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subspaceseven -> GOP supports Childhood death penalty (10/9/2012 10:24:30 AM)

Well, your children don't "respect" you, the answer is easy for a GOP Candidate ...just put them to death...no questions asked... so sayth A candidate for the Arkansas legislature, Charlie Fuqua

"The maintenance of civil order in society rests on the foundation of family discipline. Therefore, a child who disrespects his parents must be permanently removed from society in a way that gives an example to all other children of the importance of respect for parents. The death penalty for rebellious children is not something to be taken lightly. The guidelines for administering the death penalty to rebellious children are given in Deut 21:18-21:"

Nothing like following the bible...now what does it say about divorce?? eating shellfish??? Hmmm.....

So why is it ok for the GOP to rule with the bible, but not ok for other countries to rule with their book of faith????

For those saying the GOP does not support this...please show me where one of them speaks against this...so far not one has, not Willard, not Akin...no one in the GOP has come out against this guy and his ideas




DaddySatyr -> RE: GOP supports Childhood death penalty (10/9/2012 10:31:37 AM)

I'm surprised the dems can't get behind this and just call it a really late term abortion. It's kind of at the bottom of the "it's my choice" slope that got so slippery back in 1973.

Congratulations to the lefties for hosing down the slope with water in mid-January.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




mnottertail -> RE: GOP supports Childhood death penalty (10/9/2012 10:39:32 AM)

All about the timing with the neo-cons




subspaceseven -> RE: GOP supports Childhood death penalty (10/9/2012 10:39:40 AM)

here is the GOP response.....Fuqua helpfully notes that “This passage does not give parents blanket authority to kill their children.” Rather, parents would have to “follow the proper procedure in order to have the death penalty executed against their children.”

Nice to see you are not able to pull your GOP support no matter how insane their ideas




DaddySatyr -> RE: GOP supports Childhood death penalty (10/9/2012 10:45:21 AM)

There's a reason why some new ideas are called "slippery slopes". I don't support this (could you show me where I said that?). I just believe it was inevitable

Back in the seventies, we were warned that legalizing abortion would desensitize people to infanticide and filicide. The lefty "free thinkers" didn't listen. Your chickens have come home to roost.

As is always the case with the deceptive practices of lefties, things are done a degree at a time, when they know the end result will be a bitter pill to swallow.

You want to blame someone? Blame the dickhead Supreme Court that created law with Roe v. Wade and be on your merry way.

Off you go!



Peace and comfort,



Michael




SadistDave -> RE: GOP supports Childhood death penalty (10/9/2012 10:46:28 AM)

Daddysatyr, I think the point he wants to make is that this is an example of why we should be accepting of Islam.

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So why is it ok for the GOP to rule with the bible, but not ok for other countries to rule with their book of faith????


Basically, he's simply ferreted out an extremist Christian politician as a way to prove that we need to be more accepting of the pedophile prophet and his merry band of exploding jihadists.

-SD-




DaddySatyr -> RE: GOP supports Childhood death penalty (10/9/2012 10:50:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

Daddysatyr, I think the point he wants to make is that this is an example of why we should be accepting of Islam.

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So why is it ok for the GOP to rule with the bible, but not ok for other countries to rule with their book of faith????


Basically, he's simply ferreted out an extremist Christian politician as a way to prove that we need to be more accepting of the pedophile prophet and his merry band of exploding jihadists.

-SD-


I believe we should be accepting of Islam, if we define the word "accepting" as: "allowing it to take strong hold in certain countries so they kill themselves off and we just have to come in and clean up the last few"

Pardon me while I go turn off the spiggot.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




tazzygirl -> RE: GOP supports Childhood death penalty (10/9/2012 10:51:31 AM)

Not so extreme....

According to the Arkansas Times, Fuqua wrote:

The maintenance of civil order in society rests on the foundation of family discipline. Therefore, a child who disrespects his parents must be permanently removed from society in a way that gives an example to all other children of the importance of respect for parents. The death penalty for rebellious children is not something to be taken lightly. The guidelines for administering the death penalty to rebellious children are given in Deut 21:18-21:

This passage does not give parents blanket authority to kill their children. They must follow the proper procedure in order to have the death penalty executed against their children. I cannot think of one instance in the Scripture where parents had their child put to death. Why is this so? Other than the love Christ has for us, there is no greater love then [sic] that of a parent for their child. The last people who would want to see a child put to death would be the parents of the child. Even so, the Scripture provides a safe guard to protect children from parents who would wrongly exercise the death penalty against them. Parents are required to bring their children to the gate of the city. The gate of the city was the place where the elders of the city met and made judicial pronouncements. In other words, the parents were required to take their children to a court of law and lay out their case before the proper judicial authority, and let the judicial authority determine if the child should be put to death. I know of many cases of rebellious children, however, I cannot think of one case where I believe that a parent had given up on their child to the point that they would have taken their child to a court of law and asked the court to rule that the child be put to death. Even though this procedure would rarely be used, if it were the law of land, it would give parents authority. Children would know that their parents had authority and it would be a tremendous incentive for children to give proper respect to their parents.



Read more at ONTD Political: http://ontd-political.livejournal.com/10086734.html#ixzz28pDWxG2Y

And I have often thought parents lost the authority they had over children a long time ago.

In the same book, Fuqua advocated for expelling Muslims from the U.S., saying it would solve what he described as the "Muslim problem." Fuqua, who has been backed by the state GOP and is seeking a comeback, has found himself under attack by Republicans since his comments surfaced at the same time it was reported that state Rep. Jon Hubbard (R-Jonesboro) endorsed slavery in his book. Fuqua told the Associated Press that he was surprised by the reaction to his writings on Muslims.

To me, this is more of an extremist attitude.




mnottertail -> RE: GOP supports Childhood death penalty (10/9/2012 10:55:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

There's a reason why some new ideas are called "slippery slopes". I don't support this (could you show me where I said that?). I just believe it was inevitable

Back in the seventies, we were warned that legalizing abortion would desensitize people to infanticide and filicide. The lefty "free thinkers" didn't listen. Your chickens have come home to roost.

As is always the case with the deceptive practices of lefties, things are done a degree at a time, when they know the end result will be a bitter pill to swallow.

You want to blame someone? Blame the dickhead Supreme Court that created law with Roe v. Wade and be on your merry way.

Off you go!



Peace and comfort,



Michael



You are trampling your own jingos; no chickens are coming home to roost (very inept, and inapplicable at any rate) this is the republican imbecility eating their own.




Kanis36 -> RE: GOP supports Childhood death penalty (10/9/2012 11:15:54 AM)

I haven't really found need or use in posting up to this point but I have to here. Your post title "GOP supports Childhood death penalty" is very misleading. It makes use of the straw man fallacy, assuming ole Fuqua there speaks for the whole GOP. Now that we've covered the fact that you've lured me here under false pretenses, you get my opinion on the matter anyway. If you are willing to take a group of parables written by a bunch of nomadic bronze age "wise men" and govern a country by that book alone; discounting reason and logic you don't belong in office. Now that being said, if you want to take the few decent pieces of advice most holy books offer and make a judgement or law based on that, with consideration for the modern day, that's fine I'm not really here to stop you.

As far as the "murder of children" is concerned, this is hilariously close to an abortion thread anyway. When exactly is it okay to kill a child? a week after conception? a week before birth? at age six because the little bastard called me a meanie head? Do we really want to stand on opposite sides of the fence calling each other names and arguing on a topic that every fucking person on the planet has an opinion on that can't be swayed? I think anything involving the ending of a life, or potential life probably shouldn't be "debated" because no matter what science, or morals you bring to the table the other guy ain't gonna listen.

- Kanis




tazzygirl -> RE: GOP supports Childhood death penalty (10/9/2012 11:27:25 AM)

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a week after conception?


Thats not a child.

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a week before birth?


Illegal under the law unless the mothers life is at stake.

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Now that being said, if you want to take the few decent pieces of advice most holy books offer and make a judgement or law based on that, with consideration for the modern day, that's fine I'm not really here to stop you.



Here is the problem... not everyone will agree on this being decent. applicable or even reasonable.




mnottertail -> RE: GOP supports Childhood death penalty (10/9/2012 11:34:53 AM)

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 It makes use of the straw man fallacy, assuming ole Fuqua there speaks for the whole GOP.

 
That wouldn't be a strawman, but a hasty generalization, or a fallacy of composition....yanno;  a joe the plumber, or republicans are fiscally responsible




Marc2b -> RE: GOP supports Childhood death penalty (10/9/2012 11:45:03 AM)

I think we have found a response to those people who are against abortion even when the life of the mother is at stake... just tell them that the unborn child is disrespecting his mother (the nerve of him, threatening her like that).




Kanis36 -> RE: GOP supports Childhood death penalty (10/9/2012 11:47:16 AM)

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a week after conception?

Thats not a child.


Proof/Source Please?

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a week before birth?

Illegal under the law unless the mothers life is at stake.


I was speaking from a position of morality not legality. I am well aware that it is illegal unless the child is seriously risking the life of the mother, and even then it's removed via c-section.

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Now that being said, if you want to take the few decent pieces of advice most holy books offer and make a judgement or law based on that, with consideration for the modern day, that's fine I'm not really here to stop you.

Here is the problem... not everyone will agree on this being decent. applicable or even reasonable.


Again I spoke from the "I" position. I think the holy books are piles of trash to be ridiculed, BUT I realized that asking a politician to separate his faith from his decision making process isn't really feasible. I would just like to see that logic, reason, and consideration for the modern day included; instead of blind faith.


@mnottertail: You are 100% correct, I misspoke. It's been a few years since debate classes and I'm obviously a bit rusty. Thanks for the correction. (This is 100% legitimate and not sarcasm.)




mnottertail -> RE: GOP supports Childhood death penalty (10/9/2012 12:10:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kanis36

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a week after conception?

Thats not a child.


Proof/Source Please?



Life.  Viability.   AMA. Supreme Court.  More.  Myriad sources and proofs.

Even in morality, there is some issue if you are christian:

Take heed that you despise not one of these little ones; for I say to you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

And what, the baptism of the dead in 2nd corinthians.

Everybody is getting hooked up.




DomKen -> RE: GOP supports Childhood death penalty (10/9/2012 12:21:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

There's a reason why some new ideas are called "slippery slopes". I don't support this (could you show me where I said that?). I just believe it was inevitable

Back in the seventies, we were warned that legalizing abortion would desensitize people to infanticide and filicide. The lefty "free thinkers" didn't listen. Your chickens have come home to roost.

As is always the case with the deceptive practices of lefties, things are done a degree at a time, when they know the end result will be a bitter pill to swallow.

You want to blame someone? Blame the dickhead Supreme Court that created law with Roe v. Wade and be on your merry way.

Off you go!


Bullshit.

This has nothing to do with abortion. This guy opposes all abortions.

What he is is a Domioninist i.e. a wannabe theocrat. The exact sort of authoritarian scum the GOP has been cluthcing to their collective breats for the last 30 odd years. It is long past time for the conservative movement to own up to the theocratic and racist elements of American society that it has courted so assiduously.




Kanis36 -> RE: GOP supports Childhood death penalty (10/9/2012 12:34:32 PM)

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a week after conception?

Thats not a child.


Proof/Source Please?


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Life. 

Scientific documentation that is peer reviewed, proving "life" at two weeks please, ALSO scientific documentation that is peer reviewed saying "life" is the qualifier for being a child and not a fetus.
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Viability.  

Scientific documentation that is peer reviewed saying a two week fetus is viable, or not.
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AMA.

The whole of the AMA has a solid and unanimous ruling on the subject? Source, either ISBN# or Website link please.
quote:

Supreme Court.  

Links or reference numbers to the rulings please.
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More.  


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Myriad sources and proofs.

Anything else you have that presents either a peer reviewed scientific view point, or a case docket number for a legal ruling I would love to see.

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Even in morality, there is some issue if you are christian:

Take heed that you despise not one of these little ones; for I say to you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

And what, the baptism of the dead in 2nd corinthians.


That's with the assumption that I'm christian, OR that my christian sect is the same as yours. I could be some rare sectarian that believes that only the red word should be followed in the bible. Or maybe that the bible was written in such a way that the devil and god's actions should be reversed. Maybe I believe in context, both in the literature itself and historical?




mnottertail -> RE: GOP supports Childhood death penalty (10/9/2012 12:41:02 PM)

Read the Roe v Wade.

Life does not begin at conception or in some cases 'birth'. 


Viability outside the womb is not possible before 20 weeks, do your own fucking running, pal.  I aint hunting you up shit.

If you don't know the subject matter, then perhaps you shouldn't run your gambits out here.




Kanis36 -> RE: GOP supports Childhood death penalty (10/9/2012 12:44:24 PM)

If you ain't willin to "do the runnin'" don't jump into the debate bud. Debate requires proof of allegations or claims. If you can't do that, maybe you shouldn't make claims. - Kanis





mnottertail -> RE: GOP supports Childhood death penalty (10/9/2012 12:46:43 PM)

Is that a proof by buffoonery? I dont even think you understood what I said.  Please provide credible citations by authorities in concert with your extravagant claims.

Life is not viable before 20 weeks in womb (if then) google it, and look around you, see if everyone survives to adulthood.

End of joke.




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