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chatterbox24 -> RE: Grade the Second Debate (10/17/2012 7:23:27 PM)
Obama. OBAMA. I will make that bet. Hey I have did my homework too. If you dont make over 200k, vote Obama. YOu rich folk, we love ya, but you gotta pay ...................lol

tazzygirl -> RE: Grade the Second Debate (10/17/2012 7:24:35 PM)
Found out her name yet?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Grade the Second Debate (10/17/2012 7:36:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Have you looked at Obama's own staff? http://www.cawp.rutgers.edu/fast_facts/levels_of_office/Executive-ObamaAppts.php Are paid less than the men working for the President... Your point? Heard this on Rush today. Googled it and found out that median incomes aren't exactly the same thing as comparing pay according to the job title/responsibility. So, while median incomes may be different, that doesn't mean he's paying women less than men for the same job, which is what women want when they look for equal pay.

TheHeretic -> RE: Grade the Second Debate (10/17/2012 7:44:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Found out her name yet? If it walks and quacks like a duck, Tazzy, I feel no need to check the DNA to see if it's really a turkey. More importantly, has the Truth Team released their findings on the video, or they still going with crediting Reagan for what was once a very good idea?

tazzygirl -> RE: Grade the Second Debate (10/17/2012 7:47:49 PM)
Reagan was the Father.... Bush promoted the cell [;)]

TheHeretic -> RE: Grade the Second Debate (10/17/2012 7:52:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Obama. OBAMA. I will make that bet. Hey I have did my homework too. If you dont make over 200k, vote Obama. YOu rich folk, we love ya, but you gotta pay ...................lol LOL. Sorry, Chatterbox, I've achieved a middle class income, but I make a lot less than 200K, and consider Obama's policies a great way to drag me back towards the poverty I once knew all too well. Enjoy your gambling. I save my betting money for sure things, or someplace that at least has free drinks.

TheHeretic -> RE: Grade the Second Debate (10/17/2012 7:56:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Reagan was the Father.... Bush promoted the cell [;)] And Obama put up posters in the offices, and fliers in the racks, and considered the printing costs an excellent use of stimulus dollars.

tazzygirl -> RE: Grade the Second Debate (10/17/2012 8:07:57 PM)
Programs The federal USF pays for four programs. They are: Lifeline/Link Up. This program provides discounts on monthly service and initial telephone installation or activation fees for primary residences to income-eligible consumers. For additional information, see our consumer guide. High-Cost. This program ensures that consumers in all regions of the nation have access to telecommunications services at rates that are affordable and reasonably comparable to those in urban areas. Schools and Libraries. This program makes discounts available to eligible schools and libraries for eligible telecommunications services, Internet access and internal connections so that schools and libraries may have access to affordable telecommunications and information services. For additional information, see our consumer guide. Rural Health Care. This program helps link health care providers located in rural areas to urban medical centers so that patients living in rural America will have access to the same advanced diagnostic and other medical services that are enjoyed in urban communities. For additional information, see our consumer guides at: www.fcc.gov/guides/universal-service-program-rural-health-care-providers and www.fcc.gov/guides/rural-health-care-pilot-program. Who Pays for Universal Service? All telecommunications service providers and certain other providers of telecommunications must contribute to the federal USF based on a percentage of their interstate and international end-user telecommunications revenues. These companies include wireline phone companies, wireless phone companies, paging service companies and certain Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) providers. http://www.fcc.gov/guides/universal-service-support-mechanisms At the cost of stimulus dollars?

TheHeretic -> RE: Grade the Second Debate (10/17/2012 8:55:21 PM)
And you are disproving a claim I never made, because..., Tazzy?

tazzygirl -> RE: Grade the Second Debate (10/17/2012 9:13:42 PM)
quote: And Obama put up posters in the offices, and fliers in the racks, and considered the printing costs an excellent use of stimulus dollars. Thats the claim. Those companies paid for the advertising. (3)(a) Every incumbent local exchange carrier required to implement lifeline service under division (A) of this section shall establish an annual marketing budget for promoting lifeline service and performing outreach regarding lifeline service. All funds allocated to this budget shall be spent for the promotion and marketing of lifeline service and outreach regarding lifeline service and only for those purposes and not for any administrative costs of implementing lifeline service. All activities relating to the promotion of, marketing of, and outreach regarding lifeline service shall be coordinated through a single advisory board composed of staff of the public utilities commission, the office of the consumers’ counsel, consumer groups representing low-income constituents, two representatives from the Ohio association of community action agencies, and, except as provided in division (A)(3)(b) of this section, every incumbent local exchange carrier required to implement lifeline service under division (A) of this section. The public utilities commission may review and approve decisions of the advisory board in accordance with commission rules, including decisions on how the lifeline marketing, promotion, and outreach activities are implemented. http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/4927.13 Im still trying to figure out where you got the idea that the stimulus money paid for this.

dcnovice -> RE: Grade the Second Debate (10/17/2012 9:19:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Found out her name yet? You mean the "Obamaphone" lady? From the ad creators' perspective, isn't she much better off without one? A name would reduce her to a single individual with a particular story (which may, I wouldn't be surprised to learn, included some adept manipulation by the filmmaker). Nameless, however, she's an archetype--conveniently black, handily poor, blessedly loud--of all those 47-percenters haunting our fears and plundering our capital gains. If we must name her, though, Wilhelmina Horton has a nice ring.

tazzygirl -> RE: Grade the Second Debate (10/17/2012 9:21:27 PM)
LOL Thats the point... she is nameless. You cant tell me some piece of rag magazine wouldnt love to find out who she is and her background story... and willing to pay money for that info.

TheHeretic -> RE: Grade the Second Debate (10/17/2012 9:46:53 PM)
And did you read down to the bits about unspecified federal and state funding, Tazzy? The stimulus dumped all sorts of borrowed cash into all sorts of grants.

TheHeretic -> RE: Grade the Second Debate (10/17/2012 9:49:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl LOL Thats the point... she is nameless. You cant tell me some piece of rag magazine wouldnt love to find out who she is and her background story... and willing to pay money for that info. LOL indeed, Tazzy. Again, who's going to admit that this is their auntie?

tazzygirl -> RE: Grade the Second Debate (10/17/2012 9:52:23 PM)
Yep... (D) An incumbent local exchange carrier required to implement lifeline service under division (A) of this section may recover from end users of the carrier’s telecommunications service other than lifeline service customers, by a method approved by the public utilities commission, any lifeline service discounts and any other lifeline service expenses that the public utilities commission prescribes by rule and that are not recovered through federal or state funding, except for expenses incurred under division (A)(3)(a) of this section. A carrier seeking recovery of discounts or expenses shall, in accordance with rules adopted by the public utilities commission, apply to the public utilities commission for approval of the method of recovery. If the method of recovery includes a customer billing surcharge, the public utilities commission shall prescribe by rule how the surcharge is to be identified on customer bills. ....and not a cent of it is for marketing.

tazzygirl -> RE: Grade the Second Debate (10/17/2012 9:53:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl LOL Thats the point... she is nameless. You cant tell me some piece of rag magazine wouldnt love to find out who she is and her background story... and willing to pay money for that info. LOL indeed, Tazzy. Again, who's going to admit that this is their auntie? LOL Again you are assuming it has to be family.

TheHeretic -> RE: Grade the Second Debate (10/17/2012 10:07:30 PM)
No, I'm using "auntie," as a fun metaphor for any relationship anyone might have with the charming woman in that video. Who benefits, Tazzy, if this woman gets another camera put in her face? And much as I'd love to argue back and forth over the ways the stimulus was squandered, I'm catching up on my beauty rest tonight. Pleasant dreams.

popeye1250 -> RE: Grade the Second Debate (10/18/2012 1:01:52 AM)
"The buck stops here!" Unless it's during an election.

DomYngBlk -> RE: Grade the Second Debate (10/18/2012 12:00:44 PM)
I know pops. If you make sure Romney knows you voted for him maybe he will let you cross the Charles into the promised land....

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Grade the Second Debate (10/18/2012 7:49:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy I watched the second debate on tape delay. I thought Obama did a much better job and spoke credibly on the issues. Romney did not build on his first debate performance, and what he said seemed more tired and repetitive the second time. Romney failed to credibly demonstrate how he could increase military defense spending, cut taxes, and lower the deficit. He just failed to make this point. Obama effectively tagged Romney with conservative social issues like wanting to cut funding for planned parenthood. Obama never mentioned the strong rebound in the stock market, which I think is a dumb omission on his part. Romney, of course, is smart not to mention the stock market. What irks me about Romney is how he keeps dumping the poor economic performance of the past four years on Obama's policies, but he NEVER MENTIONS either the great recession or the causes behind the economic collapse. The real reason for the USA's poor economic performance are related to the housing and banking crisis that crescendo-ed in 2007-08. In general, I hated most of the question asked by the audience. The one question I would have asked would have been: What do you think of US Supreme Court's Citizen United Decision and how is that affecting our Democracy here in the US? Is there anything you would like to change about that decision? Romney was weaker, Obama definitely gained an edge. Personally, what I think is far more interesting is, much the same as the Kennedy/Nixon debates, those that listened to it on the radio thought Nixon (Romney) won. Those that saw it on the telly (one of the first....might have been the first....to be broadcast nationally) thought that Kennedy (Obama) won. Myself, I go to sleep (usually...not tonight because I'm taking a mini vaca) about 6:00 p.m. most nights (I'm on the West coast) and I have East coast and international clients, so I'm typically at my desk about 4:00 a.m. West coast time....so I covered my head with my pillow and drifted off to sleep....listening fitfully to the debates that were played out roughly 317 times over the night. And from what I (heard) Romney scored. But apparently the pundits felt differently.

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