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LookieNoNookie -> RE: Wearing a Romney T shirt is like being in the KKK (10/6/2012 5:01:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
I just checked....she didn't die in the Holocaust.

Your claim was that they stopped doing it completely in 1995. Clearly that was incorrect.


My claim was that according to an article (on the internet) they stopped doing that for Holocaust victims.

I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary.

Ergo, it might be true, it might be pure fantasy.



farglebargle -> RE: Wearing a Romney T shirt is like being in the KKK (10/6/2012 5:08:02 PM)

And my point here is, "Why doesn't Mitt Romney set the record straight?"

Now, since us Jews are a minority here, I don't expect people to understand how big an issue this is for us. There are so many people I speak with that cannot understand why any Jew could support Mitt Romney given his past admitted actions and refusal to confirm if he's stopped and if so, exactly when. I would like to see him publish a list of the people whose spirits he desecrated and whose family he shit on, but since he's such a slimebag that he won't even address his past actions, I don't expect to see it.



farglebargle -> RE: Wearing a Romney T shirt is like being in the KKK (10/6/2012 5:10:06 PM)

Know who else had a lot of ceremonies?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilXVkgmJk2E



tazzygirl -> RE: Wearing a Romney T shirt is like being in the KKK (10/6/2012 5:42:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
I just checked....she didn't die in the Holocaust.

Your claim was that they stopped doing it completely in 1995. Clearly that was incorrect.


My claim was that according to an article (on the internet) they stopped doing that for Holocaust victims.

I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary.

Ergo, it might be true, it might be pure fantasy.


Famed Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal in 1983. Last month, a member of the Mormon church posthumously baptized Wiesenthal's parents, a practice offensive to many Jews (Horst Tappe, Hulton Archive / Getty Images)



imdmb -> RE: Wearing a Romney T shirt is like being in the KKK (10/6/2012 6:02:53 PM)

now how about we widen the focus a little bit, he not only has said hes baptized dead jews, which is something the klan certainly wouldent see a problem with, and would help out in, but:

hes also gotten on the 'all homosexuals should die' wagon, and has publicly shaved a mans head because he thought the man was gay

so... considering this is a site about sexual deviancy, and he is anti-sexual deviancy, why would anybody here want to vote for him?

lets face it, BDSM wont be legal for decades, not really, might as well just sit back and do what we do. but until homosexuality isnt looked upon how it currently is we sure as fuck arent going to be allowed to progress either

end of slight rant



dcnovice -> RE: Wearing a Romney T shirt is like being in the KKK (10/6/2012 6:23:47 PM)

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hes also gotten on the 'all homosexuals should die' wagon

Lord knows, as do veteran posters, that I'm no Romney fan, but I find this hard to credit without a source.



slvemike4u -> RE: Wearing a Romney T shirt is like being in the KKK (10/6/2012 7:03:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: imdmb

now how about we widen the focus a little bit, he not only has said hes baptized dead jews, which is something the klan certainly wouldent see a problem with, and would help out in, but:

hes also gotten on the 'all homosexuals should die' wagon, and has publicly shaved a mans head because he thought the man was gay

so... considering this is a site about sexual deviancy, and he is anti-sexual deviancy, why would anybody here want to vote for him?

lets face it, BDSM wont be legal for decades, not really, might as well just sit back and do what we do. but until homosexuality isnt looked upon how it currently is we sure as fuck arent going to be allowed to progress either

end of slight rant

BDSM isn't legal ?
Fuck,all these years I've been a criminal ?
Not sure if I can wait "decades" ....aww shit<I'll just turn vanilla(I don't want to go to jail)



BouncyBoo -> RE: Wearing a Romney T shirt is like being in the KKK (10/6/2012 7:40:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
BDSM isn't legal ?
Fuck,all these years I've been a criminal ?
Not sure if I can wait "decades" ....aww shit<I'll just turn vanilla(I don't want to go to jail)


Well if we all end up in jail together... it could be interesting.

But prisons in the US are overpopulated as it is, maybe they'll put us all in a dungeon.



DomKen -> RE: Wearing a Romney T shirt is like being in the KKK (10/6/2012 8:14:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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hes also gotten on the 'all homosexuals should die' wagon

Lord knows, as do veteran posters, that I'm no Romney fan, but I find this hard to credit without a source.

He donates huge sums to the LDS Church which is a major funder of anti gay movements here and abroad. That includes Africa where they have definitely given money in support of groups advocating killing gays.



SadistDave -> RE: Wearing a Romney T shirt is like being in the KKK (10/7/2012 1:44:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

And my point here is, "Why doesn't Mitt Romney set the record straight?"

Now, since us Jews are a minority here, I don't expect people to understand how big an issue this is for us. There are so many people I speak with that cannot understand why any Jew could support Mitt Romney given his past admitted actions and refusal to confirm if he's stopped and if so, exactly when. I would like to see him publish a list of the people whose spirits he desecrated and whose family he shit on, but since he's such a slimebag that he won't even address his past actions, I don't expect to see it.


Mormons believe that they can say a little prayer and baptize someones soul after they die because they want those people to have eternal happiness, and you think that's as evil and hateful as the Nazis, who Easy-Baked 6 million people? Maybe you envision St. Peter standing in front of a gate that says "Work Will Make You Free", but I'm pretty sure that's not even close to what the Mormons believe...

As an atheist, I really don't give a shit. I happen to think that people are good and decent in spite of religion, not because of it, but I'll stick up for the Mormons on this one. I think it says a lot of good things about the character of any faith when its followers want to gift eternal happiness to the people who had their savior whacked.

-SD-



tazzygirl -> RE: Wearing a Romney T shirt is like being in the KKK (10/7/2012 5:25:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

And my point here is, "Why doesn't Mitt Romney set the record straight?"

Now, since us Jews are a minority here, I don't expect people to understand how big an issue this is for us. There are so many people I speak with that cannot understand why any Jew could support Mitt Romney given his past admitted actions and refusal to confirm if he's stopped and if so, exactly when. I would like to see him publish a list of the people whose spirits he desecrated and whose family he shit on, but since he's such a slimebag that he won't even address his past actions, I don't expect to see it.


Mormons believe that they can say a little prayer and baptize someones soul after they die because they want those people to have eternal happiness, and you think that's as evil and hateful as the Nazis, who Easy-Baked 6 million people? Maybe you envision St. Peter standing in front of a gate that says "Work Will Make You Free", but I'm pretty sure that's not even close to what the Mormons believe...

As an atheist, I really don't give a shit. I happen to think that people are good and decent in spite of religion, not because of it, but I'll stick up for the Mormons on this one. I think it says a lot of good things about the character of any faith when its followers want to gift eternal happiness to the people who had their savior whacked.

-SD-



Then I suggest you read up on the jewish traditions and laws because you are missing a shit load of information



vincentML -> RE: Wearing a Romney T shirt is like being in the KKK (10/7/2012 5:54:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: searching4mysir


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: Loookingforus

Well the GOP and the KKK are both stupid backwoods organisations composed mainly of old white guys, hicks, and idiots who hate blacks and gays so I can see where the mistake could be made



Note to self: drink coffee before peeling the puppy



Don't forget that the KKK was started by Democrats.

The KKK (the Klan) was formed by veterans of the Confederate Army in Pulaski, Tennessee in 1866

Sorry, tazzy. Missed your previous post. But left standing for emphasis.



vincentML -> RE: Wearing a Romney T shirt is like being in the KKK (10/7/2012 6:01:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Lousy article doesn't state whether wearing politically oriented clothes are permitted at that school or not. In any case, the teacher's comments were incendiary and out of line.

Student political speech by wearing arm bands protesting the vietnam war was protected by SCOTUS in 1969.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_v._Des_Moines_Independent_Community_School_Dist.



vincentML -> RE: Wearing a Romney T shirt is like being in the KKK (10/7/2012 6:08:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

And my point here is, "Why doesn't Mitt Romney set the record straight?"

Now, since us Jews are a minority here, I don't expect people to understand how big an issue this is for us. There are so many people I speak with that cannot understand why any Jew could support Mitt Romney given his past admitted actions and refusal to confirm if he's stopped and if so, exactly when. I would like to see him publish a list of the people whose spirits he desecrated and whose family he shit on, but since he's such a slimebag that he won't even address his past actions, I don't expect to see it.


Mormons believe that they can say a little prayer and baptize someones soul after they die because they want those people to have eternal happiness, and you think that's as evil and hateful as the Nazis, who Easy-Baked 6 million people? Maybe you envision St. Peter standing in front of a gate that says "Work Will Make You Free", but I'm pretty sure that's not even close to what the Mormons believe...

As an atheist, I really don't give a shit. I happen to think that people are good and decent in spite of religion, not because of it, but I'll stick up for the Mormons on this one. I think it says a lot of good things about the character of any faith when its followers want to gift eternal happiness to the people who had their savior whacked.-SD-


Dave, what you are missing here is that Jews were persecuted by Christians for about 1800 years in a misconceived attempt to get them to convert. The Holocaust was a culmination of 18 centuries of persecution. Mormon posthumous baptism (conversion) of Shoah victims is a renewal of that persecution. Hardly a gift of eternal happiness.



SadistDave -> RE: Wearing a Romney T shirt is like being in the KKK (10/7/2012 1:11:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
Dave, what you are missing here is that Jews were persecuted by Christians for about 1800 years in a misconceived attempt to get them to convert. The Holocaust was a culmination of 18 centuries of persecution. Mormon posthumous baptism (conversion) of Shoah victims is a renewal of that persecution. Hardly a gift of eternal happiness.


I realize that it's a good excuse for libs to take up arms against Christians, but that's a load of bullshit.

If you're a Jew, and you do all the Jew things Jews do to go to Heaven... You're going to be in Heaven when you die, so Mormons baptizing you after you die is more like having a cheerleading section in the afterlife than persecution.

If you're a Jew and you don't do the things Jews do to go to Heaven, you won't be in Heaven when you die. In that case, being baptized when you die is closer to having a character witness in court because the Mormons are essentially saying "God, I understand that this person fucked up while he was alive, but I think you should give him a second chance and allow him to come to Heaven."

By all means, explain how either of those concepts are even remotely related to being imprisoned, tortured, and tossed in a furnace by someone believes you're less than human. That should be a pretty entertaining stretch of the imagination...

-SD-



vincentML -> RE: Wearing a Romney T shirt is like being in the KKK (10/7/2012 2:40:16 PM)

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By all means, explain how either of those concepts are even remotely related to being imprisoned, tortured, and tossed in a furnace by someone believes you're less than human. That should be a pretty entertaining stretch of the imagination...

Dave!!

Firstly . . . a testimony to your ignorance of the history of persecution of Jews by Christians. Here for example is a choice bit from Martin Luther:

"Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues. Instead they might be lodged under a roof or in a barn, like the gypsies. This will bring home to them the fact that they are not masters in our country, as they boast, but that they are living in exile and in captivity, as they incessantly wail and lament about us before God.

Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them. "
http://www.awitness.org/books/luther/on_jews_and_their_lies_p2.html

Secondly, a little problem with your reading comprehension. I did not say the Mormon posthumous baptism was related to the Holocaust. I said it was a continuation of the attempts to convert the Jews to Christianity. That is what baptism is . . . a mark of being a Christian. A cleansing away of old sins and beliefs.

Need more history lessons? Check out in Wiki the building of the Jewish Ghetto in Rome [1555] by Pope Paul IV to gather the Jews in one place and force feed them the Christian gospel. Oh, how little you know.

All your rants will not change the history of persecution. Why do ya think the Mormon Church agreed to cease baptizing Holocaust victims? They at least had the decency to agree to it and to not continue making asinine apologies like yours.

Christianity bears the guilt of persecution of Judaism. Not my fault they see the horror of that history in the bodies piled high in gas chambers. Nor can it be washed away. Tis Christianity's great sin.




SadistDave -> RE: Wearing a Romney T shirt is like being in the KKK (10/7/2012 3:47:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML


The testament to your ignorance, is that you decided to involve yourself in criticism of farglebargle comparing Mormons to Nazis. So you're a little off point there. What you responded to was wholly concerned with that subject. You are the one who doesn't seem to understand the written word, and if anyone lacks reading comprehension skills here, it looks like it was you.

Secondly, if you want to use history as a basis for your modern day hatreds, then why don't you go a little farther back in history and look at all the races the Jews allegedly killed before Christianity came about. For that matter, look into the beliefs of the Jews, and you'll find that they are quite proud about having believed for thousands of years that they committed genocide, infanticide, and committed terrible atrocities in the name of their god long before Jesus was even an itch in Yahweh's pants.

In case your understanding of modern events is as uninformed as your understanding of history and religion, I would remind you of the Gaza strip and Jerusalem. Right now the Muslims are trying to steal it from the Jews because they say the Jews stole it from them. The Jews say the Muslims stole it from them first hundreds of years earlier. You can trace that particular conflict back thousands of years and find that Muslims (and their ancestors before the pedophile brought the world Islam) and the Jews have been killing each other over that miserable strip of land since recorded history, so don't be a complete tool and try to impress upon me how innocent the Jew are because they were persecuted for a while. They have persecuted their fair share of people over the course of time.

They are no different than any other race or religious group that has been around for any length of time. They also have a history, and they also have blood on their hands. So if you want to play silly games, why don't you take a look at all the civilizations the Jews crushed.

I asked a very simple question, but apparently the complexity of it confused you so I will rephrase it for you. Please, take the time to read the question real slow so it sinks in before you answer.

"How is someones belief that they can influence the god of their understanding, in the hopes that someone who may not have entered whatever afterlife they believe in might be saved from eternal damnation, an act of evil or hate?"

That's the question, not what happened to the Jews 100 years ago.

-SD-




vincentML -> RE: Wearing a Romney T shirt is like being in the KKK (10/7/2012 5:35:11 PM)

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"How is someones belief that they can influence the god of their understanding, in the hopes that someone who may not have entered whatever afterlife they believe in might be saved from eternal damnation, an act of evil or hate?"

The answer is that you are wrong.

Baptism of the dead is not a "belief that they can influence the god of their understanding." Nor is it as you said earlier "Mormons believe they can say a little prayer . . ." Oh, how innocent that seems . . . if your eyes remain closed to the persecutions and pograms.

Baptism is an invitation to conversion, doubly offensive in this instance because of the long history of Christianity badgering the Jews to become Christians. Why have the Christians been so insistant on conversion of the Jews? Because the Judaic Jews commited the great afront of rejecting the messiah of the Christian Jews, and being instrumental in His crucifixion.

Here is Pope Pius XII addressing the College of Cardinals in 1942 whilst Jews were being slaughtered by the hundreds of thousands: "Jerusalem has responded to His call and to His grace with the same rigid blindness and stubborn ingratitude that has led it along the path of guilt to the murder of God." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_XII_and_the_Holocaust#Hidden_encyclical

So yeh, its all of a piece no matter what amount of innocence you wish to ascribe to it.

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They are no different than any other race or religious group that has been around for any length of time. They also have a history, and they also have blood on their hands. So if you want to play silly games, why don't you take a look at all the civilizations the Jews crushed.

So, blame the victims . . . . [8|]

"From the founding of their religion in 1830, Mormons have respected Judaism as a religion. Thus in 1994, Jews were outraged when it became known that members of LDS were posthumously baptizing Holocaust victims and other Jewish dead. Many followers of Judaism find the practice highly offensive, something akin to the forced baptism of Jews practiced for centuries in Europe during the Middle Ages. Some see the practice as an implicit bias, an act of intolerance."
http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/ldsagree.html

Farglebargle is a Jew. He told you had offensive it is to his people. What makes you think you know better? Where is your authority on the issue? Why can't you leave it lie? Have a little respect.



DaddySatyr -> RE: Wearing a Romney T shirt is like being in the KKK (10/7/2012 8:19:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML
Farglebargle is a Jew. He told you had offensive it is to his people. What makes you think you know better? Where is your authority on the issue? Why can't you leave it lie? Have a little respect.


Fargle speaks for ALL Jewish people? Wouldn't that be a little bit like saying: "All Jews are alike"? or "All Jews believe ..."?

Now, the fact that Fargle (one person) finds it offensive, is an indicator to some that they may want to refrain but, if we allowed one person to speak for all then NONE of the lefties on this board would be able to speak against Christianity because I find it offensive and I have just appointed myself the spokesman of the Christians. Does that work for everyone? Hardly.

Unfortunately for your post, not all of any kind of people are of one mind on any issue. I have Jewish friends who get offended if other friends forget to wish them "Merry Christmas" because they appreciate the sentiment, even though they don't recognize the Christian messiah. I haven't asked these specific people (but I will) but, I would be willing to wager that they will have no issue with the practice. So, I doubt that "All Jews believe ..." is an accurate one.

I fail to understand how someone wishing "happy, peaceful, eternal life" upon someone can be "insulting". I'm not all that surprised that some people have an issue with it because we have a society that has large amount of people that see themselves as victims (it's why they identify with Ofailure when he bitches about Bush, leaving him a messy economy).

So, let's say that it is offensive to some people and not offensive to others. Fine. If we stopped doing things as a society based upon that criterion, nothing would get done as abortion is offensive to some and welfare is offensive to some.

If Mormans preached the hatred for Jews that they do for black people (try reading 5 Morman V. 29) then, I'd say you have a point.



Peace and comfort,



Michael



tazzygirl -> RE: Wearing a Romney T shirt is like being in the KKK (10/7/2012 8:23:35 PM)

Master Dinnardin is Jewish... he cant even discuss this without getting upset. To say he finds it offensive is... umm... putting it mildly.



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