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DomKen -> RE: Nakoula Basseley - jailed without bail (10/2/2012 6:50:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I would think he violated his parole by posting the film, because part of his parole was no internet access. Sorta makes the film part of the issue just by having posted it. From the OP Following his conviction, for which he served one year in federal prison, Mr. Nakoula had been ordered not to use an alias or access the Internet without the permission of his probation officer. He agreed to the conditions of his parole and then broke at least two aspects, using an alias and using the internet. He should go back to prison just like anyone else who violates their parole.

TheHeretic -> RE: Nakoula Basseley - jailed without bail (10/2/2012 7:47:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I would think he violated his parole by posting the film, because part of his parole was no internet access. Sorta makes the film part of the issue just by having posted it. Do we know this to be the case, Tazzy? That he personally did the posting? Now clearly, from the way his name finally came out, it is clear that he has been doing business under aliases, which does seem to be one of the conditions of his probation on the earlier charges. That's plenty. He certainly drew attention to himself, which is never a wise move for people on probation. But that doesn't change the look or feel of locking somebody away, because he made a movie. It doesn't change that the administration took their time making the decision to do that, or tell us how high the decision might have gone, to be made. We threw his ass in jail on a technicality, because he said something people don't like. That's the truth of this, and I don't like it.

tazzygirl -> RE: Nakoula Basseley - jailed without bail (10/2/2012 8:32:56 PM)
And yet the movie is what lead them to him. Its because of that movie that he was found out. Shall we turn the other cheek and look away because he broke his parole agreement simply because he did so with a free speech issue?

TheHeretic -> RE: Nakoula Basseley - jailed without bail (10/2/2012 9:31:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Shall we turn the other cheek and look away because he broke his parole agreement simply because he did so with a free speech issue? And there is what is troubling to me Tazzy. Values are coming into conflict. From the criminal justice perspective, he's busted, and that's all there is to that. I get it. I'm a free speech kind of guy, though, and how casually that perspective is dismissed, and even mocked, doesn't sit well.

DomKen -> RE: Nakoula Basseley - jailed without bail (10/2/2012 10:14:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Shall we turn the other cheek and look away because he broke his parole agreement simply because he did so with a free speech issue? And there is what is troubling to me Tazzy. Values are coming into conflict. From the criminal justice perspective, he's busted, and that's all there is to that. I get it. I'm a free speech kind of guy, though, and how casually that perspective is dismissed, and even mocked, doesn't sit well. He's not being prevented from expressing his ideas. The trailer is still up on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmodVun16Q4 So what precisely is the problem with putting this guy back in prison for violating the terms of his parole, terms he voluntarily accpeted BTW.

stellauk -> RE: Nakoula Basseley - jailed without bail (10/2/2012 11:18:09 PM)
You know what's really interesting about this "movie" is that there's no mention or indication of its classification (board of film classification). Funny how some people are going on about the 'first amendment' rights or free speech but thing is, if you make a film there is also the issue of 'public decency' which is why you have a board of classifications to begin with. You can't just exercise your freedom of speech by making a film which offends whoever for whatever reason (if that is your intention) without classifying your film and putting a classification notice at the start of all materials pertaining to the film.

Politesub53 -> RE: Nakoula Basseley - jailed without bail (10/3/2012 2:43:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Anti-Islam filmmaker, Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, in jail but not for 'Innocence of Muslims' I find this story a little bit troubling, and I'm curious how others who live under the protections of the First Amendment feel about it. Yes. He was arrested for violating the conditions of his sentence on a prior conviction, not for the movie. I get that. I don't like the optics, or the symbolism of it. Put an ankle tracker on the fuck, and watch the monitor real close. I see a message that the United States of America will capitulate our freedom, to pacify ignorant mobs. I get it. I still don't like it. No, you dont still get it...... he was released on parole and through the release of the film was found to have violated the conditions, hence the recall to jail. Its plain and simple, unless you are casting aspertions on the Judge who oversaw the parole case you have to believe he acted in good faith.

DomKen -> RE: Nakoula Basseley - jailed without bail (10/3/2012 3:03:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stellauk You know what's really interesting about this "movie" is that there's no mention or indication of its classification (board of film classification). Funny how some people are going on about the 'first amendment' rights or free speech but thing is, if you make a film there is also the issue of 'public decency' which is why you have a board of classifications to begin with. You can't just exercise your freedom of speech by making a film which offends whoever for whatever reason (if that is your intention) without classifying your film and putting a classification notice at the start of all materials pertaining to the film. Actually you can. The MPAA classification is a voluntary thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPAA_film_rating_system

stellauk -> RE: Nakoula Basseley - jailed without bail (10/3/2012 4:16:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: stellauk You know what's really interesting about this "movie" is that there's no mention or indication of its classification (board of film classification). Funny how some people are going on about the 'first amendment' rights or free speech but thing is, if you make a film there is also the issue of 'public decency' which is why you have a board of classifications to begin with. You can't just exercise your freedom of speech by making a film which offends whoever for whatever reason (if that is your intention) without classifying your film and putting a classification notice at the start of all materials pertaining to the film. Actually you can. The MPAA classification is a voluntary thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPAA_film_rating_system Thank you. I stand corrected.

tazzygirl -> RE: Nakoula Basseley - jailed without bail (10/3/2012 4:20:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Shall we turn the other cheek and look away because he broke his parole agreement simply because he did so with a free speech issue? And there is what is troubling to me Tazzy. Values are coming into conflict. From the criminal justice perspective, he's busted, and that's all there is to that. I get it. I'm a free speech kind of guy, though, and how casually that perspective is dismissed, and even mocked, doesn't sit well. Im not seeing the mockery here.

subrob1967 -> RE: Nakoula Basseley - jailed without bail (10/3/2012 4:51:09 AM)
i absolutely love how the people who think pot should be legalized, and that there are too many people in jail for non violent crimes are the same people who are applauding this guy's incarceration because he used the internet to post a video. Arresting Occupy vandals bad... Arresting Muslim critics good!

Owner59 -> RE: Nakoula Basseley - jailed without bail (10/3/2012 5:22:46 AM)
Yelling "fire!" in a crowded building and causeing a stampede, is a violent crime........ What mall do you work at again?[:D]

Hillwilliam -> RE: Nakoula Basseley - jailed without bail (10/3/2012 5:30:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 i absolutely love how the people who think pot should be legalized, and that there are too many people in jail for non violent crimes are the same people who are applauding this guy's incarceration because he used the internet to post a video. Arresting Occupy vandals bad... Arresting Muslim critics good! He's in jail because he was a fucking thief and meth dealer out on parole and he violated that parole. Are you in favor of turning thieves loose as long as they comply to your political beliefs? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakoula_Basseley_Nakoula He stole hundreds of thousands of dollars, he had multiple Social Security numbers so he could steal more. He also was convicted on manufacture of meth charges and served just over ONE year but you fucking bleeding hearts on the Right think he got a raw deal because he got tossed back in jail. Based on the amount he stole and the poison he was manufacturing, he should have been left there to rot in the first place.

Owner59 -> RE: Nakoula Basseley - jailed without bail (10/3/2012 5:50:10 AM)
It`s amazing how easily cons drop their principals when it comes to codling con-criminals..... There are STILL cons calling to have Israeli spy and traitor Jonathan Pollard, released and set free...... Let him rot in jail......

tazzygirl -> RE: Nakoula Basseley - jailed without bail (10/3/2012 9:27:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 i absolutely love how the people who think pot should be legalized, and that there are too many people in jail for non violent crimes are the same people who are applauding this guy's incarceration because he used the internet to post a video. Arresting Occupy vandals bad... Arresting Muslim critics good! Arresting someone who... 1) committed a crime, 2) was convicted of that crime, 3) was given early release to return to society 4) agreed to certain conditions for parole 5) could not abide by the conditions of that early release I dont think there are far too many people in jail for nonviolent crimes. I have reservations about the legalization of pot. Convict an occupier of a crime, offer him/her parole with conditions, catch them breaking those conditions, send their asses back to jail.

Politesub53 -> RE: Nakoula Basseley - jailed without bail (10/3/2012 9:52:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 i absolutely love how the people who think pot should be legalized, and that there are too many people in jail for non violent crimes are the same people who are applauding this guy's incarceration because he used the internet to post a video. Arresting Occupy vandals bad... Arresting Muslim critics good! Laughable....now we have a poster who claims to be a police officer saying its okay to break parole conditions.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Nakoula Basseley - jailed without bail (10/3/2012 10:06:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic We threw his ass in jail on a technicality, because he said something people don't like. That's the truth of this, and I don't like it. They threw his ass in jail because he was a big time thief (Hundreds of thousands of dollars) and a meth dealer who broke his probation be taking on more aliases. The internet access, much less the film wasn't mentioned.

stellauk -> RE: Nakoula Basseley - jailed without bail (10/3/2012 11:03:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 i absolutely love how the people who think pot should be legalized, and that there are too many people in jail for non violent crimes are the same people who are applauding this guy's incarceration because he used the internet to post a video. Arresting Occupy vandals bad... Arresting Muslim critics good! Interesting how we have those speaking out in defence of the 'first amendment' rights and freedom of speech of a convicted felon for posting a film of dubious quality and hateful content against Muslims on the Internet. Yet when the subject turns to the first amendment rights and freedom of speech of Shaker Aamer, an innocent Muslim charity worker held indefinitely in solitary confinement in Guantanamo Bay despite having been cleared for release in 2007 all of a sudden there's this almighty silence.

DomKen -> RE: Nakoula Basseley - jailed without bail (10/3/2012 12:11:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stellauk quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 i absolutely love how the people who think pot should be legalized, and that there are too many people in jail for non violent crimes are the same people who are applauding this guy's incarceration because he used the internet to post a video. Arresting Occupy vandals bad... Arresting Muslim critics good! Interesting how we have those speaking out in defence of the 'first amendment' rights and freedom of speech of a convicted felon for posting a film of dubious quality and hateful content against Muslims on the Internet. Yet when the subject turns to the first amendment rights and freedom of speech of Shaker Aamer, an innocent Muslim charity worker held indefinitely in solitary confinement in Guantanamo Bay despite having been cleared for release in 2007 all of a sudden there's this almighty silence. It's very telling. If the conservatives don't like your politics then torture and being held incomunicado is fine. If they do like your politics enforcing a parole agreement is striking at the very heart of the Republic.

thishereboi -> RE: Nakoula Basseley - jailed without bail (10/3/2012 4:56:33 PM)
quote: You may think it`s funny or a good time but it`s putting Americans in danger. Where did I say I thought it was funny or a good time? Maybe you should respond to the words on the forum instead of the bullshit that runs through your own head? quote: The worst most disgusting part of this abuse our our 1st Amendment is how you righties are promoting and defending this film and then blaming what happens on the president. Actually the most disgusting part is you making shit up to continue your hatefest against the right.

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