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RE: Town Hall Debate - 10/18/2012 5:07:06 PM

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RE: Town Hall Debate - 10/18/2012 5:17:04 PM

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Obama also referred to the Benghazi attack as an "act of terror" while campaigning in Colorado on September 13:

Let me say at the outset that obviously our hearts are heavy this week -- we had a tough day a couple of days ago, for four Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Libya. Yesterday I had a chance to go over to the State Department to talk to friends and colleagues of those who were killed. And these were Americans who, like so many others, both in uniform and civilians, who serve in difficult and dangerous places all around the world to advance the interests and the values that we hold dear as Americans.

And a lot of times their work goes unheralded, doesn't get a lot of attention, but it is vitally important. We enjoy our security and our liberty because of the sacrifices that they make. And they do an outstanding job every single day without a lot of fanfare. (Applause.)

So what I want all of you to know is that we are going to bring those who killed our fellow Americans to justice. (Applause.) I want people around the world to hear me: To all those who would do us harm, no act of terror will go unpunished. It will not dim the light of the values that we proudly present to the rest of the world. No act of violence shakes the resolve of the United States of America. (Applause.)

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RE: Town Hall Debate - 10/18/2012 5:18:32 PM

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RE: Town Hall Debate - 10/18/2012 5:26:56 PM

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and just where did Romney say those 12 million jobs would come from that HE would create?

his five point plan, which no one is touting and strangely not commenting on

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RE: Town Hall Debate - 10/18/2012 5:56:52 PM

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Colbert on Benghazi clusterfuck by Romney and right wing media dribblers
"America can't be sure President Obama was talking about Benghazi in that Benghazi speech the day after the Benghazi attacks."

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RE: Town Hall Debate - 10/18/2012 6:06:36 PM

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John Quincy Adams who lost by 44,804 votes to Andrew Jackson in 1824
Rutherford B. Hayes who lost by 264,292 votes to Samuel J. Tilden in 1876
Benjamin Harrison who lost by 95,713 votes to Grover Cleveland in 1888
George W. Bush who lost by 543,816 votes to Al Gore in the 2000 election.

It often strikes me that, all four times, the more conservative candidate moved into the White House.

Might help help explain opposition to shedding the Electoral College.

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RE: Town Hall Debate - 10/18/2012 6:09:24 PM

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Whoever said "Religion is the opiate of the masses" never heard Right Wing talk radio.

Karl Marx -- probably one of the earliest income resitribution type of guy!

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_said_opiate_of_the_masses

I'm quite aware who said that and Right Wing radio also uses one of the tenets of Lenin and Goebbels.

"Tell a lie often enough and with enough conviction, it becomes the truth"

So what's your fucking point?
Does it have fuckall to do with the topic?

If you want to go back to the earliest 'redistribution guy", you might want to look at.....Jesus (loaves and fishes).

Hill, did you add the part about talk radio? It's truly one of the best sigs in CM history, and I've been meaning for ages to offer my slightly envious kudos.

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RE: Town Hall Debate - 10/18/2012 6:59:14 PM

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ETA, Is there any left wing syndicated radio not on Sirius/XM any more?
The best quote I was able to find was "Air America's radio efforts failed miserably. Any number of left-wing challengers to Rush Limbaugh have gone down in flames faster than the Hindenburg."

In fairness, NPR is pretty lefty. Admittedly moreso when DEMs are in the Whitehouse but they're usually pretty left and they're on terrestrial radio.

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RE: Town Hall Debate - 10/18/2012 7:00:41 PM

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Hill, did you add the part about talk radio? It's truly one of the best sigs in CM history, and I've been meaning for ages to offer my slightly envious kudos.

Ive had that as part of my sig line for years.

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RE: Town Hall Debate - 10/18/2012 7:07:51 PM

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Ive had that as part of my sig line for years.

I know. I was just curious whether it was original or (as mine tend to be) a quote.

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RE: Town Hall Debate - 10/18/2012 7:08:41 PM

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Stella, I saw it as entertaining and I'll tell you why.
4 years undergrad and 3 years grad school here. I met a lot of folks during those years and there were several majors that I would look at thinking "Why the fuck are they here"?
I understand someone wanting to better themselves intellectually and artistically but you must go into it with your eyes open. Before you declare a major, THINK. What will I do in 4 years?
There is nothing wrong with art or sociology or philosophy (Actually, a philosophy major might be really good for pre law)
One must have plans. General Studies as a major? Hellooooooooooooooo. Education is expensive. You need to have an idea that you are going to get a return on your investment.
What jobs require an art major? Can you do the same with an art minor? "I want to own my own gallery" OK, fine. Business major (so you'll know what the fuck you're doing and your business doesn't fail" and an art minor. If that gallery thing doesnt work out, you still have a means to make a decent living.
Im not saying universities shouldn't offer these majors and they aren't worthwhile but go in with your eyes open.
Unemployment for college grads is 6.62% according to this. http://www.studentsreview.com/unemployment_by_major.php3
Unemployment for art majors is 12.7%. That's higher than the general population.

HW, think this answer should go on over to the exhibit on why americans are anti-intellectual.

I had a double major in Marine Science and Biology, minors and Chemistry and Physics and 3 years grad school. I understood going in that I wasnt majoring in something to become wealthy because I didnt decide to go pre med, pre vet or pre law..
I will also say that I have had years when my salary as a materials scientist was greater than 4 years tuition to the University of Miami. I didn't get rich but I wasn't hurting either.

Had I been interested in Art or Literature or someting similar, I'd have snagged it as another minor.

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RE: Town Hall Debate - 10/18/2012 9:18:33 PM

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No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.
http://www.forextv.com/forex-news-story/full-transcript-of-obama-s-rose-garden-speech-after-sept-11-benghazi-attack

There was no clear reference that Benghazi was a terror attack. The speech starts out with Benghazi and then moves into 9/11. After talking about 9/11, he says what you quoted.

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RE: Town Hall Debate - 10/18/2012 9:33:35 PM

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No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.
http://www.forextv.com/forex-news-story/full-transcript-of-obama-s-rose-garden-speech-after-sept-11-benghazi-attack

There was no clear reference that Benghazi was a terror attack. The speech starts out with Benghazi and then moves into 9/11. After talking about 9/11, he says what you quoted.

Of course, yesterday was already a painful day for our nation as we marked the solemn memory of the 9/11 attacks. We mourned with the families who were lost on that day. I visited the graves of troops who made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hallowed grounds of Arlington Cemetery, and had the opportunity to say thank you and visit some of our wounded warriors at Walter Reed. And then last night, we learned the news of this attack in Benghazi.

As Americans, let us never, ever forget that our freedom is only sustained because there are people who are willing to fight for it, to stand up for it, and in some cases, lay down their lives for it. Our country is only as strong as the character of our people and the service of those both civilian and military who represent us around the globe.

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

He touched on 9/11, then came back to Benghazi before making the part I quoted.

Now point out another inconsistency you can find.

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RE: Town Hall Debate - 10/19/2012 1:57:52 AM

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Apparently, you don't agree with the idea that you go to college to learn stuff so that you can either start your own business, or provide a benefit to someone else's business.

No I don't. So you think art is not necessary to business or to society?

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RE: Town Hall Debate - 10/19/2012 2:55:58 AM

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John Quincy Adams who lost by 44,804 votes to Andrew Jackson in 1824
Rutherford B. Hayes who lost by 264,292 votes to Samuel J. Tilden in 1876
Benjamin Harrison who lost by 95,713 votes to Grover Cleveland in 1888
George W. Bush who lost by 543,816 votes to Al Gore in the 2000 election.

It often strikes me that, all four times, the more conservative candidate moved into the White House.

Might help help explain opposition to shedding the Electoral College.

It's the small population state bias that is built into the Electoral College. It favors the rural southern and mountain west states which is the core of the Republican strength.

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RE: Town Hall Debate - 10/19/2012 4:09:03 AM

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Apparently, you don't agree with the idea that you go to college to learn stuff so that you can either start your own business, or provide a benefit to someone else's business.

No I don't.

What part do you not agree with?

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So you think art is not necessary to business or to society?

It is not as necessary as other pursuits, necessarily. Do we need art teachers? Absolutely. Do we need people who understand art and the best way for it to be displayed and/or maintained? Absolutely. Do we need the artists themselves? Absolutely. But, I also believe in the Market and in letting the Market decide. Thus, you may be one of the very best play-doh sculptors, but if there is no need for another play-doh sculptor, why do you deserve a job?

I have no problem with people pursuing their passions. None at all. However, if you can't make enough money to support yourself, you had better find another something to do to supplement that.

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RE: Town Hall Debate - 10/19/2012 4:24:47 AM

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John Quincy Adams who lost by 44,804 votes to Andrew Jackson in 1824
Rutherford B. Hayes who lost by 264,292 votes to Samuel J. Tilden in 1876
Benjamin Harrison who lost by 95,713 votes to Grover Cleveland in 1888
George W. Bush who lost by 543,816 votes to Al Gore in the 2000 election.

It often strikes me that, all four times, the more conservative candidate moved into the White House.
Might help help explain opposition to shedding the Electoral College.

It's the small population state bias that is built into the Electoral College. It favors the rural southern and mountain west states which is the core of the Republican strength.

We are not a straight up Democracy. How is it a "small population state bias?" Every 10 years, electors can be shifted from one state to another according to population (census). Since it was created in the US Constitution, and the roots of the Electoral College being from ancient Rome, the bias towards rural southern and mountain west states (of which there weren't any at either time) is questionable. That Liberals have concentrated themselves in fewer states, isn't a function of the electoral system.

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RE: Town Hall Debate - 10/19/2012 4:26:34 AM

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ETA, Is there any left wing syndicated radio not on Sirius/XM any more?
The best quote I was able to find was "Air America's radio efforts failed miserably. Any number of left-wing challengers to Rush Limbaugh have gone down in flames faster than the Hindenburg."

In fairness, NPR is pretty lefty. Admittedly moreso when DEMs are in the Whitehouse but they're usually pretty left and they're on terrestrial radio.

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Know why I used to listen to NPR before satellite radio was available?

Only place I could hear classical music.........FUKIN LEFTIES

Oh, wait! I LIKE classical music. I wasn't slamming NPR, in it's entirety. I thought, in the context of this conversation, we were talking about left-leaning radio that wasn't on a subscription basis.

NO ONE can deny that NPR leans left and I like some of their programming. Ultimately, I even like listening to the left-leaning political talk (call-in shows, especially) because I get to hear what real people think; not just the show host.

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RE: Town Hall Debate - 10/19/2012 8:36:30 AM

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Yeah, so why the rant about not getting an Art Major. Don't imagine anyone that is the arts is in it just because they think they are going to be jackson pollack

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RE: Town Hall Debate - 10/19/2012 9:24:48 AM

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Yeah, so why the rant about not getting an Art Major. Don't imagine anyone that is the arts is in it just because they think they are going to be jackson pollack

I'd question that, actually. Not Pollack or Mondrian (who spent the early chunks of their career broke), but there's a lot of idiots who think that overpaid shitheads like Damien Hirst or Jeff Koons are easily imitated role models and they'll get rich quick squeezing out the same sort of shit. Depressibgly, a fair few of them turn out to be right.
Post modernism's a terrible thing, really...

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