. With an imperfect knowledge of ancient cultures it is not always possible to understand references of various kinds. Bible scholars are continually learning things about ancient Israel and the Near East that can help us understand the historical and cultural context out of which the Bible emerged. For example, we understand much more clearly today the way the various social classes interacted in the ancient world, as well as the more intimate workings of families, clans and tribes in ancient Israel. Such discoveries sometimes affect how we understand the words and the stories of the Bible. In addition, archeologists continue to find documents and libraries that can help translators understand the ancient Hebrew and Greek languages better, and so help them translate the Bible more accurately. For instance, the King James Version translates 1 Samuel 17.22 like this:

"And David left his carriage in the hand of the keeper of the carriage, and ran into the army."

The translators had difficulty with one of the Hebrew words in the manuscripts they used, and translated "his carriage" and "keeper of the carriage" based on the context of the narrative. As translators learned more about the Hebrew language and its vocabulary they understood that the verse did not talk about David's 'carriage,' but about the 'carried things' or 'baggage' that he had with him for the soldiers in the army. And so the translators of the Revised Standard Version (published in 1952) were able to translate the same verse more accurately:

"And David left the things in the charge of the keeper of the baggage, and ran to the ranks" (http://www.biblelearning.org)

At this point, we should mention that even if translators know the cultural setting of the Biblical era, it is very hard for them to reconstruct this cultural setting in which the writing first took place since there are great differences between it and the current one.

The third and most important problem in understanding the Bible is the spiritual problem. "The natural mind does not receive things of the Spirit of God" (1 Cor 2:14). Anyone who knows God has had the experience of reading a Bible passage a hundred times and then suddenly seeing what it means. As we grow in spiritual understanding, the Bible continually reveals its deeper meanings. The Holy Spirit guides us into all truth. Who then would claim to understand every word of the Bible? Hidden gems may well lie beneath the surface of its every sentence. (http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/robert_beecham/whichbib.htm)

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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 10/1/2012 7:07:10 AM   
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And then Kalikshama takes all those rules and regs and summons up an infogram.


Alas, I cannot take credit - the graphic was in DS's link.

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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 10/1/2012 7:10:24 AM   
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You can take solace and inspiration from the teachings of Mrs Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian. Her instructional videos - based entirely on Biblical truth - are available at this link:

http://www.bettybowers.com/videos.html

Her crystal clear words of wisdom on marriage are indispensable in today's heathen world.

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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 10/1/2012 7:22:25 AM   
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<blurts>I love you</blurts>

You have made my day.

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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 10/1/2012 7:23:10 AM   
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So here's what I said to the last god bothering nut job who tried to tell me my gay buddies were hell-bound - "If you're going to call a book "the word of god" and insist on a direct and literal adherence to the words within it then you'd better fucking obey all of its instructions, or you can fuck off."


I have two logic problems with people using Leviticus to preach against homosexuality:

1. The myriad ways one can translate Leviticus 18:22

http://www.stjohnsmcc.org/new/BibleAbuse/Leviticus.php

...The exact meaning of the original passage in Leviticus is therefore unclear. Translators face a choice between alternative prohibitions of:

- homosexual behavior by either sex
- sexual behavior between two men
- sexual behavior between a man and a married man (or perhaps three people, including at least one man and one woman)
- just anal sex between two men
- just pagan temple ritual sex (between two men?)
- sexual activity between two men in a woman’s bed

2. Cherry picking two points from Leviticus and ignoring the rest of Biblical prohibitions.

http://www.humanistsofutah.org/2002/WhyCantIOwnACanadian_10-02.html

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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 10/1/2012 7:25:58 AM   
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So... what you're saying is I should change it from...

"If you're going to call a book "the word of god" and insist on a direct and literal adherence to the words within it then you'd better fucking obey all of its instructions, or you can fuck off."

to

"If you're going to call a book "the word of god" and insist on a direct and literal adherence to the words within it, assuming you fuckwits have actually managed to translate them correctly, then you'd better fucking obey all of its instructions, or you can fuck off."?

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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 10/1/2012 8:05:33 AM   
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Yes!

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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 10/1/2012 9:02:59 AM   
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You can take solace and inspiration from the teachings of Mrs Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian. Her instructional videos - based entirely on Biblical truth - are available at this link:

http://www.bettybowers.com/videos.html


Loved "Repent and Reload!"

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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 10/1/2012 3:28:00 PM   
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First, a disclaimer, I'm a proper full-on evangelical. I give up of my own spare time to help people see the truth.

That truth being, since I'm an evangelical Atheist, that there is no such thing as God.

LOL! It does entertain me a bit that our CM atheists are way more evangelical than the church folk.

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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 10/1/2012 3:41:53 PM   
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OttersSwim - you made me laugh so much , i couldn't read your questions to my daughter. If there had been tea involved, it would have bathed my laptop!
Thanks for the good laugh.

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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 10/1/2012 3:48:51 PM   
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Really, isn't it a waste of time and energy arguing about the contents of the Bible? It's full of horseshit that's both factually and morally wrong - which is not surprising because it was written by deranged fruitcakes over two thousand years ago. Who cares? Time to move on. Dump it. That is all.

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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 10/1/2012 3:51:03 PM   
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What does the Bible have to say about the moon landing, eh? That's what I want to know.

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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 10/1/2012 3:55:30 PM   
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The Bible is full of shit, Jade. Just ignore it and all the wankers who purvey it.

I hope that helps. If it doesn't, nothing really will.





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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 10/1/2012 4:03:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

What does the Bible have to say about the moon landing, eh? That's what I want to know.


So long as lots of babies were killed by insane old fuckheads with long beards, and homosexuals were rammed unto up the arse with red hot pokers, and so long as it was writteneth with lots of words ending in 'eth' to make it sound importanteth rather than a load of derange-ed old bollockseth, I'm sure the Bible would have approvedeth. Yea, Lo, Hallelujah, eteceterethethetheth, verily. Eth.

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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 10/1/2012 4:04:32 PM   
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So...you're saying that homosexuals come from the moon?

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RE: Is the bible right about Homosex ? - 10/1/2012 4:05:53 PM   
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I like fucking with Christians since they're supposed to be "Christ-like". I keep demanding where Jesus (Considered by them to be the christ) says that homosexuality is a "no-no". They never can. Job done.

I've heard all the bullshit about Jesus "perfecting" the old law. I believe that his lack of comment on some issues was an implicit indictment of their validity.



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