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crazyml -> So.. Was Romney a good governor? (10/25/2012 9:51:58 AM)

Plainly, this thread may or may not become a bun-fight, but I'm interested to know.

My "impression" very much as an outsider (albeit one with links to MA having lived in Concord MA for a couple of years) is that he did a decent job.

Also... how does his MA record (and the policies he supported while Governor) correlate with his platform as a candidate for Prez?





subspaceseven -> RE: So.. Was Romney a good governor? (10/25/2012 9:59:26 AM)

Well here is what the Boston Globe said about him following the law for same sex parents...does not seem to be really behind it.

the Boston Globe reports that as governor of Massachusetts, Romney prevented the Department of Health from issuing accurate birth certificates for the children of married same-sex couples. After marriage equality was ruled into law by the Massachusetts Supreme Court in late 2003, the Registry of Vital Records and Statistics insisted that birth certificate forms needed to be revised from the “father”/”mother” dichotomy to include gay and lesbian parent — but Romney objected.

Romney’s objections to same-sex adoption are well documented. He told the Faith and Freedom Conference in June that children are better off with heterosexual parents and in 2006 claimed that “the price of same-sex marriage is paid by children.” And though Romney now claims to be okay with states allowing the “benefit” of same-sex adoption, he has also spoken out against it during the 2012 campaign.

On education in MA

“His impact was inconsequential,” said Glen Koocher, executive director of the Massachusetts Association of School Committees. “People viewed his proposals as political talking points, and no one took Romney seriously. What he gets credit for is absolutely refusing to compromise on everything he wanted to do from the moment he took office, and some people think that’s commendable.”

http://thinkprogress.org/education/2012/07/02/509789/romney-education-inconsequential/




Yachtie -> RE: So.. Was Romney a good governor? (10/25/2012 10:03:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: subspaceseven
issuing accurate birth certificates for the children of married same-sex couples.


Something there reads just plain wrong[8|]




subspaceseven -> RE: So.. Was Romney a good governor? (10/25/2012 10:08:49 AM)

LOL......yes, Ihave to agree with you, which I believe is a first[:D]




Fightdirecto -> RE: So.. Was Romney a good governor? (10/25/2012 10:21:26 AM)

Willard "Vietnam? Heck no - I'm heading to France" Romney was elected to a 4-year term as Governor of Massachusetts.

The final 2 years of his term as Governor he spent traveling the other 49 states campaigning for the Republican Presidential nomination by verbally trashing the state of Massachusetts and all of it's residents.




DomKen -> RE: So.. Was Romney a good governor? (10/25/2012 11:55:43 AM)

FR

He's set to lose MA by a larger margin than any other major party candidate has lost his home state by in the Republic's history. That tells me pretty much all I need to know about how he did as governor.




mnottertail -> RE: So.. Was Romney a good governor? (10/25/2012 11:57:05 AM)

SO............ARE YOU SAYING he was a comme ci, comme ça Guv?


LOL.




SternSkipper -> RE: So.. Was Romney a good governor? (10/26/2012 6:43:49 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: crazyml

Plainly, this thread may or may not become a bun-fight, but I'm interested to know.

My "impression" very much as an outsider (albeit one with links to MA having lived in Concord MA for a couple of years) is that he did a decent job.

Also... how does his MA record (and the policies he supported while Governor) correlate with his platform as a candidate for Prez?


So when were you in Mass? Because, I've lived here through most of the 90s an all of this century so far. Also I've always paid pretty careful attention to the government and politics here. Romney wasn't the worst Governor we've had, but that's only because a republican that preceded him and a badly beaten down woman Governor who also proceeded Romney basically sucked. Romney talks about being bi-partisan, but he vetoed most of what came across his desk. He only signed about 40-59 bills into law, and A LOT of those were relating to Romney Care.

Of course, he did sign in some things to make the deficit of $3 billion disappear...Things like a special tax bill to impose a $200+ (sorry, I don't remember the dollar amount of the base) escalating tax penalty (that they wanted to not call a tax ... ironic, huh?). The others were to raise fees on JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING you could get from the government in terms of licensing and services. My driver's license went up $60 in one year, my amateur lobsterman's license went up $25, excise taxes on my car up $400, excise tax and registration on two boats up up $1100. Also, he was the governor who decided because he wasn't going to have a deficit around his neck on the way to the white house, he cut state aid to cities in town. Suddenly, we had school systems, that while still being required to follow rigid state standards, yet to a MUCH larger extent had to become town funded, bigger classrooms, less materials, less teachers, HIGHER PROPERTY TAXES. That's what happens when overnight, you take away $700-$800 million from cities and towns to make your books look good. Mitt is an expert at making the books "look" good. At the beginning my property tax was around $900, when he left to become your conservative superhero, it was over $5k.

Oh, and 2/3s of the deficit HE CLAIMED to have solved was resolved by moneys he didn't raise or cut expenditures to resolve. HE GOT LUCKY. The previous session of congress had created a capital gains tax that kicked in just as Romney faced this deficit. That knocked it down to $1.2 billion, I think. Hmnmmm Social Issues Well he sold himself to the gay community like he was practically going to meet them in the alley after last call, but once elected refused to send a gay marriage bill to congress. He fought the court order to allow it, and supported some wingnut outfit that wanted to legislate via referendum, gay marriage out of existence. It made it to the ballot, but was defeated by the people's vote. I can't remember with precision what the details were, but he also enacted some additional gun control. Assault weapons, I think. And I think gays using a surrogate to have kids caught all kinds of shit just getting the kid proper birth papers. So I guess he didn't let the constitutional rights of children get in the way of his "FOR APPEARANCES" war on gays. Most Massachusetts residents feel Romney was there to create the most plausible launching pad for a Presidential race. I feel confident in saying that if he had run for re-election, a wino with a police record probably could have beat him. He also banned Stem Cell Research in the cradle of the emerging Biotech World never mind how that set Massachusetts back economically, people die when science doesn't advance at the pace it's supposed to.

Back to the economy, he refused to continue tax incentives to the computer and software industry that resulted in the off-shoring, and moving of tens of thousands of jobs, inside the 128 belt alone.

I've heard the claim that he created jobs, but from what everybody I know feels we LOST more\ jobs than any other time between 2003 and 2007.

So if that's you're idea of a good Governor, I want a hit too.




SternSkipper -> RE: So.. Was Romney a good governor? (10/26/2012 6:50:23 PM)

Romney will lose Massachusetts by more than a 20% margin ... And that's with Stein taking 1-5% of the vote.
OP... You still want to say that's the signature of a governor who did a "decent job"?
No offense, but I doubt you were here during his tenure.




SternSkipper -> RE: So.. Was Romney a good governor? (10/26/2012 6:52:18 PM)

Oh... Almost forgot.. I think he cut higher education by about $150 million as well.




slvemike4u -> RE: So.. Was Romney a good governor? (10/26/2012 7:23:03 PM)

I'm getting the idea you didn't like him Stern?




FMRFGOPGAL -> RE: So.. Was Romney a good governor? (10/26/2012 8:09:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
I'm getting the idea you didn't like him Stern?


He didn't call him a single name and his facts are in line with the historic truth. I don't know Mike, say that was your experience under Romney. You think  you might warn everyone else.
  I mean, the OP's analysis as someone "experienced" almost sounds like he's pandering for a seat at the Romney  Inauguration that won't be happening.




FMRFGOPGAL -> RE: So.. Was Romney a good governor? (10/26/2012 8:10:44 PM)

I thought the "Well he sold himself to the gay community like he was practically going to meet them in the alley after last call" line was classic though.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: So.. Was Romney a good governor? (10/26/2012 8:38:28 PM)

Fascinating....I wonder how many of these posters who have a distinct opinion on how he governed....lived there.




slvemike4u -> RE: So.. Was Romney a good governor? (10/26/2012 9:01:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FMRFGOPGAL

I thought the "Well he sold himself to the gay community like he was practically going to meet them in the alley after last call" line was classic though.


So did I.....lol




slvemike4u -> RE: So.. Was Romney a good governor? (10/26/2012 9:02:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

Fascinating....I wonder how many of these posters who have a distinct opinion on how he governed....lived there.

Didn't Stern Skipper make it perfectly clear he was speaking from just that experience?
Perhaps he wasn't clear enough [8|]




Aylee -> RE: So.. Was Romney a good governor? (10/26/2012 9:33:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: subspaceseven
issuing accurate birth certificates for the children of married same-sex couples.


Something there reads just plain wrong[8|]



It makes no sense to me either. Shouldn't the birth certificate have the actual biological parents listed.

I can just imagine the anger from future genealogists if it was done any other way.




DomKen -> RE: So.. Was Romney a good governor? (10/26/2012 9:48:11 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: subspaceseven
issuing accurate birth certificates for the children of married same-sex couples.


Something there reads just plain wrong[8|]



It makes no sense to me either. Shouldn't the birth certificate have the actual biological parents listed.

I can just imagine the anger from future genealogists if it was done any other way.

MA is one of many states where the spouse of the mother is legally the parent no matter what the biological origin of the child. Therefore refusing to let the legal parent's name appear on the BC will cause all kinds of legal issues in the here nd now and does nothing to change the struggles of future genealogists.




Aylee -> RE: So.. Was Romney a good governor? (10/26/2012 9:55:49 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: subspaceseven
issuing accurate birth certificates for the children of married same-sex couples.


Something there reads just plain wrong[8|]



It makes no sense to me either. Shouldn't the birth certificate have the actual biological parents listed.

I can just imagine the anger from future genealogists if it was done any other way.

MA is one of many states where the spouse of the mother is legally the parent no matter what the biological origin of the child. Therefore refusing to let the legal parent's name appear on the BC will cause all kinds of legal issues in the here nd now and does nothing to change the struggles of future genealogists.


So even in the case of a sperm donor? Well, that doesn't seem right either. My personal opinion is that the birth certificate should reflect the biological mother and father (if known.)




SternSkipper -> RE: So.. Was Romney a good governor? (10/26/2012 10:05:38 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


quote:

ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

Fascinating....I wonder how many of these posters who have a distinct opinion on how he governed....lived there.

Didn't Stern Skipper make it perfectly clear he was speaking from just that experience?
Perhaps he wasn't clear enough [8|]


Mike... He probably wants to get the word "opinion" jammed in there .... Cept for the implication that romney offered gay voters after hours oral favors, they can look rest of it up. Actually... There's probably a blog or two that says Romney Sucked Cock.
Gigi also lived all her life in the Same Television coverage area and dad is politically prominent.... So she's also speaking from more or less direct experience.




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