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descrite -> RE: Bullying? (10/18/2012 1:22:01 PM)

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No, any words could potentially be seen as bullying, depending on who hears/reads them. Whether those words/behavior is seen as illegal depends on whether the courts see them that way. Do you also see that as arbitrary and ambiguous?


That's...my point. Yes, it is arbitrary and ambiguous. I don't want a court deciding which are "good" and "bad" words-- the point of having rights (particularly free speech) is so that nobody else decides for me what words I can use.

I don't think you do, either. There are plenty of people in this country who think that discussing kinky sex, or sex at all, should be outlawed, because it might influence their kiddies.


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My 10 yo child has Asberger's and does not have the social skills nor the developmental ability to fight back, let alone recognize in verbal bullying situations that he's being bullied (those incidents were witnessed by adults and reported, thank goodness).



And yet you put him among other 10 year-olds. So instead of expecting 10 year-olds to behave as 10 year-olds, we want to constrain their expression to that suitable for a 10 year-old with Asperger's.

Do you see anything wrong with that?

Check out that Heinlein quote, again.




crazyml -> RE: Bullying? (10/18/2012 2:11:17 PM)

Sorry... I'm sure I'm misunderstanding something here... You're not intentionally criticising a parent for a) wanting her child to be educated in the mainstream b) having an issue with same child being bullied?

Seriously?



hausboy -> RE: Bullying? (10/18/2012 4:54:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: hausboy
But you want to talk "pussification" Michael? Bullies are fucking pussies--not the kids they pick on. Bullies who don't have the fucking balls to take someone on one on one--they bring 5 or 6 friends with them....or they strike when your back is turned.


You missed my point but having interected with you, before, I doubt it was accidental. I was NOT calling children who are bullied "pussies" but, crack on, mate. If it makes you feel better.



Peace and comfort,



Michael


actually, I don't know what you're referring to--I don't recall us "interacting" in the past. And obviously I did miss your point. what did you mean then by the "Pussification" of America?



hausboy -> RE: Bullying? (10/18/2012 5:00:24 PM)

Descrite--

in the public school system here, not all kids qualify for the schools that specialize in kids with developmental disabilities. In my nephew's case, he is fairly high functioning now (thanks to the meds he takes) and the school has an written plan to accommodate his physical needs/learning needs. Most of his biggest challenges are social interaction with others--the special needs schools here are for those who have more profound developmental and intellectual challenges. my guess is that if the problems continue, his parents will have to find a way to finance private school, although that's no guarantee that he'll do better there.



kalikshama -> RE: Bullying? (10/18/2012 5:23:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: hausboy
But you want to talk "pussification" Michael? Bullies are fucking pussies--not the kids they pick on. Bullies who don't have the fucking balls to take someone on one on one--they bring 5 or 6 friends with them....or they strike when your back is turned.


You missed my point but having interected with you, before, I doubt it was accidental. I was NOT calling children who are bullied "pussies" but, crack on, mate. If it makes you feel better.

Peace and comfort,

Michael


Perhaps you'd like to clarify your vagina comment then?

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4268711

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I was bullied for a little while too. Know what I did? I wiped the sand out of my vagina and popped one of the mother fuckers in his mush.

Job done. We're teaching our kids to be spineless victims. Woe be tide us.



DaddySatyr -> RE: Bullying? (10/18/2012 5:27:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hausboy
actually, I don't know what you're referring to--I don't recall us "interacting" in the past. And obviously I did miss your point. what did you mean then by the "Pussification" of America?


I wasn't trying to "blame" the children being bullied for being pussies. I was blaming the adults who have decided that teaching children to stand up for themselves is a bad thing. That's what I meant by the "pussification".

We've turned our society into a bunch of erst-while victims, looking for a bad guy to blame their lot in life upon (and sue those who can afford to be sued) instead of teaching them that at the end of the day, you can only count on yourself, your family (and not always them) and maybe a few close friends. After that, no one gives a stuff about your problems.

That's not to say that a majority of us don't want world hunger to go away or gays to be able to marry. It means that when we balance those things against our own issues, we want our issues sorted, first. It's human nature.

I don't blame the children who are being bullied. I blame the people who are supposed to be educating them (both at home and at school) for giving them an unrealistic expectation of a Utopian society that doesn't exist.

If you want to get anywhere in this world, you'll have to "fight" your way through. True enough, as we become adults, hopefully physical violence isn't part of that fight but, as little children, it always has been and always will be.

I understand you not remembering our previous interaction, you were pretty dismissive to me but, in fairness to you, I find that happens quite a bit, around here when someone has the unmitigated gall to express an unpopular opinion.



Peace and comfort,



Michael



kalikshama -> RE: Bullying? (10/18/2012 5:33:27 PM)

Yes, I believe you put me on Hide after I called you out on your use of "Femi-Nazi." Do we have to have a similar conversation about the use of the word "pussy" or will you just agree to confine it to female anatomy and cease to use it for a synonym for "wimp" or other derogatory words?



kitkat105 -> RE: Bullying? (10/18/2012 5:36:01 PM)

OH MY GOD!! I GET IT!


Sheesh.. how was I not understanding that no matter how severely you are being bullied, you MUST stand up for yourself! It doesn't matter if you are being physically, emotionally or sexuallty threatened by your bullies, just stand up to them, all will be fine!


Thanks for the clarification. Maybe you should write a pamphlet to hand out in schools?

Face. Desk.



JanahX -> RE: Bullying? (10/18/2012 5:36:02 PM)

Any more - in this day and age, its a great way to get shot.



kalikshama -> RE: Bullying? (10/18/2012 5:40:30 PM)

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OH MY GOD!! I GET IT!


Shh, lest you be deemed unladylike and put on Hide.



DaddySatyr -> RE: Bullying? (10/18/2012 5:43:10 PM)

. o 0 (and the CCC sharks circle)



hausboy -> RE: Bullying? (10/18/2012 5:44:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr



I wasn't trying to "blame" the children being bullied for being pussies. I was blaming the adults who have decided that teaching children to stand up for themselves is a bad thing. That's what I meant by the "pussification".


I don't blame the children who are being bullied. I blame the people who are supposed to be educating them (both at home and at school) for giving them an unrealistic expectation of a Utopian society that doesn't exist.


I understand you not remembering our previous interaction, you were pretty dismissive to me but, in fairness to you, I find that happens quite a bit, around here when someone has the unmitigated gall to express an unpopular opinion.Michael



I agree that the educators and parents hold some responsibility--but not because they don't give their kids realistic expectations-- teachers who ignore bullying and allow it to happen share the burden of responsibility, and more importantly, the parents who failed to do their job as parents in instilling decent values in their kids. (those parents who raise bullies) AND those parents who don't support and help their kids who are dealing with it.

I'm sorry that you were so offended by some exchange that was obviously significant to you..and clearly less so to me. Ironic, actually. Perhaps you should...how did you put it? Wipe the sand out and get over it?



DaddySatyr -> RE: Bullying? (10/18/2012 5:47:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hausboy
I'm sorry that you were so offended by some exchange that was obviously significant to you..and clearly less so to me. Ironic, actually. Perhaps you should...how did you put it? Wipe the sand out and get over it?


The fact that I have engaged with you, at all, on this thread shows that I already have.

I ignore people who accuse me of horrid things or who mis-represent my positions to advance their own agend (called "strawman") or who engage in name-calling. I have not accused you of that yet but, once again, crack on, if that makes you feel superior.



Peace and comfort,



Michael



hausboy -> RE: Bullying? (10/18/2012 5:50:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: hausboy
I'm sorry that you were so offended by some exchange that was obviously significant to you..and clearly less so to me. Ironic, actually. Perhaps you should...how did you put it? Wipe the sand out and get over it?


The fact that I have engaged with you, at all, on this thread shows that I already have.

I ignore people who accuse me of horrid things or who mis-represent my positions to advance their own agend (called "strawman") or who engage in name-calling. I have not accused you of that yet but, once again, crack on, if that makes you feel superior.



Peace and comfort,



Michael


and yet...you keep dwelling on it....



dcnovice -> RE: Bullying? (10/18/2012 5:51:59 PM)

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(and the CCC sharks circle)

How does the Civilian Conservation Corps fit into this? It ended in 1942. [:)]



DaddySatyr -> RE: Bullying? (10/18/2012 5:58:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hausboy
and yet...you keep dwelling on it....



Here we go, again. I believe I mentioned it in direct response to something you said but, that's okay. We're getting to the meat of it. I feel like I'm being bullied. Maybe I should go report this to a moderator? No. I will just give you and your posts their due attention.

We're done, here, "sir".



kalikshama -> RE: Bullying? (10/18/2012 5:59:36 PM)

CCC
Abbreviation for Cooking, Cleaning, and Children; the only things that women should be doing with their lives





hausboy -> RE: Bullying? (10/18/2012 6:03:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: hausboy
and yet...you keep dwelling on it....



Here we go, again. I believe I mentioned it in direct response to something you said but, that's okay. We're getting to the meat of it. I feel like I'm being bullied. Maybe I should go report this to a moderator? No. I will just give you and your posts their due attention.

We're done, here, "sir".


I still have no idea what post you keep bringing up (although, I can't say I actually care)
your cute little " "...how sweet, "miss".

Feel to report what horrible bullying you seem to believe I have done to you on this thread.... or go play in the P & R sandbox, where we all know everyone plays so civilly.



DaddySatyr -> RE: Bullying? (10/18/2012 6:14:13 PM)

. o 0 (So often, irony is lost in text communication)

Anyway, I think I saw something to the affect that this wasn't really a case of bullying so much as stalking by an ADULT predator. That changes things quite a bit for me:

To expect children to be able to defend themselves against adults that are extremely more "world wise" than those children are is insane. I do feel bad for anyone who feels driven to the point of suicide but, I also know that for some people, it almost seems like it was pre-destined.

Last March, a dear friend of mine ended his life. I was devasted, even though he had made passing comments about just that thing.

At the memorial service, I had a chance to speak with his mother and something she said really struck me: "I always knew this would be how Xxxx left us."

I thought that was a bit strange but the more I talked to her and the more I thought about it, I realized she was right. There are any number of people that you just know that's where they're headed. Jim Morrison, that young lady that just died, a couple of years back? A singer. I can't think of her name. For some reason, life is just to painful/difficult/complicated for them to deal with. They're a very small percentage of the population and one could argue that you are always going to have occasional people that fall outside "the norm". I'm sure we're all pretty familiar with that?

But, no, this case seems to be a case of a child being stalked by an adult and that is never okay and I would fully support any law that actually removes that type of behavior (or the stalkers, themselves, of course) from our society.



Peace and comfort,



Michael



DaddySatyr -> RE: Bullying? (10/18/2012 6:15:31 PM)

grrrrrrrrrr I hit "quote instead of "edit"



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