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ToyOfRhamnusia -> RE: Turns out, Planned Parenthood patients have the fewest abortions... (11/3/2012 12:59:29 AM)
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My point is that legalization of abortion and charging women for abuse of a fetus are not going to prevent those unfortunate events. Instead, by letting our emotions dictate our laws, we are seriously attacking ALL women's human rights and accepting slavery for of us. That's not an acceptable price to pay for something that won't solve the perceived problem anyway. I dare to call it STUPID.
I already attested to the fact that the law was not implemented correctly.
It doesn't matter, because it is impossible to implement something "correctly" that builds on ignorance of logic. NO matter how you try, you will end up with some undefined grey areas that leave it to guesswork and emotional judgment to determine whether or not a crime was committed - which ought to be completely unacceptable for a law that is so serious that it can cost a woman her life.
Freedom includes the right to make mistakes and bad choices. For a pregnant woman, it is just so that her choices also affect the fetus. So be it. Get over it. Learn to live with it. Adopt your own standards for that - but keep them as YOUR standards! You have no rights to use any of this as an excuse for stripping all women of their fundamental human rights.
Our human rights are the most sacred principle behind all laws, and tampering with that is simply not justified by ANYTHING!
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The issue about children being born with defects that can be related to the mother's abuse of drugs, for instance, or alcohol or tobacco, are nothing but the social SYMPTOM of poverty and desperation - and THAT reason can be dealt with effectively through education and genuine social care. Most northern European countries are excellent proof of this being possible. But, of course, they have no "war on drugs"...
Many of the women I know of personally were offered treatment and refused. And many were not poor.
And so what? It is still no valid argument for stripping people of their rights... I was merely pointing out that the issue can be resolved THROUGH OTHER MEANS than through accepting freedom-destroying law-making, so there is no case here for making such laws.
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Getting emotional about some known examples of unfortunate consequences of our freedom is all too widely accepted as a reason for destroying our freedoms. People don't get that freedom is not free - it always comes with RESPONSIBILITY, and we have to accept that - or slavery.
I am not emotional over this issue. I worked L&D in SC at the time this was implemented. There was a real problem, one this law was designed to attempt to alleviate. It backfired, through the thanks of overzealous insurance companies, bureaucrats and politicians.
If you aren't emotional about it, then what is your justification for mingling yourself into someone else's personal business?? Why should YOU (or some corrupt elected law-maker or government employee) have the powers to strip a woman of her fundamental rights to make her own choices about HER body? Would you like for me to have that power over YOUR body? Oh, I see - so we use one principle for someone else and another principle for those in-sworn ones...?
As I have pointed out, it is IMPOSSIBLE to draw a well-defined line between what's criminal and what's not criminal, once you accept to deviate from principles that can be sustained by logic and common observation. And "pro-life" is ILLOGICAL and self-conflicting. It leaves huge areas of extreme legal importance in complete uncertainty. So, if it isn't emotion that makes you do it, then please show us the logic! (Be careful, though - because you will be the first person ever to do this, as far as I know...)
It is truly a matter of priority: Do you want to control other people (and thereby also accept that they control you...), leaving it up to some corrupt agency to determine what we can do with our bodies - or do you stand up for human rights and freedom for all?
You CANNOT have both - it is a choice. And if you don't like freedom, then there are lots of places on this planet that will welcome you. The USA is one of them, as its Constitution is "just a piece of paper", as George Bush so correctly said...
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