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Add The Koch Brothers To The Assholes Holding Our Econo... - 10/14/2012 7:54:37 PM   
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RE: Add The Koch Brothers To The Assholes Holding Our E... - 10/14/2012 9:02:42 PM   
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Or we can place the blame where it belongs, with the guy who has been killing jobs for the last three and a half years.

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RE: Add The Koch Brothers To The Assholes Holding Our E... - 10/14/2012 10:36:34 PM   
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Or we can place the blame where it belongs, with the guy who has been killing jobs for the last three and a half years.

Pretty clearly what O59 is doing.

Charles and David Koch finance the tea party which served to push the Republican Party base into a fantasy land where compromise is seen as wrong. This has been killing jobs for the last 3 and a half years.

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RE: Add The Koch Brothers To The Assholes Holding Our E... - 10/15/2012 4:24:41 AM   
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Or we can place the blame where it belongs, with the guy who has been killing jobs for the last three and a half years.

Pretty clearly what O59 is doing.
Charles and David Koch finance the tea party which served to push the Republican Party base into a fantasy land where compromise is seen as wrong. This has been killing jobs for the last 3 and a half years.


For the first 2 of those 3-1/2 years, "compromise" was the Democrats saying "We say, you do." You can't seriously think that the Republicans are at fault for the failure of the first 2 years of Obama's presidency. If you'd like to add into that the Democrats ran the Legislature for 2 years prior to the last 3-1/2 years...

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RE: Add The Koch Brothers To The Assholes Holding Our E... - 10/15/2012 5:15:28 AM   
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Or we can place the blame where it belongs, with the guy who has been killing jobs for the last three and a half years.

Pretty clearly what O59 is doing.

Charles and David Koch finance the tea party which served to push the Republican Party base into a fantasy land where compromise is seen as wrong. This has been killing jobs for the last 3 and a half years.


Given that the fantasyland values were around on the lunatic wing of the Republican party long before there was a tea party, those values have been killing jobs for a lot longer than three years, Ken.

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RE: Add The Koch Brothers To The Assholes Holding Our E... - 10/15/2012 5:35:01 AM   
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For the first 2 of those 3-1/2 years, "compromise" was the Democrats saying "We say, you do." You can't seriously think that the Republicans are at fault for the failure of the first 2 years of Obama's presidency. If you'd like to add into that the Democrats ran the Legislature for 2 years prior to the last 3-1/2 years...



Sure he can, he's a true believer of the highest order. In the world according to Ken, there is no such thing as a right conservative, he's all about the socialism.

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RE: Add The Koch Brothers To The Assholes Holding Our E... - 10/15/2012 8:29:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: subrob1967
Or we can place the blame where it belongs, with the guy who has been killing jobs for the last three and a half years.

Pretty clearly what O59 is doing.
Charles and David Koch finance the tea party which served to push the Republican Party base into a fantasy land where compromise is seen as wrong. This has been killing jobs for the last 3 and a half years.


For the first 2 of those 3-1/2 years, "compromise" was the Democrats saying "We say, you do." You can't seriously think that the Republicans are at fault for the failure of the first 2 years of Obama's presidency. If you'd like to add into that the Democrats ran the Legislature for 2 years prior to the last 3-1/2 years...


What "failure" do you speak of in the first two years? Failure not to let us fall off the cliff?

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RE: Add The Koch Brothers To The Assholes Holding Our E... - 10/15/2012 8:45:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: subrob1967
Or we can place the blame where it belongs, with the guy who has been killing jobs for the last three and a half years.

Pretty clearly what O59 is doing.
Charles and David Koch finance the tea party which served to push the Republican Party base into a fantasy land where compromise is seen as wrong. This has been killing jobs for the last 3 and a half years.

For the first 2 of those 3-1/2 years, "compromise" was the Democrats saying "We say, you do." You can't seriously think that the Republicans are at fault for the failure of the first 2 years of Obama's presidency. If you'd like to add into that the Democrats ran the Legislature for 2 years prior to the last 3-1/2 years...


You really have no clue what the word 'compromise' means. During that time, there existed enough ways and means to undermine any action. And as history reports, Republicans used every trick in the book (including inventing new ones) to stall, hinder, delay and oh yes, stop things from happening in goverment. If you are THIS ignorant of US History, you have no business trying to lecture anyone else on US politics. Since, if you feel what the Democrats did was so bad, by all means, show justification to the Republican Party of 2001. They used fear, to push much of their desires on the American people. It was "9/11 this...." and "9/11 that....". They used the fear of "We either fight them there or they will fight us here." as a great tool. Heck, Republicans even tried to justify the use of torture! TORTURE!?!?!?!?!?! You have no problem with that concept, but are all up in arms over a concept of 'compromise'?

I suspect if Democrats retook the House, held the Senate (which is likely) and the White House (even more likely), they will be less in the mood to do any business with Republicans. Lets not forget that Republicans were asked on the ACA the point blank question: "What needs to be in this bill for you to vote 'yes' on it"? Republicans gave eight things to which the Democrats grumbled but added to the final bill. What did the Republicans do after that? Voted 'No' on it. Than, back in last August of 2011, Congress couldnt come to agreement on the budget. A 'Super Committee' was created that held if they did not reach an agreement that $1.2 trillion would be automatically removed from the budget. The Republicans played their little childish games (like they did on the budget debates in the House and Senate before the Super Committee), demanding Democrats kneel down and obey their wishs. Democrats came half way, and Republicans failed to even show up. Now in 'todays' politics, Republicans are trying even still to not be forced to honor that agreement in good faith.

Your bitching at Democrats for at least doing business in good faith, while turning a blind eye to how and what the Republican Party has done (and still doing) even today? You want better goverment? Hold your own party to twice the level of accountibility and responsibility as you slam the Democrats on an hourly basis. But I and everyone else knows, you just cant do that. To much effort, to much work, to much 'thinking for yourself'.

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RE: Add The Koch Brothers To The Assholes Holding Our E... - 10/15/2012 10:00:37 AM   
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You really have no clue what the word 'compromise' means. During that time, there existed enough ways and means to undermine any action. And as history reports, Republicans used every trick in the book (including inventing new ones) to stall, hinder, delay and oh yes, stop things from happening in goverment. If you are THIS ignorant of US History, you have no business trying to lecture anyone else on US politics. Since, if you feel what the Democrats did was so bad, by all means, show justification to the Republican Party of 2001. They used fear, to push much of their desires on the American people. It was "9/11 this...." and "9/11 that....". They used the fear of "We either fight them there or they will fight us here." as a great tool. Heck, Republicans even tried to justify the use of torture! TORTURE!?!?!?!?!?! You have no problem with that concept, but are all up in arms over a concept of 'compromise'?

I suspect if Democrats retook the House, held the Senate (which is likely) and the White House (even more likely), they will be less in the mood to do any business with Republicans. Lets not forget that Republicans were asked on the ACA the point blank question: "What needs to be in this bill for you to vote 'yes' on it"? Republicans gave eight things to which the Democrats grumbled but added to the final bill. What did the Republicans do after that? Voted 'No' on it. Than, back in last August of 2011, Congress couldnt come to agreement on the budget. A 'Super Committee' was created that held if they did not reach an agreement that $1.2 trillion would be automatically removed from the budget. The Republicans played their little childish games (like they did on the budget debates in the House and Senate before the Super Committee), demanding Democrats kneel down and obey their wishs. Democrats came half way, and Republicans failed to even show up. Now in 'todays' politics, Republicans are trying even still to not be forced to honor that agreement in good faith.

Your bitching at Democrats for at least doing business in good faith, while turning a blind eye to how and what the Republican Party has done (and still doing) even today? You want better goverment? Hold your own party to twice the level of accountibility and responsibility as you slam the Democrats on an hourly basis. But I and everyone else knows, you just cant do that. To much effort, to much work, to much 'thinking for yourself'.




Let's see... President Obama has a long record of voting present, or not voting at all during his years of government service. If Obama doesn't care about the issue, he just dosen't bother showing up to vote. President Obama was supposed to be the uniter, able to work with both parties, and heal the country. President Obama's own Speaker of the House is alleged to mute him on confrence calls and ignore his imput. President Obama couldn't even get his own Senate Majority Leader to vote for his proposed budget, let alone anyone else in his Senate.

Now the other side of the coin...

Mitt Romney not only crossed the aisle and worked with Democrats in Mass, he ended the corruption in the USOC, and suceeded in fixing the SL Olympic games, and has made multi millions running a extremely sucessful business.

Go ahead and continue to support the empty chair.

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RE: Add The Koch Brothers To The Assholes Holding Our E... - 10/15/2012 10:13:58 AM   
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None of it true.  But how about those republican budgets nobody would vote for.

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RE: Add The Koch Brothers To The Assholes Holding Our E... - 10/15/2012 11:22:35 AM   
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None of it true.  But how about those republican budgets nobody would vote for.


You're a liar.


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RE: Add The Koch Brothers To The Assholes Holding Our E... - 10/15/2012 11:29:43 AM   
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Yeah, your credible citations, as well as the reality that there is no republican budget that has been implemented (other than ad hoc borrow and spend, with raises in the debt ceiling to historic levels)  in the last two years would draw out those lies wouldn't it?


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RE: Add The Koch Brothers To The Assholes Holding Our E... - 10/15/2012 1:26:29 PM   
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Or we can place the blame where it belongs, with the guy who has been killing jobs for the last three and a half years.

Pretty clearly what O59 is doing.
Charles and David Koch finance the tea party which served to push the Republican Party base into a fantasy land where compromise is seen as wrong. This has been killing jobs for the last 3 and a half years.


For the first 2 of those 3-1/2 years, "compromise" was the Democrats saying "We say, you do." You can't seriously think that the Republicans are at fault for the failure of the first 2 years of Obama's presidency. If you'd like to add into that the Democrats ran the Legislature for 2 years prior to the last 3-1/2 years...

Do you not know tht one of the reasons the bill that became Obamacare moved through congress so slowly was because the Democratic leadership sought Republican input at every stage? Maybe you forgot the Koch brothers financing of the groups that disrupted Congressional town halls where the elected officials sought their constitutients input on the bill? Maybe you forgot 'death panels' and 'keep the government's hands off Medicare'?

Or maybe you are a prime example of what I'm talking about. The Democratic party bent over backwards seeking Republican input on the absolutely needed health insurance reform and all they got from the GOP was 'kill the bill' and lies. Fundamentally the bill as passed was a Republican plan, proposed by numerous Republicans including Bob Dole in the 1990's. The same thing applies to the cap and trade legislation that we needed to begin controlling CO2 releases but again, an immently reasonable and conservative solution was rejected and lied about by the Republicans.

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RE: Add The Koch Brothers To The Assholes Holding Our E... - 10/15/2012 2:23:11 PM   
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Do you not know tht one of the reasons the bill that became Obamacare moved through congress so slowly was because the Democratic leadership sought Republican input at every stage?


They tried to get the R's to compromise in the way I stated. They did that at every turn.

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Maybe you forgot the Koch brothers financing of the groups that disrupted Congressional town halls where the elected officials sought their constitutients input on the bill?


Got proof that all those town halls were disrupted by Koch money?

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Maybe you forgot 'death panels' and 'keep the government's hands off Medicare'?

IPAB. $716B taken out of Medicare (allegedly all from "wasteful" spending) and used to fun the rest of Obamacare.

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Or maybe you are a prime example of what I'm talking about. The Democratic party bent over backwards seeking Republican input on the absolutely needed health insurance reform and all they got from the GOP was 'kill the bill' and lies.


Bullshit. They didn't bend over backwards. They didn't honestly discuss anything the R's brought to the table.

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Fundamentally the bill as passed was a Republican plan, proposed by numerous Republicans including Bob Dole in the 1990's. The same thing applies to the cap and trade legislation that we needed to begin controlling CO2 releases but again, an immently reasonable and conservative solution was rejected and lied about by the Republicans.


That the plan originated in the Party of R doesn't mean anything about it being good or not.

CO2 emissions have been dropping in the US as global emissions continue to rise. Global warming hasn't been happening as CO2 has been rising, either. But, let's not quibble over those facts, okay?

If the R's weren't going to play ball, the D's could have pretty much passed whatever they wanted in those first two years anyway. And, they didn't.


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RE: Add The Koch Brothers To The Assholes Holding Our E... - 10/15/2012 2:25:41 PM   
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What "failure" do you speak of in the first two years? Failure not to let us fall off the cliff?


Failures!



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RE: Add The Koch Brothers To The Assholes Holding Our E... - 10/15/2012 2:30:03 PM   
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Of course, Conservatives are great for letting others do their thinking for them.

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RE: Add The Koch Brothers To The Assholes Holding Our E... - 10/15/2012 2:40:00 PM   
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Of course, Conservatives are great for letting others do their thinking for them.


Amazing rebuttal! I have no response to the amazing wordsmithing you have shown!

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RE: Add The Koch Brothers To The Assholes Holding Our E... - 10/15/2012 2:48:42 PM   
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Good, is getting old making you look silly

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RE: Add The Koch Brothers To The Assholes Holding Our E... - 10/15/2012 3:49:23 PM   
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Do you not know tht one of the reasons the bill that became Obamacare moved through congress so slowly was because the Democratic leadership sought Republican input at every stage?


They tried to get the R's to compromise in the way I stated. They did that at every turn.

You're kidding right? The bill would have been a true single payer if no attempt to find a compromise with the GOP had been made.

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Maybe you forgot the Koch brothers financing of the groups that disrupted Congressional town halls where the elected officials sought their constitutients input on the bill?


Got proof that all those town halls were disrupted by Koch money?

Who paid for everything? The Koch's and a few allies.

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Maybe you forgot 'death panels' and 'keep the government's hands off Medicare'?


IPAB. $716B taken out of Medicare (allegedly all from "wasteful" spending) and used to fun the rest of Obamacare.

Not allegedly. The fact is that money is from controlling the rate of increase of Medicare payments (and is exactly the same amount and from the same source that 2 different GOP produced budgets also wanted to save.

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Or maybe you are a prime example of what I'm talking about. The Democratic party bent over backwards seeking Republican input on the absolutely needed health insurance reform and all they got from the GOP was 'kill the bill' and lies.


Bullshit. They didn't bend over backwards. They didn't honestly discuss anything the R's brought to the table.

Bull. The GOP brought very little to the table beyond rhetoric. About the only two proposals were tort reform and sell insurance across state lines. Neither one of which dealt with the issues, lifetime limits, dropping for honest application errors, insuring those with pre existing conditions, etc., that needed to be addressed. Also many states have implemented tort reform for medical malpractice and it has had no impact on health insurance costs or coverage.

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Fundamentally the bill as passed was a Republican plan, proposed by numerous Republicans including Bob Dole in the 1990's. The same thing applies to the cap and trade legislation that we needed to begin controlling CO2 releases but again, an immently reasonable and conservative solution was rejected and lied about by the Republicans.


That the plan originated in the Party of R doesn't mean anything about it being good or not.

So you're saying the program pushed by the Republicans was just a ruse to claim they had a plan when they intended to do nothing? Refreshingly honest but a mediocre plan is better than none.

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CO2 emissions have been dropping in the US as global emissions continue to rise. Global warming hasn't been happening as CO2 has been rising, either. But, let's not quibble over those facts, okay?

Actually the globe has been warming and the corelation is indisputable just ask the climate change skeptics at BEST.

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RE: Add The Koch Brothers To The Assholes Holding Our E... - 10/15/2012 3:53:47 PM   
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What "failure" do you speak of in the first two years? Failure not to let us fall off the cliff?


Failures!



Successes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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