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DaddySatyr -> RE: Bullying? (10/21/2012 11:09:53 PM)

So ... "cuss" words are now a crime, also! Great. How do I start a movement to get "Political Correctness" to become a fucking curseword?



Peace and comfort,



Michael




littlewonder -> RE: Bullying? (10/21/2012 11:15:23 PM)

If that's true, I'm fucked. Oh, sorry.




metamorfosis -> RE: Bullying? (10/22/2012 2:55:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kaliko
...But taking it down to a child in a school system, you're... talking about the ability to provide the same educational environment for all within a school. If a child has insults hurled at him as he walks into school, then his ability to learn is hampered by reaction to something that's happening within the school's control and is directed solely at him.

...So these are two different things. The world...and the school.


Well, at the risk of sounding argumentative again, I have to disagree. This isn't a question of the world versus the school, it's a question of the weak versus the strong. What I mean is... college students may attend school, but they are not protected from bullying. The difference is their age and, consequently, their supposed level of mental and emotional fitness. Likewise, children are legally protected from verbal abuse not only at school but at home as well. The elderly are protected, the disabled are protected. Minorities are protected against abuses of power by management, and by society. In short, many who are especially vulnerable and at high risk for being bullied... are being legally protected from it.

Pam




DaddySatyr -> RE: Bullying? (10/22/2012 3:34:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: metamorfosis
Well, at the risk of sounding argumentative again, I have to disagree. This isn't a question of the world versus the school, it's a question of the weak versus the strong. What I mean is... college students may attend school, but they are not protected from bullying. The difference is their age and, consequently, their supposed level of mental and emotional fitness. Likewise, children are legally protected from verbal abuse not only at school but at home as well. The elderly are protected, the disabled are protected. Minorities are protected against abuses of power by management, and by society. In short, many who are especially vulnerable and at high risk for being bullied... are being legally protected from it.

Pam



Yeah, we need lots more cradle-to-grave, big-brother-take-care-of-us laws.

What we really need is to stop raising a society of victims-waiting-to-happen. Yes, there are some children who will always be a little weaker than others and that's where people, teaching their children to look out for others; you know ... good, old-fashioned human courtesy principles?

I think, if I could be arsed to go look up numbers, I'd be able to show you that we've actually had an increase in teen suicide since we started this kinder-gentler, mamby-pamby, zero-tolerance bullshit way of raising our youth.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




Zonie63 -> RE: Bullying? (10/22/2012 5:18:02 AM)

Here's a case of a mother getting into a fight with one bully who was tormenting her son: http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/274573/19/Cops-Mom-attacks-teen-at-bus-stop-for-bullying-her-son

Then, here's a woman from New Jersey who was arrested after allegedly getting on a school bus and yelling and slapping some boys who were bothering her daughter: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/nj-mom-charged-with-slapping-4th-graders-she-says-bullied-girl-9-grandma-accused-of-yelling/2012/10/21/c8c2b7e6-1be5-11e2-8817-41b9a7aaabc7_story.html


quote:

Sardoni said her daughter is upset and nervous about going to school Monday. She said she’s considering sending her daughter to a new school but knows for sure that the girl won’t be taking the bus anymore.

“It’s crazy that this got blown into me doing something wrong — me and my family — when this is my daughter that is the victim,” Sardoni told the AP.

Sardoni said she took matters into her own hands after school officials ignored complaints that her daughter, who is also in fourth-grade, had been verbally and physically bullied by four students.


I suppose this might be one way of dealing with bullying.




JstAnotherSub -> RE: Bullying? (10/22/2012 3:27:20 PM)

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I suppose this might be one way of dealing with bullying.


Fight bullying with bullying! We should get that printed on a t shirt.

last week was our anti bullying kick off week. Every day had a theme, Friday there was a pep rally in the gym to get everyone revved up to stop bullying.

We use the Olweus
system, and it has seemed to make a difference. Class meetings are held weekly, and students are encouraged to talk about anything they feel is bullying.

This has been an interesting thread for me to read. Working with kids, I like to think I am a sensitive kind of chickie, who will defend them against anything, especially bullying.

I guess we all have our own lines we draw about this. It was interesting to see what others think, and it has given me some things to think about, but, all in all, my feelings are still like they were when I started this thread.

That may change in time. Who knows, but either way, thanks for sharing your thoughts.




godmonger666 -> RE: Bullying? (10/23/2012 1:13:50 AM)


bullying happens here, and other places online as well
hmmm, is that such a surprise?

nah, not really

its just human nature.




Aswad -> RE: Bullying? (10/24/2012 1:55:11 AM)

The so-far most effective approach to deal with bullying in my school district was pioneered by Ø. Bjørndal, a teacher from around these parts, so, I will very loosely translate an op-ed piece about it from a local paper.

Note that this was (is?) a man that chose to become a teacher because he knew he had a responsibility to the rest of us to impart those life lessons that some parents fail to, and to ensure academic excellence. A man with a background in the navy and as a boxer in his younger years. A man that, on shore leave during the US Civil Rights movement, not only sat in the black seats of the segregated buses as a show of solidarity, but defiantly told the police where to shove it when they came to order him into a white seat, earning him a beating and an arrest, neither of which deterred him, instead reinforcing what he knew all along: that it wasn't right. And doing the right thing mattered to him. Deeply so.

This, then, is my poor rendition of a story by someone that knew this man far better than I.

Here goes:

quote:


There's a knock on the door of the 9B auditorium. They're about halfway through a language class. Outside, the main teacher. When they see him, they stand up straight. He has that effect on people†. They realize there has to be an important reason why he's interrupting another teacher's courses.

«I'll be speaking with Aaron, Peter, Lisa, Ingrid, Gary and Tina. Join me in the conference room right away.»

The named students exchange puzzled looks, get up and leave the class.

«Be seated,» the main teacher says as they enter the conference room, «and listen closely.»

«Elsa wasn't in school yesterday. Nor today. She's at home. She's too upset to turn up. I just got off the phone with her mother, who tells me she's been like this the whole semester.» The students look from the teacher to each other and back. This isn't news to them. «Elsa isn't turning up, because she can't handle being here. She hates it.» he says, «This is your responsibility.»

«Us? But we've never...» Lisa starts, but is quickly cut off.

«No, no... none of you have been bullying Elsa. You're not the ones making fun of her in class, pushing her around, mocking her appearance and so forth. That's Ron and Edgar. No, your fault lies with not doing anything to stop it. The one thing you all have in common is that you're the most respected pupils in the class, whether for your athletics, your grades or just your popularity. There are none more powerful than you in that class. But you choose only to bask in it, when you could use it to stop Elsa from being bullied by those that need someone weaker than themselves to pick on. You don't use it to secure her a place in this class.» he says, «It's pathetic, really, and I'm disappointed in you.»

The students avert their eyes, uneasy now.

«I expect you to behave responsibly. Starting now.» he says, pounding the table for emphasis, «I want the six of you to sort things out and put a stop to this. And you'll do so without telling anyone about this conversation. It stays between us, and may the gods have mercy on your souls if I hear so much of a peep of this outside this room.»

A few days later, in a class, Edgar has pushed a weak teacher into having Elsa read a piece for the class. She's blushing furously and stuttering, unable to say a word. Ron laughs out loud while shaking his head. Then Aaron, the number one jock in the class, gets up. Turns around, pointing at Ron. «You, fuckwit! You shut your trap. We clear?»

Ron shuts up good. He's got the message, in words he can understand, by an authority he can relate to.

The small group of pupils from the conference room never talked about their encounter with a man they respected and listened to. They just try to influence things where they can. The pressure on Elsa diminishes, bit by bit, but the pupils aren't particularly proud. The rest of their lives, they wish they'd shouldered their share of the burden sooner.

I know this, because I was in the conference room that day. I sat there and listened to a now legendary teacher that the whole class respected deeply and sincerely, as he awakened us to our responsibilities after that semester of neglect on our part. I've thought about it many times since, the method. Simple, yet surprisingly effective. You don't easily forget such a reminder, and it does something about how you view responsibility the rest of your life.

Elsa may thank him that her burden diminished over time. But those of us in that room may well have even greater cause to thank him.


And, just so we're clear, his classes, in all subjects, consistently scored the best in the nation on the grade calibration tests.

You could do worse than entrusting your kids to this man, or becoming him.

Except for his politics, anyway. [:D]

IWYW,
— Aswad.

† He most certainly does have that effect on people.




Duskypearls -> RE: Bullying? (10/24/2012 2:30:03 AM)

Aswad, I like that approach best of all. It teaches/inspires responsible "group mind." Well done.




godmonger666 -> RE: Bullying? (10/24/2012 2:23:55 PM)


why the obsession about schools?
bullying takes place at workplaces, online, homeless shelters, churches, facebook, collarme, fetlife, any place online or in person there is a chance of bullying; just a fact; i never ignore facts.




ScarletKissesx -> RE: Bullying? (10/24/2012 2:46:15 PM)

Clearly you do as bullying starts a majority of the time in the school where we all learn our first set of social skills.




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