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RE: GOP Voter Fraud: Destruction of Records - 10/19/2012 9:47:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

From my distant observation post, it appears that:
* Voter fraud is not a significant element in US elections;
*There has been a concerted attempt from one US party to make voter registration, and subsequent casting of ballots more difficult;
*These attempts are in multiple locations ie. they appear systematic; and
*The people affected by these attempts appear to be mainly lower class and minority group members, people perceived as potential Democrat voters.

It's impossible not to consider the possibility that the intent of these measures is to systematically deny suffrage to qualified voters because they vote for the 'other side'. IOW, the GOP believes in democracy only if you vote GOP.


They certainly are distant observations.
  The reality is that if ONE, count em, ONE voter is defrauded, it's a big deal.

Voter suppression is however neither isolated or small in this election cycle. I think though, you understand that part from what you said concerning the GOP.

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RE: GOP Voter Fraud: Destruction of Records - 10/19/2012 10:02:21 PM   
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Not at all. They scoped out how many folks were voting those last days. Especially the last sunday before. Why you think they were trying to shut it down? So they could make voting better? ....Saving money? what....


It very easily could have been to save money. It costs to have an election. Every day the polls are open, there are people getting paid to be at work. At least the poll workers on election day (the only day I've actually gone into a voting booth; only mention that to show why I have no idea about pre-election poll workers) are volunteers.

Hey DS,I got a bridge to sell you
Or is it you who thinks "we" are the bridge purchasers ?
Either way I find it hard to read your post with a straight face,or to believe you posted it with such

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RE: GOP Voter Fraud: Destruction of Records - 10/20/2012 5:07:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk
Not at all. They scoped out how many folks were voting those last days. Especially the last sunday before. Why you think they were trying to shut it down? So they could make voting better? ....Saving money? what....

It very easily could have been to save money. It costs to have an election. Every day the polls are open, there are people getting paid to be at work. At least the poll workers on election day (the only day I've actually gone into a voting booth; only mention that to show why I have no idea about pre-election poll workers) are volunteers.

Hey DS,I got a bridge to sell you
Or is it you who thinks "we" are the bridge purchasers ?
Either way I find it hard to read your post with a straight face,or to believe you posted it with such


Can you deliver said bridge?

Are you seriously going to tell me that with 35 days before an election (which is when early voting in Ohio starts), you can't find the opportunity to vote other than those 3 days (out of 36, if you count Election Day)? It certainly isn't tough to get an absentee ballot in Ohio, and there is also a vote-by-mail option. I don't care that people can or can not vote the 3 days prior to the election. With all the technology and opportunities we have at our disposal, dropping the 3 days prior to the election is a serious attack of voter suppression?!? Guess what. Lucas County has one voting center for early voting. It's in downtown Toledo, 5 or 6 blocks from the Government buildings for the City and County. The City of Toledo is not even in the center of the County. Can you guess the area it's located? Someone from the rural areas will have to drive almost completely across the County to get to vote early. People in the 'burbs, or who work in the 'burbs but live outside Downtown will not have to drive out of their way to go vote early. But, perhaps the location of the voting center (or that there is only one early voting location) is the Commissioners' way of suppressing the vote of the majority not-black, more well-to-do, and less dependent. Hell, you can argue that they put it in the poor area to make it easier for the poor to vote, but you'd be ignoring the poor that are on the other side of the river (the Maumee River runs through part of Toledo, separating the City).

My point is that this whole hysteria over voter suppression by John Husted is bullshit. So, black churches host efforts the Sunday prior to Election Day. Big deal. They can hold it a week earlier. Or, is that going to hinder the voters? I wonder how many voters voted in the first two days of Early voting, thereby missing all the debates.

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RE: GOP Voter Fraud: Destruction of Records - 10/20/2012 5:10:07 AM   
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So, the rural people, and suburban people all have cars to drive to this location. While those living in the city without cars, using the buses and walking can ALSO get there.

Sounds ideal to me.

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RE: GOP Voter Fraud: Destruction of Records - 10/20/2012 5:13:24 AM   
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So, black churches host efforts the Sunday prior to Election Day. Big deal. They can hold it a week earlier.


The big deal is the nationwide attempts to suppress the vote of those likely to vote for President Obama.

I would have no problem if all this energy went into registering people likely to vote Republican.

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RE: GOP Voter Fraud: Destruction of Records - 10/20/2012 5:33:56 AM   
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Any proof in that charge or just more bullshit?

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RE: GOP Voter Fraud: Destruction of Records - 10/20/2012 5:37:15 AM   
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But you didn't answer why he would bother to try and close the polls on those days specifically? If he is saving money why not see what the PEOPLE want and adjust the Board of Elections schedules to allow for that. Why those three?

And if he was wanting to save money why did he appeal the original decision wasting more tax dollars when you and me would have fixed it in 5 minutes.

Just answer those......

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RE: GOP Voter Fraud: Destruction of Records - 10/20/2012 6:21:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
So saving money (but willing to go to court at great expense to try and adhere to a clearly unconstitutional law) is more important than a free vote.
That doesn't seem very American. 


How was it unConstitutional?


equal protections clause, I believe was the praxis of the ruling.

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RE: GOP Voter Fraud: Destruction of Records - 10/20/2012 6:23:19 AM   
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Don't worry, DS has romnesia he will now pivot and go a different direction.

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RE: GOP Voter Fraud: Destruction of Records - 10/20/2012 10:04:58 AM   
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The OP is about registration fraud, committed by a republican employee against those who registered as democrats.

It's not the same as voter fraud.


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RE: GOP Voter Fraud: Destruction of Records - 10/20/2012 2:25:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk
But you didn't answer why he would bother to try and close the polls on those days specifically? If he is saving money why not see what the PEOPLE want and adjust the Board of Elections schedules to allow for that. Why those three?


Don't know. He and I have not discussed it.

quote:

And if he was wanting to save money why did he appeal the original decision wasting more tax dollars when you and me would have fixed it in 5 minutes.
Just answer those......


Don't know how much it cost to appeal, nor how much it would save for those 3 days.

Aren't election rules up to the States? Perhaps the appeal was also a pushback in support of States' Rights?



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RE: GOP Voter Fraud: Destruction of Records - 10/20/2012 2:30:44 PM   
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equal protections clause, I believe was the praxis of the ruling.


So, the equal protections was to give Private Citizens the same voting opportunities as military personnel.

So, if Husted decided that the military personnel weren't going to get those 3 days either, then there would have been nothing wrong. I see.

Clearly all about minorities.

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RE: GOP Voter Fraud: Destruction of Records - 10/20/2012 2:32:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
So, the rural people, and suburban people all have cars to drive to this location. While those living in the city without cars, using the buses and walking can ALSO get there.
Sounds ideal to me.


So, you are, essentially, putting a poll tax on rural/suburban people. Talk about voter suppression.

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RE: GOP Voter Fraud: Destruction of Records - 10/20/2012 2:43:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kalikshama
The big deal is the nationwide attempts to suppress the vote of those likely to vote for President Obama.

I would have no problem if all this energy went into registering people likely to vote Republican.



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RE: GOP Voter Fraud: Destruction of Records - 10/20/2012 5:45:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/06/early-voting-in-ohio/
For the last four years, Republican lawmakers around the country have diligently tried to eliminate early-voting periods, which give people a chance to vote at their convenience. The reason is simple: early voting was wildly popular in 2008 – comprising a third of the vote – and many of the people who took advantage of it voted for Barack Obama.

More than half of Florida’s early voters in 2008 were Democrats, and many black voters went right from their church pews to the ballot box on the Sunday before Election Day. That’s why the state’s Republicans severely restricted the practice last year, and specifically banned voting on that final Sunday. Similar restrictions were also passed in Georgia, Tennessee, West Virginia, and Ohio, part of a movement to restrict voting that includes tough voter ID requirements.

Now, the Obama campaign’s attempt to fight the measure in Ohio has led to one of the lower moments of this year’s presidential campaign. The state legislature cut back on the early voting period, and banned it in the three days prior to Election Day. (Even though 93,000 Ohioans voted in those three days in 2008.) An exception, however, was made for military personnel, who tend to lean Republican.


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