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RE: am i sub or slave - 6/14/2006 5:19:03 AM   
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i dont agree with this in the way that i dont feel its a good idea to stay in an unhappy marriage for your children, 


WHOA!!!
let me clarify... I never said stay in the marriage. I've gone through a divorce because my husband & I went different ways with our individual lives & interests. There is a right way to do this & there is a wrong way to do this... especially when there are little ones involved.

The OP said she didn't want to drag her kids through hards times... I pointed out that her activities of cheating will definitely lead to hard times once found out. It is only a matter of time before it is found out.

I pointed out that her family is her first priority. Take care of them first which means look to the welfare of her children & do her husband the courtesy of being upfront & honest with him. They did make a promise of a life commitment to each other when they married. If this is going to change he should be given the respect to be part of that decision as well.

Deceit breeds deceit. I would question anyone who practices it just as much as anyone who would accept this in another. The OP is sneaking around & the new friend is ok with it... this speaks volumes without a word being said.

Swift kick or not... I hope that this whole thing can be worked out but it doesn't stand a chance of ending with a positive when there is so much negative going on.

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RE: am i sub or slave - 6/14/2006 5:35:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress

This is very brave.

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ORIGINAL: subgyrl123

Thanks to all tough love swift kick whatever i have alot to think about and will do so before moving forward thanks to all

 
Good for you...its really rare that a poster takes some of the advice givien here,  rather then up and leaving in a snit...I wish you the best of luck as you sort all this out.
 
 
 



I agree... & as I posted a moment ago, I do hope that this all works out for the best.

Often I will post brutal honesty. Often this will come across as harsh. I do not wish any ill will on others, I reserve that tone with the bottom-feeders on the site.

The OP seems to simply have a classic case of sub-frenzy & is now beginning to come back to reality. It will all work out in the end for the best. Taking time for introspection will reveal the best course of action.

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RE: am i sub or slave - 6/14/2006 5:57:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: subgyrl123
 I am afraid when it comes to trying these things that i used to consider hard limits, i really will not be able to go through with. Obviously my head is spinning and any guidance would be greatly appreciated.
allie


I believe her concern was about getting guidance and not marital advice.


Allie: I will not judge you. All I can ask is: Have you discussed your fears/concerns with your Dominant? Perhaps sincere discussion of limits and your fears will help you figure out this confusing situation.

Best of luck to you
irish




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RE: am i sub or slave - 6/14/2006 6:17:12 PM   
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An excellent taste of zen wisdom. Here's another that I picked up while training in monastary.

"To seek is not to desire. Desire is the hunger that can never be filled. To seek is to search, without pre-concieving what one will find. It is possible to seek and to maintain one's peace. Desire strips away one's peace, and leaves in its place a sense of loss for something one has never experienced, and therefore, can never truly comprehend the shape of. Seeking brings one glimpses of truth. Desire brings one the random chance between starvation and poison." Staracer, 1998


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ORIGINAL: slavejali

Desire is the cause of all suffering.





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RE: am i sub or slave - 6/14/2006 7:50:41 PM   
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You are neither a sub or a slave, you are a cheat.

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RE: am i sub or slave - 6/14/2006 8:01:54 PM   
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Ok... befor going any further you are married and that takes front seat to anything els you may want or feel, you are vonerable now and even without beeing married now would not be a good time to seek any relationship!!
if you are feeling that you are beeing unfaithfull you need to stop because like it or not if you think its cheeting then it is cheeting.
If you want to keep your marrage then the best thing to do is not to see this Dom anymore if you feel you cant controll your feelings when it comes to him.
If you think that you would be happier with someone els the talk to your husband it isnt right for you to make desitions that will effect both your lives without him.
like it or not him beeing your husband gives him right to know this stuff

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RE: am i sub or slave - 6/14/2006 8:14:42 PM   
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And here is the voice of one, never yet tempted.
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ORIGINAL: Arpig

You are neither a sub or a slave, you are a cheat.

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RE: am i sub or slave - 6/14/2006 8:17:16 PM   
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My post will not be popular and don't know that i care one way or another.  A year ago my hubby gave me permission to have online relationships because that is what i needed and craved.  He is vanilla and really tried hard to understand but just does not.  His anger over the last year had increased to an unbearable level or so i thought until this week.  We discussed where our marriage was going and he has given me permission to go real time.  I have felt guilt since late March when i "cheated" and found out that i am truely a submissive.  Now i don't worry the guilt is lifted, he helped me make some safe purchases and is supportive of my going to a party/munch this weekend.  Yes he could be setting me up for a fall but he is honorable and explained he would rather share me than lose me.  He also asked if i had an objection to his looking for vanilla companionship which i encouraged.  It does not mean we don't love each other only that we accept who the other is.  I almost lost him by not talking to him so i encourage you to talk to your husband.  As for my son who is 14 it would be foolish to say he has not noticed the rift that has occurred during recent months.  He is a surviver and hubby and i agree this is not his business and he does not get a vote.  We will both be discreet and continue to be good parents, and loving husband and wife. 
With all that said i have a difficult time judging others married or unmarried in this or any other alternative lifestyle.  Sometimes it is easy to tell others what they must or should do than to simply listen and give them noncritical advise.  If i had listened to some that gave me advise i would still be very unhappy with an unhappy husband and child.  I did not choose this life i was born submissive but did not know it for 20 years left for 15 years and had to come back.  Life changes us all as my husband said when he was younger he might not have been able to allow me this choice but would still rather have me in his life happy than to have me unhappy or to have me leave.

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RE: am i sub or slave - 6/14/2006 8:21:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: diamonddreamlove

My post will not be popular and don't know that i care one way or another.  A year ago my hubby gave me permission to have online relationships because that is what i needed and craved.  He is vanilla and really tried hard to understand but just does not.  His anger over the last year had increased to an unbearable level or so i thought until this week.  We discussed where our marriage was going and he has given me permission to go real time.  I have felt guilt since late March when i "cheated" and found out that i am truely a submissive.  Now i don't worry the guilt is lifted, he helped me make some safe purchases and is supportive of my going to a party/munch this weekend.  Yes he could be setting me up for a fall but he is honorable and explained he would rather share me than lose me.  He also asked if i had an objection to his looking for vanilla companionship which i encouraged.  It does not mean we don't love each other only that we accept who the other is.  I almost lost him by not talking to him so i encourage you to talk to your husband.  As for my son who is 14 it would be foolish to say he has not noticed the rift that has occurred during recent months.  He is a surviver and hubby and i agree this is not his business and he does not get a vote.  We will both be discreet and continue to be good parents, and loving husband and wife. 
With all that said i have a difficult time judging others married or unmarried in this or any other alternative lifestyle.  Sometimes it is easy to tell others what they must or should do than to simply listen and give them noncritical advise.  If i had listened to some that gave me advise i would still be very unhappy with an unhappy husband and child.  I did not choose this life i was born submissive but did not know it for 20 years left for 15 years and had to come back.  Life changes us all as my husband said when he was younger he might not have been able to allow me this choice but would still rather have me in his life happy than to have me unhappy or to have me leave.



I dont know why you would think this would be an "Unpo;ular" post while many may not agree with shareing your spouse the point is you both know and agree to it and therefor it is not cheatting

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RE: am i sub or slave - 6/14/2006 8:33:19 PM   
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you are wrong, i have been tempted, often and very severly tempted...but I never cheated. Why? Because I made a promise, i gave my word, and at the end of the day that is all a man has to go by.

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RE: am i sub or slave - 6/14/2006 8:42:07 PM   
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But here's my piece

I think this has been a positive thread for many reasons. People with much wisdom have come forward. Youve not been overly judged. A tad, soap boxey at times, but none the less, accepted. And you appear to of put the brakes on for a time.

Ive been exactly where you are. And id love to say, i did it the right way. But i didnt.
So thinking back now, would i of done it differently? Yes. Id put the brakes on and took stock
Staying for the kids was no longer a option for me. The bad outwayed the good by now.
He's not wanting to travel your path, that's ok.
So now you decide, stay or move forward?
If forward, how? with who'm?, where?,  And the better you plan this part, the less guilt at the end of this rough patch. Your a mum, your gonna flog yourself with guilt on this one, we all do. To exit a relationship guiltless as possible, is a very empowering thing.

You cant change how hurtful you may or maynot of been, but you can decide how hurtful you will be in future. Take responsibility love.And do the right thing.

My only other thought was about this Dom, waiting in the wings. With full knowledge that you are married. He's prepared to see how this one goes? Where's his chivalry bone?
Im not saying that a night in shinning armour approach is entirely necessary, but he's just sat back! And letting you get on with it. He'll pick you up later once youve sorted your crap out.
Its one thing to not seek a life crisis in another, but its another to turn your back on one, especially one you have helped create!

How could you not respond to your Dom in every cell of your body? This newness is perhaps our pinnacle of Vulnerable career. Our need is suddenly fed, often for the first time. Its bloody marvelous stuff.  And its like a drug, you keep coming back for another fix.
The dynamics behind coming out. Are often looked over in our newness and eagerness. Sub frenzy is certainly worth a read.

As a Dom, he's behaved in a less than acceptable manner. He's very politically incorrect here. He's stolen anothers, he's based a D/s relationship uppon deceit. Yeah, sounds like a bloke. Doms have been known to think with their Top space, aswell as their cocks. Just as you are enjoying the delights of thinking with your clit. Equal rights. Its common behaviour in society, be it bdsm or vanilla.

You are a cheat comment. Yep, your gonna hear that. Sorry you have to though.

good luck, i really wish you well.
Here is a poem i found at Alt. ITs inspirational genious. read:)
Seeing that it is is a time of graduation-recent graduates--(and all of us) will find much words of wisdom in Dr Seuess' "The Place You'll Go-- Theodore Geisel's last--and surely his most wonderful--only my opinion..

I'm sorry- i just can't resist--this is for all the graduates--or for any of us at a crossroads:


Congratulations!
Today is your day.
You're off to Great Places!
You're off and away!


You have brains in your head.
You have feet in your shoes
You can steer yourself
any direction you choose.
You're on your own. And you know what you know.
And YOU are the guy who'll decide where to go.


You'll look up and down streets. Look 'em over with care.
About some you will say, "I don't choose to go there."
With your head full of brains and your shoes full of feet,
you're too smart to go down any not-so-good street.


And you may not find any
you'll want to go down.
In that case, of course,
you'll head straight out of town.


It's opener there
in the wide open air.


Out there things can happen
and frequently do
to people as brainy
and footsy as you.


And when things start to happen,
don't worry. Don't stew.
Just go right along.
You'll start happening too.


OH!
THE PLACES YOU'LL GO!


You'll be on your way up!
You'll be seeing great sights!
You'll join the high fliers
who soar to high heights.


You won't lag behind, because you'll have the speed.
You'll pass the whole gang and you'll soon take the lead.
Wherever you fly, you'll be the best of the best.
Wherever you go, you will top all the rest.


Except when you don't
Because, sometimes, you won't.


I'm sorry to say so
but, sadly, it's true
and Hang-ups
can happen to you.


You can get all hung up
in a prickle-ly perch.
And your gang will fly on.
You'll be left in a Lurch.


You'll come down from the Lurch
with an unpleasant bump.
And the chances are, then,
that you'll be in a Slump.


And when you're in a Slump,
you're not in for much fun.
Un-slumping yourself
is not easily done.


You will come to a place where the streets are not marked.
Some windows are lighted. But mostly they're darked.
A place you could sprain both your elbow and chin!
Do you dare to stay out? Do you dare to go in?
How much can you lose? How much can you win?


And IF you go in, should you turn left or right...
or right-and-three-quarters? Or, maybe, not quite?
Or go around back and sneak in from behind?
Simple it's not, I'm afraid you will find,
for a mind-maker-upper to make up his mind.


You can get so confused
that you'll start in to race
down long wiggled roads at a break-necking pace
and grind on for miles across weirdish wild space,
headed, I fear, toward a most useless place.
The Waiting Place...


...for people just waiting.
Waiting for a train to go
or a bus to come, or a plane to go
or the mail to come, or the rain to go
or the phone to ring, or the snow to snow
or waiting around for a Yes or a No
or waiting for their hair to grow.
Everyone is just waiting.


Waiting for the fish to bite
or waiting for wind to fly a kite
or waiting around for Friday night
or waiting, perhaps, for their Uncle Jake
or a pot to boil, or a Better Break
or a string of pearls, or a pair of pants
or a wig with curls, or Another Chance.
Everyone is just waiting.


NO!
That's not for you!


Somehow you'll escape
all that waiting and staying.
You'll find the bright places
where Boom Bands are playing.


With banner flip-flapping,
once more you'll ride high!
Ready for anything under the sky.
Ready because you're that kind of a guy!


Oh, the places you'll go! There is fun to be done!
There are points to be scored. there are games to be won.
And the magical things you can do with that ball
will make you the winning-est winner of all.
Fame! You'll be famous as famous can be,
with the whole wide world watching you win on TV.


Except when they don't.
Because, sometimes, they won't.


I'm afraid that some times
you'll play lonely games too.
Games you can't win
'cause you'll play against you.


All Alone!
Whether you like it or not,
Alone will be something
you'll be quite a lot.


And when you're alone, there's a very good chance
you'll meet things that scare you right out of your pants.
There are some, down the road between hither and yon,
that can scare you so much you won't want to go on.


But on you will go
though the weather be foul
On you will go
though your enemies prowl
On you will go
though the Hakken-Kraks howl
Onward up many
a frightening creek,
though your arms may get sore
and your sneakers may leak.


On and on you will hike
and I know you'll hike far
and face up to your problems
whatever they are.


You'll get mixed up, of course,
as you already know.
You'll get mixed up
with many strange birds as you go.
So be sure when you step.
Step with care and great tact
and remember that Life's
a Great Balancing Act.
Just never forget to be dexterous and deft.
And never mix up your right foot with your left.


And will you succeed?
Yes! You will, indeed!
(98 and 3/4 percent guaranteed.)


KID, YOU'LL MOVE MOUNTAINS!


So...
be your name Buxbaum or Bixby or Bray
or Mordecai Ali Van Allen O'Shea,
you're off to Great Places!
Today is your day!
Your mountain is waiting.
So...get on your way!





Long, but fab.

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RE: am i sub or slave - 6/14/2006 8:44:50 PM   
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Hi, I have been on this site for quite awhile now, and think i have found my Master/Dom. Here is my question....I am married and have no desire to change that. I thought i could do this with no emotional involvement (I know this was a foolish assumption). Just meet for some mutual release occassionally. However i have only met Him once and have spoken to Him every night for the past 3 week, and find myself drawn to Him as a man not just a Master. Besides my guilt of cheating physically, now I am afraid this will really change my life. I have lost someone very close to me last week and he offers me more support then my own family, and I am questioning if this is how all new subs feel. He is a widow and lived the lifestyle with his wife. Some of his interests I am not into and now i am beginning to wonder if my feelings are real or like puppy love because i want to try everything even things that repulsed me in the past. I am afraid when it comes to trying these things that i used to consider hard limits, i really will not be able to go through with. Obviously my head is spinning and any guidance would be greatly appreciated.
allie

Okay - i'm confused. You're post is  sub or slave? What difference does it make at this point? Perhaps the first thing to consider is are you married or are you single?


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RE: am i sub or slave - 6/17/2006 8:03:51 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

you are wrong, i have been tempted, often and very severly tempted...but I never cheated. Why? Because I made a promise, i gave my word, and at the end of the day that is all a man has to go by.


Im pleased, you fared better than i. I also made a promise. And this is why i allowed myself to be tempted. I used this as a spring board out of my relationship. I knew that once i had defiled the promise, i was free. I ended it, the marriage, the promise, that day, THAT moment. 
But i did cheat. So i kinda feel i have walked a mile in both pairs of shoes, so to speak. So perhaps, that is why i can empathise, with both the morality and the human aspects of this.
We all want fairy tale ends to our relationships. Becoming a Widow being the highest in guilt free stakes. Sadly, life is not like that always. Well, my life anyhow.

little1

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RE: am i sub or slave - 6/17/2006 8:30:45 AM   
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You are in a very difficult place. I understand it well. I chose to wait until my kids were raised before I left my husband and started seriously exploring my submissiveness. The last 10 years of my marriage I was celibate. I found out later he was cheating on me.

It is more difficult to find a Dom when you wait as long as I have, but I am glad I waited. Whoever finally finds me will be able to trust that I am trustworthy and faithful.

Waiting and digging deep within yourself to truly understand who you are and what you really need, not just what floats your boat for a brief moment or 2, is worth the time. A good Dom will be glad you took the time to do that.

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