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Gauge -> Impunity (6/13/2006 11:44:14 PM)

What the hell ever happened to responsibility? What ever happened to taking credit for being wrong? Why have we all taken the stance that personal responsibility is someone else's problem, not our own? I read an article the other day about a Massachusetts group that is suing Kellogg's and the TV channel Nickelodeon to get them to stop promoting junk foods in a marketing ploy aimed at children. Their contention is that Nickelodeon and Kellogg's use popular characters like Sponge Bob to promote junk foods ignoring the fact that child obesity is a growing problem in the USA. Have I missed something? I grew up with Tony The Tiger, The Pillsbury Doughboy, Choo-Choo Charlie, Toucan Sam, The Frito Bandito and various other product icons that do not come to mind. I remember many marketing promotions that had ties to popular films of the day and TV shows etc. The funny thing is, when I went to the grocery store with my parents and I asked for those foods, they said no. Getting one of those foods would be a huge treat that I would savor and enjoy, but it was not a dietary staple.

I was a skinny kid, and so were the majority of my friends. We didn't have Nintendo or X-Box... computers were only something we had seen in movies or comic books... and the Internet? Well... we had no idea what that was. We went outside to play with our friends, we ran around for hours and hours. We rode bikes, climbed trees and played baseball and football. The bottom line is, we were active kids. Sure we had things in our diet that weren't all that great, but they were the exception, not the rule. And our parents knew how to say no to us. Today it is different... very different. Parents don't have time to make dinner so fast food, even the kind you make at home, is a dietary staple. Kids are now electronically mesmerized by TV and video games. Hours and hours of their young lives are spent in front of something that provides no physical exertion other than pressing buttons. However this is the junk food companies and TV stations fault because kids are obese.

Suing McDonalds because they made you fat is just ridiculous. You should know that a double quarter pounder with cheese and a large fries and a large Coke are not good for you. You should understand that if you sit for hours, endlessly being fed mental candy by an electronic box that your health will be adversely affected. But no one wants to take responsibility for their part in their own poor health. Sadly this has become an epidemic.

A young rap star recently fatally shot himself with a pen gun. He thought the thing had malfunctioned and placed it against his head and pulled the trigger not once, but three times. Well, the third time was the charm and he killed himself. His mother came out and wanted pen guns outlawed afterward. Now, I agree that there is no reason for a pen gun to be owned by anyone, but it isn't the guns fault that her son is dead. It was the stupidity of the young man that killed him, he pulled the trigger three times... what exactly did he expect would happen if the gun went off? Responsibility. Call it what it is. It may be the ugly truth, but it IS the truth. Kids go and shoot up a high school and the first thing that is reported is that the kids listened to Marilyn Manson. He may be a freak, but he didn't influence the kids to kill others... the ones with the guns are the murderers, not a rock star.

More and more people skate through life with impunity. They point fingers at others in the hopes that they will not be held accountable for their own actions. It is quite sad that people cannot or will not be honest with themselves.



Kedikat -> RE: Impunity (6/14/2006 12:10:22 AM)

Yeah.
But if ya go round smackin lazy ass parents up side the head, you get sued too.
Imagine the generation by generation decline of the average human being. Dumb and dumber.

It is a sad twisted fact of survival of the fittest, that as we get some folks who are incredibly intelligent and motivated. It allows a greater number of idiots to get by being stupid, on the smart ones accomplishments.

Numbers will increase. The more intelligent folks tend to have less kids. They have other reasons to live their lives, and see the value of having just one or two that you can really care for well. It seems the dumber ones increase in numbers. Dumb being aside from just IQ or actual ability, but also how/if it is used

The cream rises to the top, but also helps the dregs get by with even less effort.

PLEASE: None of these are blanket statements. They are generalizations and somewhat logical conclusions. And observation.



Quivver -> RE: Impunity (6/14/2006 3:28:50 AM)

Gauge ..... One of my pet peeves has been how there is a HUGE lack of Integrityin this society we live in today.  That Impunity you speak of I think is just one by product.  Over time we've watched transactions go from a hand shake that we knew was good to having to read the small print.  We've become accustomed to accepting trap doors that are finely written.  As a society we've over extended looking for our Legal system to save our sorry Ass's when we cant produce, and again we've become accustomed to it, we begin to emulate out of self protection.  We want that instant gratification, feel we're entitled.  Even in being politically correct we've lost our edge in fear of saying the wrong thing so we've become silent. Actually this is one area I hold a potential Dom or Master to.  In my book if he lacks the Integrity I deem acceptable he's History............  



IronBear -> RE: Impunity (6/14/2006 6:06:05 AM)

If you add to this that the majority of most given popul;ations ate arthe best mediocre and that here in Australia wee suffer from the "Anti Tall Poppy Syndrome" in which the masses love to pull down and destroy the few with vision and drive to get ahead. Who betide them if they become pubilc for even more people will start to desire to destroy them. This is based very much on our history of having a large percentage of early settlers being convicts or from the lower society classes. This class mentality was most prevelent in Victoria, Australia when I was growing up with the average working class bloke automatically stepping off the foorpath to allow someone of a higher social status right of way and even touching their forlock and bowing their heads in greeting....here in Queensland we earn the righgt to have become the redneck capital of Australia so that if you wearn't born gere or have lived here most of your life, it doesn't matter what you do, who you are or what you have achieved, you are a nothing, a nobody and are ignored..... Good manners? Hahhh long gone especially with the younger generation. Chivilary? Yeah you will find it with the few of us who were taught it as kids and still believe in it or in groups like the SCA... Respect? yep you earn it. Locally you earn it not by being a great person who tries to do the right thing but as often as not with your fists and boots... I get respect locally because I earned it and with the local shit heads I have and still do, put the fear of god into them so that they know if the fuck with a certain Grizzly they may have me visitingthem at 2am and have something nasty with a 12 bore hole in it places with reasonable force into their mouth.... (There are usually drug dealers who kow better than to deal on my turf).

Given time, there will be a balance (if we dont blow our selved off the planet) and perhaps what will survive are a feww basic tenets of good manners and courticy....



pahunkboy -> RE: Impunity (6/14/2006 6:23:02 AM)

Im kinda hoping the group suing on junk food wins.

As a kid- I was out hiking, building tree houses etc..



Quivver -> RE: Impunity (6/14/2006 6:32:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Im kinda hoping the group suing on junk food wins.

As a kid- I was out hiking, building tree houses etc..


A Kid out Hiking and building Tree Houses today would have more in mind then we did back in the day.  Today, he would have to ask himself if he was tresspassing as he walked across someone's manicured lawn (remember the kid that got shot?) Or, it's possible that he wasnt even alowd out of his parents sight since that kid down the road came up missing.  A Tree House?  Like he'd have tools to use, supplies to build with?  Not to mention he might fall or worse yet be in some threatened species of Tree.... So it's off to McDonalds he goes instead, then home to snack on chips with a big glass of Soda where he's safe....
I think our problem is way past the food.............



lisa1978 -> RE: Impunity (6/14/2006 8:14:35 AM)

To me it is a combination of a law suit happy people, greed and political correctness. Personal responsability has gone out the window. Excuse making and justification of selfish and harmful actions go unchecked.

Children are born and not told no or that they cannot do something. Everything is always possible so your kid sits on the bench in a high school sport the coach is playing politics. Everything (at least in the U.S. is handed to them.). Cell phones, cars on their sixteenth birthday.

Sorry, getting to off track, we have become a society that has made everyone believe they are truly special in their own way. Therefore when things go wrong it is a logical step that it cannot be our fault. My kid is obese, fast food and not because the parent is to lazy to fix the kids actual meals. Terminated from my job, cannot be because I barely showed up, where do I sue.

Win win situation. Point blame somewhere else and maybe get some money for it. Personal responsability is a very rare trait.




FisherKing1963 -> RE: Impunity (6/14/2006 8:36:29 AM)

I have to go to the store...I'll be right back.

-FK63



juliaoceania -> RE: Impunity (6/14/2006 9:01:10 AM)

Obesity is a nationwide problem.. could it be they are putting stuff in there that makes you crave their shit food? If that is the case then it is addictive like ciggies. Hydrogenated oils are poisonous for example. Many of these additives were invented after you were a fully formed adult, and they didn't assault your body

I try to eat organic personally. I think that corporations should take responsibility for putting "all natural" on the labels of food that has corn syrup for example... everything is "low fat", "all natural" blah blah blah... when you read the labels it is filled with preservatives, colors, hyrogenated oils... YUCK. Maybe you should start assigning blame to corps that would as soon poison you and your children just to make a damn dollar....

God I can't stand it when people are so one-sided in how they assign responsibility for things. Like milk for example.. shit is FILLED with growth hormone that makes kids pass through puberty early, who knows what else it is doing to them.. most Americans are TOXIC.

Oh yeah.. blameless food producers... right. Ok, now you can go buy yourself a Pinto from the late seventies since you believe in corporate integrity



wild1cfl -> RE: Impunity (6/14/2006 9:26:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Gauge

More and more people skate through life with impunity. They point fingers at others in the hopes that they will not be held accountable for their own actions. It is quite sad that people cannot or will not be honest with themselves.



So very true, this is something that I know from the inside out. I have been sued before by a person just out to get money. She ate some crab cakes at a party that I was catering and there was some of the shell in the mix. While we carefully pick the shell out from the meat when we are preparing the crab cakes, there is always going to be a little bit in the mix, it is inevitable. So instead of being careful when eating them she was shoving them in her mouth like crazy and she choked on the shell. I came over and administered the Hiemlich manuever and forced the shell out of her mouth. I sat her down and made sure she was okay and after making sure there was someone there to watch her and make sure she was going to be all right I went back to catering the party.  I thought nothing more about it as I saw her return to the party and enjoy the rest of the evening with the hostess and the rest of the guest.  About 3 weeks later I get served with a summons for a lawsuit that named me and the hostess for serving improperly prepared food. She was sueing both of us for $250,000 each for her Dr. bills to be checked out, which was 3 days after the party, and for pain and suffering. Fortunately I had a great lawyer so when we walked into court he asked for dismissal and stated the grounds for dismissal and the judge agreed and even made the woman pay our legal fees and court cost due to filing a frivolous lawsuit. All I can say however is that I was one of the lucky ones.

Wild



OO8OO88O8 -> RE: Impunity (6/14/2006 9:57:59 AM)

On obesity I can offer a different look as I am on of those from this younger generation that defines the term, "apathy." I went all through high school and obese kids were everywhere and the sad part is no one even tried to say anything other than make jokes. No one seems to care, not the teachers, not the staff, not the parents, not the student himself.

It is the parent's fault, however at some point the child becomes old enough and expose to this information. That child can then make a choice to join athletics and put the twinkie down, or to stuff his face with it.

I never had the best mother and to this day we don't see eye to eye, but she never allowed me to sit around and do nothing. Snacks were a special treat and I played numerous sports.



Gauge -> RE: Impunity (6/14/2006 10:52:15 AM)

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God I can't stand it when people are so one-sided in how they assign responsibility for things. Like milk for example.. shit is FILLED with growth hormone that makes kids pass through puberty early, who knows what else it is doing to them.. most Americans are TOXIC.

Oh yeah.. blameless food producers... right. Ok, now you can go buy yourself a Pinto from the late seventies since you believe in corporate integrity


If you think that I am on the side of the corporations, you had better reread what I said. Who lets the kids eat like that? Who is ultimately to blame? My point is that my parents said 'no' in the grocery store to a lot of things that I wanted as a kid. Fast food was a treat, not a dietary staple. This group is blaming a TV station and a cartoon character for child obesity. I do not deny that child obesity is a problem, I am just saying that the people are more apt to place the blame elsewhere than to examine themselves first.

Things were not much different with regard to advertising and junk food when I was a kid. People blame Nintendo, computers and the Internet for the lack of activity in kids. Ummm... who made kids the parents? Why can't the parents control their children? Who permits the kids access to these items? Again, who is to blame? Nintendo?

My issue is personal responsibility, be it from a company or yourself (yourself being a general term and not specifically you). Place blame where it belongs and don't keep finding a scapegoat.




Moloch -> RE: Impunity (6/14/2006 11:02:01 AM)

McFatties, Carb-Free , low fat, organic?  What happended with putting the friggin spoon down?! All of a sudden its genetics or Thyroid desease, or something else, its all bullshit if you look at European countries MUCH less fat people.



MasterRenegade77 -> RE: Impunity (6/14/2006 11:22:28 AM)

I Agree with you100%



MasterRenegade77 -> RE: Impunity (6/14/2006 11:26:06 AM)

The facts you presented are so true but how does one stop it or has Life evolved to such a state that we're now trapped in this cycle forsever???



ShiftedJewel -> RE: Impunity (6/14/2006 2:07:09 PM)

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Obesity is a nationwide problem.. could it be they are putting stuff in there that makes you crave their shit food?


Yes, it's called sugar and caffeine. They've been around for hundreds of years. So has milk... and I believe that breast milk has a huge variety of hormones in it.. and it don't get much more natural then that.
 
The thing that makes people "crave" that "shit" food is because it tastes really good!! That's where self disipline comes in. Can't stop a kid from getting junk food at school? Why not... are they independently wealthy? Where does the money come from to buy the soda to begin with? And no, you don't have to send lunch money, you can pack a lunch with all the healthy foods you want them to eat. Ok, so they may borrow money from their friends to buy the junk food... again... are these other kids independantly wealthy? They'll get tired of loaning their money out eventually. It's an uphill battle, I know that, I raised a few kids (natural, step and foster... 13 in total). But to blame the issue on junk food, fast food and school cafeterias is just plain wrong.. there are way to many options out there for people once they decide to own the problem and deal with it.
 
Jewel



juliaoceania -> RE: Impunity (6/14/2006 2:21:04 PM)

They serve that crap at school. I had to take my son out of school to monitor what he ate to help him lose weight.. because he wasnt eating what I eat.

I will still say this... the food you think is ok is full of toxins. It slows your metabolism, it is killing you. Even the milk on your table is full of nasty shit that is making our kids fat. We were raised to think milk was good, right?

Now parents get the blame for not being PhDs in nutrition and for feeding their family the way they were fed... the food in the stores is largely corrupt. Most families both parents work two jobs just to buy the food, they rely on convenience foods which are full of chemicals... you do not have to go to McDonalds to get crap food, almost everything you buy in the store is laced with crap. The more I find out about preservatives. colors, and flavoring.. the more I shop at the farmer's market and cook my own food from scratch. Most parents do not have time to do as you suggest. I think that putting poison in food should be illegal, but the food and drug administration is largely ran by the corporations that they were originally set up to monitor.

It is really easy to blame parents, it is harder to go read the labels of the food you think is ok and realize no parent could possibly get it right. Everything from jam to peanut butter to salad dressing  is nothing but garbage. Maybe if corporations make no profit off poisoning us they would stop doing it. But I guess the nation is catching on to the fact companies like Pillsbury are killing us slowly and giving us diabetes and heart diseases.. Organics are becoming quite popular... Maybe these companies will kill all their customers and the people that do not shop at grocery stores will inherit the Earth?



wild1cfl -> RE: Impunity (6/14/2006 2:44:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Gauge

quote:

God I can't stand it when people are so one-sided in how they assign responsibility for things. Like milk for example.. shit is FILLED with growth hormone that makes kids pass through puberty early, who knows what else it is doing to them.. most Americans are TOXIC.

Oh yeah.. blameless food producers... right. Ok, now you can go buy yourself a Pinto from the late seventies since you believe in corporate integrity


If you think that I am on the side of the corporations, you had better reread what I said. Who lets the kids eat like that? Who is ultimately to blame? My point is that my parents said 'no' in the grocery store to a lot of things that I wanted as a kid. Fast food was a treat, not a dietary staple. This group is blaming a TV station and a cartoon character for child obesity. I do not deny that child obesity is a problem, I am just saying that the people are more apt to place the blame elsewhere than to examine themselves first.

Things were not much different with regard to advertising and junk food when I was a kid. People blame Nintendo, computers and the Internet for the lack of activity in kids. Ummm... who made kids the parents? Why can't the parents control their children? Who permits the kids access to these items? Again, who is to blame? Nintendo?

My issue is personal responsibility, be it from a company or yourself (yourself being a general term and not specifically you). Place blame where it belongs and don't keep finding a scapegoat.




My kids friends think it is crazy that their Father and Mother cook meals for them every night. McDonald's is a treat and only occasional choice. We would rather go to a restaurant close by where we know that the food is freshly prepared and they have excellent salads and grilled foods. We are not thin by any means, but we are healthy. My kids are tall and lean for their height. They would rather eat carrots, apples or oranges for a snack than chips and Doritos. You are right it is about Parents making choices when they are young and teaching them to eat responsibly. Knowing how to read a label on a can or jar and knowing what the names of the preservatives are. We also are politically active in trying to get food production companies to stop using as many chemicals in the processing of food. We may only be one voice, but each voice is only one by itself but with many others it becomes so much more, stand up and let us hear your voice, but lets not start suing everyone that is not the answer, be productive in helping corporations change the way they do business by speaking up.



ShiftedJewel -> RE: Impunity (6/14/2006 2:54:00 PM)

I don't want to be the bearer of bad news here but... life is killing us. If that is where you want to go then please... lets.
 
What is "killing" the little ones is, in most cases, the parents. Lets make sure they live in a totally germ free atmosphere, socialize as little as possible, sit in front of a screen and experience life via video games, television, movies and computers. Filter the air, the water and the input from outside sources. Live in a controlled environment and under NO circumstances allow free thought or imagination to come into the picture. What you have now created is person that has no real life experiences, no resistance to the solicitations of the aformentioned outside source, no resistance to the real world of germs, no matter how minor that germ is.
 
People are going to live and experience life, eventually, one way or another. There isn't anything anyone can do to stop that from happening and worrying about every little thing along the way is just neurotic... period. I could go out tomorrow and get hit by a train and all the "healthy" choices in my life wouldn't matter a fart in a hail storm. Never once in my life did I screw up and blame someone or something for it. And believe me... I've made screwing up an art. If eating fast food is making you fat.. well, STOP EATING IT!! But don't blame them for the lack of self control so many people suffer from. You don't think milk is healthy... don't drink it, but don't blame it for the weight gain. The only addicting properties in food is the one between the ears of the person eating it.
 
Jewel



LaTigresse -> RE: Impunity (6/14/2006 2:57:50 PM)

Aaaahhhh Jewel, I do so love reading your posts!! They make me smile and I always agree.



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