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Riiiiight, indeed it is. Your logic is implying that immaculate conception is the norm.

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God is speaking! Simples!

we heard that during the GOP primaries race....

How many did God tell to run for the GOP?

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You are trying to argue justifiable homicide(murder)vs. homicide 1(murder). That is not the issue. The issue is that dead is dead and that death is murder...whether it is justified or not is simply your strawman.
As I mentioned above if one has the ability to exercise deadly force in a case of self defense then they ipso facto have the ability to use less than lethal force in self defense...unless of course you are using grenades or nukes etc.

Homicide (Latin: homicidium, Latin: homo human being + Latin: caedere to cut, kill) is the act of a human killing another human.[1] Murder, for example, is a type of homicide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide

Although the term homicide is sometimes used synonymously with murder, homicide is broader in scope than murder. Murder is a form of criminal homicide; other forms of homicide might not constitute criminal acts. These homicides are regarded as justified or excusable. For example, individuals may, in a necessary act of Self-Defense, kill a person who threatens them with death or serious injury, or they may be commanded or authorized by law to kill a person who is a member of an enemy force or who has committed a serious crime. Typically, the circumstances surrounding a killing determine whether it is criminal. The intent of the killer usually determines whether a criminal homicide is classified as murder or Manslaughter and at what degree.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/homicide

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And yet another shade of lipstick for that pig.

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But I think it is plain wrong to accuse this guy of saying that god was behind the rape, I think it's wrong because - He didn't say that.

I think he did... Moreover, he's defended his position since saying it.

Oh really? Odd. What I read was:

He told reporters on Wednesday he "abhors" rape and that if anyone "came away with any impression other than that, I regret it"...

More specifically, what he said was:

"If, because of the lack of clarity in my words, that they came away with an impression other than... life is precious and that I abhor violence and I'm confident that God abhors violence and rape... I truly regret it."

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I'd advise: never underestimate just how cuntish the American religious Right can be.

Unless you can support your claim, I'd say you're not doing so bad yourself.

K.

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And yet another shade of lipstick for that pig.

Yep.. and those shades make the difference

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Hmmm. Well, it seems my apologies are in order: serves me right for going on second hand information... Perhaps you are also correct in your implication that I'm something of a cunt.

Well I dunno... Based on this post, I'd say you're more of a man than a few others I could mention.

K.

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"If, because of the lack of clarity in my words, that they came away with an impression other than... life is precious and that I abhor violence and I'm confident that God abhors violence and rape... I truly regret it."

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Riiiiight, indeed it is. Your logic is implying that immaculate conception is the norm.

Perhaps you should first find out what the doctrin of immaculate conception is.

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Riiiiight, indeed it is. Your logic is implying that immaculate conception is the norm.

Perhaps you should first find out what the doctrin of immaculate conception is.

Perhaps you should first find out what the source of the concept is?

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The more something is "translated" the more bastardized it becomes.

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No one is ignoring them... I am dismissing them.

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Personally, I find it humorous that he keeps wanting to pretty up a pig.

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Still lipstick still a pig.

[image]http://www.tcdailyplanet.net/sites/tcdailyplanet.net/files/imagecache/full/lipstick-on-pig_079bec18-09f7-486b-a24c-95ae7d6d74ed.png[/image]

(just tryin' to help)

K.

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There is no way you can credibly parse this sentence otherwise.

There most certainly is...

The operative word there was "credibly". Your convoluted parsing demonstrates only the lengths to which you will go to make the words mean what you want to accuse them of meaning. It fails completely -- one might almost say spectacularly -- to establish that the speaker even remotely intended the meaning you insist on reading into them.

K.

Riiiiight, indeed it is. Your logic is implying that immaculate conception is the norm.

When expressing conclusive opinion it is best to back it by reasoned logic.

You do indeed fail spectacularly.

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People who are deeply religious believe that their god holds sway over every aspect of life, fact.

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The speaker obviously is of the same opinion hence any logic applying that axiom is correct, since he could not have reached his conclusion.

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What you are failing to take into account, as he also failed to do, is realise that his simplistic fiction would be analysed by greater intelligence.

Mother nature, the reality of life, raping his and your intellect.

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It is akin to saying "God intended that he had a car which he crashed" and selectively suggesting god only meant the first part.

The longer quote is "And I came to realise life is a gift from god, and I think, even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, it is something God intended to happen."

Now it's as plain as day. The subject of the sentence is "life".

There is no way you can credibly parse this sentence otherwise.

There most certainly is, for two obvious reasons.

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1 Physiology determines that there can be no gift without impregnation, hence this god is providing a gift to the male because you have to believe that this god, if capable of determining the impregnation, then it is also responsible for the rape, it intended it, the whole process of conception, to occur.

2. For anyone to believe that the conception is a gift from their god they would obviously also believe that it determines everything, it is all powerful, and therefore the god must also be responsible for the rape. And for any violence that occurred.

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One cannot ignore the implications and logical concepts evolving from the statement. The complexity of communication is not solely based on simplistic grammar analysis as you are well aware.

God is speaking! Simples!