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Yachtie -> NYT hack piece (10/30/2012 6:16:31 AM)
A Big Storm Requires Big Government Most Americans have never heard of the National Response Coordination Center, but they’re lucky it exists on days of lethal winds and flood tides. The center is the war room of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, where officials gather to decide where rescuers should go, where drinking water should be shipped, and how to assist hospitals that have to evacuate. “Absolutely,” [Romney] said. “Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that’s the right direction. And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that’s even better.” Mr. Romney not only believes that states acting independently can handle the response to a vast East Coast storm better than Washington, but that profit-making companies can do an even better job. He said it was “immoral” for the federal government to do all these things if it means increasing the debt. It’s an absurd notion, but it’s fully in line with decades of Republican resistance to federal emergency planning. ... The agency was put back in working order by President Obama, but ideology still blinds Republicans to its value. Many don’t like the idea of free aid for poor people, or they think people should pay for their bad decisions, which this week includes living on the East Coast. ... Does Mr. Romney really believe that financially strapped states would do a better job than a properly functioning federal agency? ... On what basis does the NYT think the states cannot handle their own affairs? What is it about non-federal that makes such an absurd notion? On what basis does the NYT find that only the federal government can give aid to poor people? On what basis does the NTY state that NRCC (FEMA) is a properly functioning federal agency? The assumptions made are astounding. This piece by the NYT is pure crap and a hack job. It treats the several states as children, requiring parental supervision and control. If Romney means what he says about sending such back to the states that is a plus in his corner. As an aside, perhaps bad decisions includes people who subscribe to the NYT.

tazzygirl -> RE: NYT hack piece (10/30/2012 6:25:11 AM)
Wow, you really dont understand, do you. Take NJ. Sure, the cops and emergency teams there can handle the issues.... but they have issues of their own. Their own homes may have been destroyed, property damage, injuries in the family, fatalities. Didnt we hear about desertions during Katrina? States can only provide so much during and after disaster relief.

DesideriScuri -> RE: NYT hack piece (10/30/2012 6:46:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Wow, you really dont understand, do you. Take NJ. Sure, the cops and emergency teams there can handle the issues.... but they have issues of their own. Their own homes may have been destroyed, property damage, injuries in the family, fatalities. Didnt we hear about desertions during Katrina? States can only provide so much during and after disaster relief. It's true. States can only supply so much. That's why it isn't simply up to the States themselves. There are other solutions. ISOH-IMPACT has been to Haiti after their earthquake. They were down after Katrina, Rita, and Ivan (probably more, but those are the ones I can pick off the top of my head). They collected donations for Japan's nuclear disaster.

mnottertail -> RE: NYT hack piece (10/30/2012 6:50:31 AM)
I don't know that they are other solutions, just part of the solution. This is even too big for the federal government to handle alone, or ISO/Impact or any single organization. Sort of like the Telephone exchange, they are set up in the old days to handle about 10-20% of their subscribers picking up at once. With the advent of voice and data, internet and so on..............and our disaster rescources couldnt be staffed 24/7/365 and funded year round for the largest possible emergencies....

tazzygirl -> RE: NYT hack piece (10/30/2012 6:51:08 AM)
Yes, but those types of organizations arent immediate in their response. I am thinking more along the lines of within the first few days of a disaster. Then there is clean up, repairs, security.

DesideriScuri -> RE: NYT hack piece (10/30/2012 7:10:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Yes, but those types of organizations arent immediate in their response. I am thinking more along the lines of within the first few days of a disaster. Then there is clean up, repairs, security. ISOH-IMPACT starts gearing up prior to the disaster, if possible. I recall them requesting donations, etc. prior to Katrina making landfall. I think they were even already moving South so they could get in as quickly as possible after landfall. It's a top notch organization, really. If a disaster is predicted, they get started as soon as they can. FEMA isn't always there early, either. Much of this stuff is reaction. But, it's sorta difficult to be right there with the proper help before you know what help is going to be needed.

DesideriScuri -> RE: NYT hack piece (10/30/2012 7:14:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail I don't know that they are other solutions, just part of the solution. This is even too big for the federal government to handle alone, or ISO/Impact or any single organization. Sort of like the Telephone exchange, they are set up in the old days to handle about 10-20% of their subscribers picking up at once. With the advent of voice and data, internet and so on..............and our disaster rescources couldnt be staffed 24/7/365 and funded year round for the largest possible emergencies.... I'm in an Electronic Communications class right now. The instructor has pointed out several times how telephone companies fucked themselves (my paraphrasing). Relying on analog and not upgrading to digital communications cost them mightily. Cable companies recognized the opportunity and jumped in to crowd the phone companies, with regards to internet/data services. Even now, landline networks, cable networks, and mobile networks aren't set up for service to 100% of their customers at once. It's simply a risk they have taken and haven't been burned too much by yet.

mnottertail -> RE: NYT hack piece (10/30/2012 7:16:37 AM)
Right, and they never can be 100%. Cost prohibitive. Look at what a broadband connection is --- at least $60 a month, and you are often cockblocked.

subspaceseven -> RE: NYT hack piece (10/30/2012 7:36:16 AM)
quote: ISOH-IMPACT I fail to understand how this group is going to help in a disaster?? The ISOH web site http://www.isoh.org/pages/index.html [:)]

DesideriScuri -> RE: NYT hack piece (10/30/2012 7:44:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subspaceseven quote: ISOH-IMPACT I fail to understand how this group is going to help in a disaster?? The ISOH web site http://www.isoh.org/pages/index.html [:)] It was linked to in Post#3 properly regarding their preparations for Sandy. ISOH/IMPACT is the homepage.

DomKen -> RE: NYT hack piece (10/30/2012 7:45:00 AM)
Does anyone really believe a bunch of small charities could respond effectively to a disaster as widespread as Sandy? New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Delaware and Pennsylvania all have flooding. West Virginia, Maryland and Virginia have areas of blizzard conditions. Wind damage covers an even large area. What does a less than $12 million a year regional charity do in the face of this?

mnottertail -> RE: NYT hack piece (10/30/2012 7:54:59 AM)
They provide sleeping bags and stolen hotel shampoo (all donated) to wash and sleep your asscrack. Government provides housing solutions, grants, low interest loans, pumps, people and so on. Like I said, a small bit player, but a PART and only a small part of the solution to this crisis.

thompsonx -> RE: NYT hack piece (10/30/2012 7:55:36 AM)
quote: This piece by the NYT is pure crap and a hack job. It treats the several states as children, requiring parental supervision and control. If Romney means what he says about sending such back to the states that is a plus in his corner. As an aside, perhaps bad decisions includes people who subscribe to the NYT. Once again your post is filled with short sighted moronic "me first" drivel.

slvemike4u -> RE: NYT hack piece (10/30/2012 7:59:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Does anyone really believe a bunch of small charities could respond effectively to a disaster as widespread as Sandy? New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Delaware and Pennsylvania all have flooding. West Virginia, Maryland and Virginia have areas of blizzard conditions. Wind damage covers an even large area. What does a less than $12 million a year regional charity do in the face of this? Apparently Yachtie does...and Romney,not to mention Republicans in general as the Times piece pointed out in their excellent Op-Ed piece.[:D]

DomKen -> RE: NYT hack piece (10/30/2012 8:02:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail They provide sleeping bags and stolen hotel shampoo (all donated) to wash and sleep your asscrack. Government provides housing solutions, grants, low interest loans, pumps, people and so on. Like I said, a small bit player, but a PART and only a small part of the solution to this crisis. Can you even imagine the amount of potable water that needs to get into New Jersey in the next few days? Without a federal response how would the water even get distributed if charities could supply all that H20.

Lucylastic -> RE: NYT hack piece (10/30/2012 8:06:49 AM)
WTF....Poor folks in the face of natures awesome ability to devastate would essentially be on their own or at the mercy of local charities and such. As the op-ed pointed out a point could be made that Romney is just following a tradition of recent Republican Presidents,namely Bush the lesser ,who demoted FEMA from Cabinet rank ,than folded it under Homeland Security ,finally handing it off to a political hack ("Brownie,you're doing a hell'uva job down there") And just what the people suffering need now...price gouging by Romenys wish to send it back to the private sector... thats gonna help only the gougers

PunisherNOLA -> RE: NYT hack piece (10/30/2012 8:08:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Yes, but those types of organizations arent immediate in their response. I am thinking more along the lines of within the first few days of a disaster. Then there is clean up, repairs, security. ISOH-IMPACT starts gearing up prior to the disaster, if possible. I recall them requesting donations, etc. prior to Katrina making landfall. I think they were even already moving South so they could get in as quickly as possible after landfall. It's a top notch organization, really. If a disaster is predicted, they get started as soon as they can. FEMA isn't always there early, either. Much of this stuff is reaction. But, it's sorta difficult to be right there with the proper help before you know what help is going to be needed. When I was evacuating before Katrina, I saw several FEMA vehicles heading toward the area expected to be impacted by the storm. They were there in time.

vincentML -> RE: NYT hack piece (10/30/2012 8:13:56 AM)
"I have to say, the administration, the president, himself and FEMA Administrator Craig Fugate have been outstanding with us so far," Christie said on Good Morning America. "We have a great partnership with them." Gov. Christie Praises President Obama Gov Christie breaks ranks with conservatives' bullshit. Yachtie blows out conservatives' wind. Your timing couldn't been worse, bro. Hopefully Romney will follow your game plan. [:D]

slvemike4u -> RE: NYT hack piece (10/30/2012 8:14:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PunisherNOLA quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Yes, but those types of organizations arent immediate in their response. I am thinking more along the lines of within the first few days of a disaster. Then there is clean up, repairs, security. ISOH-IMPACT starts gearing up prior to the disaster, if possible. I recall them requesting donations, etc. prior to Katrina making landfall. I think they were even already moving South so they could get in as quickly as possible after landfall. It's a top notch organization, really. If a disaster is predicted, they get started as soon as they can. FEMA isn't always there early, either. Much of this stuff is reaction. But, it's sorta difficult to be right there with the proper help before you know what help is going to be needed. When I was evacuating before Katrina, I saw several FEMA vehicles heading toward the area expected to be impacted by the storm. They were there in time. Fema's work during Katrina was the perfect example of the old saying...."Republicans run on the platform that government does not work,once elected they go about proving this " [:)]

mnottertail -> RE: NYT hack piece (10/30/2012 8:16:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail They provide sleeping bags and stolen hotel shampoo (all donated) to wash and sleep your asscrack. Government provides housing solutions, grants, low interest loans, pumps, people and so on. Like I said, a small bit player, but a PART and only a small part of the solution to this crisis. Can you even imagine the amount of potable water that needs to get into New Jersey in the next few days? Without a federal response how would the water even get distributed if charities could supply all that H20. I imagine that our socialist government will buy it up, and truck it in from other states, and preside over one of the largest redistributions of water wealth in our nations history.

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