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mnottertail -> RE: A Tale of Two Tags (10/29/2012 12:27:39 PM)

I don't know if I buy that. Mall cop?  Mayhaps. 



Moonhead -> RE: A Tale of Two Tags (10/29/2012 12:28:18 PM)

Well, I'd better get rid of that post before somebody runs screaming for a mod, anyway.
[;)]



mnottertail -> RE: A Tale of Two Tags (10/29/2012 12:34:36 PM)

Hickory dickory dock, and all that rot.



Moonhead -> RE: A Tale of Two Tags (10/29/2012 12:41:27 PM)

Pity nobody's told him bells are cooler than clocks...



mnottertail -> RE: A Tale of Two Tags (10/29/2012 12:43:33 PM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTkbj56bnYs

Thats what I think when someone mentions bells.



Moonhead -> RE: A Tale of Two Tags (10/29/2012 12:44:51 PM)

Fair enough, but I prefer Frere Jacques.



Lucylastic -> RE: A Tale of Two Tags (10/29/2012 12:46:10 PM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMaPTZdwjPE&feature=related



mnottertail -> RE: A Tale of Two Tags (10/29/2012 12:46:28 PM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDQLxP_DMkc

Ows that, mate?



DesideriScuri -> RE: A Tale of Two Tags (10/29/2012 12:48:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
23 million unemployed ..
There is around 301 million people over the age of 18... per US census.
7.8% would be roughly 23 million. The problem with your figure is that it doesnt account for those who are of working age... but cant physically (or mentally) hold a job.
According to Gateway Pundit, when Obama took office there were 142,187,000 employed. Do you really want to go on record as saying over half the country was out of work when Obama took office? If so, 23 million now looks pretty damn good.


I think you are missing something, tazzy. 301M isn't the number of Americans over the age of 18. It's the number of Americans of all ages.

The image below is the seasonally adjusted Civilian, noninstitutional population 16 years old or older (population numbers in the thousands).
[image]http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/LNS10000000Q_524727_1351538205205.gif[/image]

The image below is the seasonally adjusted Civilian Labor Force 16 years old or older (population numbers in the thousands).
[image]http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/LNS11000000Q_524727_1351538205265.gif[/image]

Last but not least, below is the seasonally adjusted Civilian Labor Force participation rate (percentage)
[image]http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/LNS11300000Q_524727_1351538205327.gif[/image]

According to the BLS.gov site (which is where these graphs came from), the population has been increasing fairly linearly while the Labor Force hasn't. As you can see in the last graph, the participation rate has been dropping since the middle of '08 and hasn't really stopped declining yet.

The seasonally adjusted number of people employed, 16 years old or older, (numbers in the thousands)
[image]http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/LNS12000000Q_525558_1351539002086.gif[/image]

The seasonally adjusted Employment-Population Ratio
[image]http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/LNS12300000Q_525558_1351539002162.gif[/image]

The seasonally adjusted number of full-time employees (usually work 35 hours or more/ week) 16 years old or older (number in the thousands)
[image]http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/LNS12500000Q_525558_1351539002227.gif[/image]

The seasonally adjusted number of part-time employees (usually work less than 35 hours/week) 16 years or older (number in the thousands)
[image]http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/LNS12600000Q_525558_1351539002303.gif[/image]

The seasonally adjusted number of unemployed people ages 16 or older (number in the thousands)
[image]http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/LNS13000000Q_525558_1351539002372.gif[/image]

The seasonally adjusted number of people not in the labor force, ages 16 or older (number in the thousands)
[image]http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/LNS15000000Q_525558_1351539002765.gif[/image]

We may have 600k more jobs now than we did in Jan. '09, but we have fewer people employed than in Jan. '09.



Moonhead -> RE: A Tale of Two Tags (10/29/2012 12:49:05 PM)

Better, but still not right.
(I'll be resorting to Mike Oldfield if this keeps rolling...)



mnottertail -> RE: A Tale of Two Tags (10/29/2012 12:55:00 PM)

Where are people in prison?  thats rising, where is the greying of america is in those numbers, thats rising, where is the shedding of government jobs is in those numbers, thats rising.....the mangled vets from Iraq? still statistics and not the picture.

It is difficult to have an accurate picture.



tazzygirl -> RE: A Tale of Two Tags (10/29/2012 2:56:08 PM)

quote:

I think you are missing something, tazzy. 301M isn't the number of Americans over the age of 18. It's the number of Americans of all ages.


http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html

Nope.

Current Population Clock
U.S. 314,673,120
World 7,048,861,882
21:53 UTC (EST+5) Oct 29, 2012

23 2010 April 1, 2010 308,745,538

Even 2010 wasnt that small....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Census




DesideriScuri -> RE: A Tale of Two Tags (10/29/2012 4:20:14 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
quote:

I think you are missing something, tazzy. 301M isn't the number of Americans over the age of 18. It's the number of Americans of all ages.

http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html
Nope.
Current Population Clock
U.S. 314,673,120
World 7,048,861,882
21:53 UTC (EST+5) Oct 29, 2012
23 2010 April 1, 2010 308,745,538
Even 2010 wasnt that small....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Census


Actually, you were missing something. You can admit it. It's really a small thing. And, as a demonstration: I was missing something, too. I thought we were just over 300M total population, and was wrong.



tazzygirl -> RE: A Tale of Two Tags (10/29/2012 4:31:40 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
quote:

I think you are missing something, tazzy. 301M isn't the number of Americans over the age of 18. It's the number of Americans of all ages.

http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html
Nope.
Current Population Clock
U.S. 314,673,120
World 7,048,861,882
21:53 UTC (EST+5) Oct 29, 2012
23 2010 April 1, 2010 308,745,538
Even 2010 wasnt that small....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Census


Actually, you were missing something. You can admit it. It's really a small thing. And, as a demonstration: I was missing something, too. I thought we were just over 300M total population, and was wrong.


My total was based upon 308,745,538 people, per the US census 2010

http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-03.pdf

with 24% removed for under age 18.



LookieNoNookie -> RE: A Tale of Two Tags (10/29/2012 5:00:43 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: FMRFGOPGAL

What's that they say about a picture being worth a thousand words?


[image]local://upfiles/1488921/1996C2B7456741B78197BD4E39304D69.jpg[/image]


Says to me that the Romney camp believes in cost effectiveness.



Politesub53 -> RE: A Tale of Two Tags (10/29/2012 5:27:34 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967

I never claimed the video was factual, however the figures I posted above it ARE factual, and a result of Obama's domestic policies. Erie chooses to remain ignorant, that's her choice.



Are you sure you have your facts right..........whats the word I am looking for here........ Oh yeah, EVIDENCE.

According to official statistics " The number of unemployed persons, at 12.1 million, decreased by
456,000 in September. "

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm



DesideriScuri -> RE: A Tale of Two Tags (10/29/2012 6:06:55 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
quote:

I think you are missing something, tazzy. 301M isn't the number of Americans over the age of 18. It's the number of Americans of all ages.

http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html
Nope.
Current Population Clock
U.S. 314,673,120
World 7,048,861,882
21:53 UTC (EST+5) Oct 29, 2012
23 2010 April 1, 2010 308,745,538
Even 2010 wasnt that small....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Census

Actually, you were missing something. You can admit it. It's really a small thing. And, as a demonstration: I was missing something, too. I thought we were just over 300M total population, and was wrong.

My total was based upon 308,745,538 people, per the US census 2010
http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-03.pdf
with 24% removed for under age 18.


So, you're sticking with your 301M number, then?

308M quartered is 77M. 77M x 3 = 231M. Now, that's only 75%, but I'm guessing that the next percentage point isn't carrying 70M people, so, your number is, indeed, incorrect. The link you gave showed that 243,275,505 Americans were 16 years old or older in 2010.

Thus, you did miss something. Add into it that not all of those 245M+ are looking for jobs (the participation rate I linked to). Had you gone with the BLS databases, as I did creating the graphs, you'd have seen that we have more jobs, but fewer people employed.



tazzygirl -> RE: A Tale of Two Tags (10/29/2012 6:14:50 PM)

Pst... might wanna check out Polite's post.

And, you are right. My math is off... making Rob's numbers even more implausible. 18 million.... is less than the 23 he quoted.. and that still doesnt take into consideration those who cant or dont wish to work.




DesideriScuri -> RE: A Tale of Two Tags (10/29/2012 6:27:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Pst... might wanna check out Polite's post.


Why?
[snip]
quote:

And, you are right. My math is off...

[snip]

<<Pastes it onto the calendar>> [:D]

quote:

making Rob's numbers even more implausible. 18 million.... is less than the 23 he quoted.. and that still doesnt take into consideration those who cant or dont wish to work.


I was no posting in support of Rob's 23M number. Feel free to hold him to that claim. [8D]

I'm not sure what your last phrase was referring to. Those that are not able, or aren't looking for work, aren't included in Unemployment numbers (except those who gave up because they have become discouraged).



slvemike4u -> RE: A Tale of Two Tags (10/29/2012 6:29:48 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTkbj56bnYs

Thats what I think when someone mentions bells.

Ron I clicked on to that link.....let's just say you are not real popular in my art of NC any longer [:@]



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