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Willards campaign passes out false info - 10/30/2012 6:24:07 AM   
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In Wisconsin willards campaign has been passing out false voter rights information in their training of poll watchers.
The link below is to the packet they handed out, I listed some of the lies and misinformation

If you can't win honestly just make sure you win....yea,..just America needs...another lying GOP President

http://m.mittromney.com/forms/wisconsin-election-day-operations-task-force-training packet

BS in the packet

One blatant falsehood occurs on page 16 of the training packet, which informed poll watchers that any identification cards from a voter “must include a photo”, despite the fact that Wisconsin’s voter ID law has been blocked by multiple state judges for this election.

The training also encouraged volunteers to deceive election workers and the public about who they were associated with. On page 5 of the packet, Romney poll workers were instructed to hide their affiliation with the campaign and told to sign in at the polls as a “concerned citizen” instead. As Kristina Sesek, Romney’s legal counsel who just graduated from Marquette Law School last year, explained, “We’re going to have you sign in this election cycle as a ‘concerned citizen.’ We’re just trying to alleviate some of the animosity of being a Republican observer up front.”

CLAIM: Any “person [who] has been convicted of treason, a felony, or bribery” isn’t eligible to vote. (Page 10) FACT: Once a person who has been convicted of a felony completes his or her sentence, including probation and fines, that person is eligible to vote.

FACT: Once a person who has been convicted of a felony completes his or her sentence, including probation and fines, that person is eligible to vote.

CLAIM: “If a handicapped voter is unable to come into the polls to vote, an assistant can deliver the ballot to the voter if the CEI verifies the elector’s proof of residency.” (Page 19)

FACT: Under Wisconsin law, the CEI (Chief Election Inspector) does not have to verify proof of residency so long as the voter is registered.

CLAIM: Page 16 lists 10 items as “The ONLY Acceptable Forms of “Proof of Residency”.

FACT: Not only are two of the items patently false — those that say photo ID is required — but the list used is far from complete. There are many other documents people can use to prove residency that are not included, such as letters from public schools, student loan papers, correspondance with a Native American tribe in WIsconsin, vehicle registration, and food stamp correspondences.
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RE: Willards campaign passes out false info - 10/30/2012 6:30:05 AM   
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Link has nothing about any packet.

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RE: Willards campaign passes out false info - 10/30/2012 6:36:43 AM   
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Oh FFS

Its not that freakin hard to find.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/10/30/1106961/romney-wisconsin-poll-watchers/

And before you dismiss the source out of hand, there is a link to the actual packet as well.

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RE: Willards campaign passes out false info - 10/30/2012 6:36:58 AM   
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They have an add here running that says Chrysler is closing here and moving to China......Chrysler said it was false but they are still running it....desperation time in Ohio

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RE: Willards campaign passes out false info - 10/30/2012 6:48:21 AM   
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quote:

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They have an add here running that says Chrysler is closing here and moving to China......Chrysler said it was false but they are still running it....desperation time in Ohio



This is what it's all about -

Coming hot on the heels of speculation that some Jeep production may be moved to China comes a bombshell from a Bloomberg report. Fiat is now considering moving Chrysler and Jeep production to Italy.

According to the piece, "To counter the severe slump in European sales, (Fiat CEO Sergio) Marchionne is considering building Chrysler models in Italy, including Jeeps, for export to North America. The Italian government is evaluating tax rebates on export goods to help Fiat. Marchionne may announce details of his plan as soon as Oct. 30, the people said."

So, let's be real clear here, we are talking about vehicles that will be built in Italy and exported to America. The evidence is clear that Fiat is looking at ways to move production of vehicles from the US to elsewhere, whether it be China or Italy, costing American jobs. This is becoming indisputable, despite outcries from certain parties to the contrary.


Link to Bloomberg article

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RE: Willards campaign passes out false info - 10/30/2012 6:50:17 AM   
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They have an add here running that says Chrysler is closing here and moving to China......Chrysler said it was false but they are still running it....desperation time in Ohio


Wasn't the ad stating that Chrysler is looking into moving all production to China?

While ad would still not be completely accurate, I think it's a more accurate portrayal of the ad.

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RE: Willards campaign passes out false info - 10/30/2012 6:51:06 AM   
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The bloomberg article is wrong. As Chrysler has pointed out.

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RE: Willards campaign passes out false info - 10/30/2012 6:52:57 AM   
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So Fiat, a foreign corporation is looking to shave bucks, bring their work to thier home for tax advantage...............hmmmmmmm, are them goddamn spaghetti benders turning into American Style Capitalists?

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RE: Willards campaign passes out false info - 10/30/2012 6:56:51 AM   
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Its complete bullshit. Refuted by Chrysler. That romney doesn't want to take the ad down just simply bolsters his look of desperation in Ohio.

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RE: Willards campaign passes out false info - 10/30/2012 7:01:21 AM   
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the bloomberg piece was AFTER Romney stated it in his speech, had it refuted and STILL went on to make the ad...THe bloomberg piece is dated the 28th
I posted about it here back on the 26th http://www.collarchat.com/m_4279416/tm.htm
conveniently ignored by the right.....

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RE: Willards campaign passes out false info - 10/30/2012 7:16:38 AM   
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The real hypocrite is willard in this, he states in the ad Chrysler planned to move “all production to China,” which the Romney campaign has thus far refused to address.

In reality the President has nothing to do with a company that chooses to move, even though not 1 American job will be shipped overseas...though the house can change the laws so businesses do not get tax breaks for moving...I wonder why they don't????

Now willard is saying the President should be doing all he can to keep jobs here in the USA, True, however willard has a direct connection to Bain capital closing down a factory in Freeport and moving all jobs and equipment to China, willard will profit from this move while he preaches others should do what they can to save jobs, just not him because he has money to make

From his speech about Jeep...." I will fight for every good job in America, I’m going to fight to make sure trade is fair.” But not the ones he personally profits from when they get shipped overseas.


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RE: Willards campaign passes out false info - 10/30/2012 7:18:21 AM   
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He has no desire to follow his own rhetoric.   If people don't get that he is running his mouth based on dissatisfaction polls............he is like the young dude that will say anything to get the pussy; anything.

But he won't come calling tomorrow. 

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RE: Willards campaign passes out false info - 10/30/2012 7:20:58 AM   
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From the same article...

The Bloomberg News piece he referenced, though, made it clear that Fiat, the Italian company that now owns Chrysler, was opening new factories in China to make Jeeps for Chinese consumers. No American plants will be closed, and no American jobs will be lost. The ad’s claim may not be as false as Romney’s previous statement, but it is certainly misleading.

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RE: Willards campaign passes out false info - 10/30/2012 7:25:32 AM   
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Not just in Ohio, on local stattions and news here we are seeing Ryan run ads to keep his house seat. Something he has not done since being selected as the running mate. Ryan dumped about $2 million into his house campaign to run the ads..Hmmm..perhaps he knows something the rest of the righties don't......

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RE: Willards campaign passes out false info - 10/30/2012 7:25:49 AM   
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/4-pinocchios-for-mitt-romneys-misleading-ad-on-chrysler-and-china/2012/10/29/2a153a04-21d7-11e2-ac85-e669876c6a24_blog.html

oops back to the topic, ...my bad

Yep the package can be found on Scribd
http://www.scribd.com/doc/111511311/Romney-Volunteer-Observer-Training

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RE: Willards campaign passes out false info - 10/30/2012 7:40:09 AM   
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quote:

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From the same article...
The Bloomberg News piece he referenced, though, made it clear that Fiat, the Italian company that now owns Chrysler, was opening new factories in China to make Jeeps for Chinese consumers. No American plants will be closed, and no American jobs will be lost. The ad’s claim may not be as false as Romney’s previous statement, but it is certainly misleading.


But, isn't opening a plant in China to make Jeeps for the Chinese not reducing jobs here? I mean, if they are being made here now, for export to China, how is it not going to reduce the work here when they are instead made over there?

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RE: Willards campaign passes out false info - 10/30/2012 7:51:19 AM   
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Here's what is true: Chrysler is indeed considering a plan to make Jeeps in China. But it's not planning to send those Jeeps to the U.S. to sell -- and it's definitely not planning to close the factories that currently make Jeeps in Michigan, Illinois, and Ohio.

Why would Chrysler want to make Jeeps in China? Lots of reasons, but one big one in particular: China places heavy taxes on imported cars and trucks. Non-Chinese automakers that want to do business in China's booming auto market are almost always better off building their cars and trucks locally.

Nearly all of the automakers you've ever heard of are either building cars in China already or making plans to do so.

So Romneys Claims ARE still wrong
"I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state Jeep — now owned by the Italians — is thinking of moving all production to China," Romney said at a rally in Defiance, Ohio, home to a General Motors powertrain plant. "I will fight for every good job in America. I'm going to fight to make sure trade is fair, and if it's fair America will win."

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121026/POLITICS01/210260402#ixzz2AnITJKxO

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RE: Willards campaign passes out false info - 10/30/2012 7:51:55 AM   
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Well to stay on topic, willard should have honest info when training his people..Why don't you respond to the topic..or are you supporting the training of campaign workers to give out misleading and false information to voters

as to your response, how is it Obama's fault? True they are opening a factory in China, the government has no control over what a company chooses to do or where they open a factory, and the President can't really do much, that would be up to the GOP led house to start changing the laws for tax breaks to those companies. Why don't they

And willard is the largest share holder in Bain captical, he can stop jobs from moving overseas today, in Freeport IL, but he refuses to address the issue, yet he has no problem profiting from it, while on the stump preaching he will do all he can to save American jobs, but refuses to step in and actually save an American his job Bain is moving to China

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RE: Willards campaign passes out false info - 10/30/2012 8:21:58 AM   
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And willard is the largest share holder in Bain captical, he can stop jobs from moving overseas today, in Freeport IL, but he refuses to address the issue, yet he has no problem profiting from it, while on the stump preaching he will do all he can to save American jobs, but refuses to step in and actually save an American his job Bain is moving to China

I think its funny how people get so up in arms about jobs going to China or some other country.. And yet they do things everyday that put their fellow Americans outta work by using technology... consider how many bank clerks are now outta work cuz you selfish people insist on online banking.. or the postal workers that lose their job cuz you selfishly text or email instead of writing letters & mailing them.. or the multitude of other ways YOU use technology to put someone outta jobs!!!!
People, the enemy is YOU..

"Technology is creeping up the pay scale. While technologies of the past usually displaced mostly jobs that were dull, dirty and dangerous, machines are now mastering skills that used to be uniquely human. We're not far away from machines that can replace drivers, pilots and soldiers; handle the varied communications tasks performed by secretaries, customer-service workers and language translators; and even diagnose ills the way an M.D. might."

"If you're worried about a robot invading your cubicle, be thankful if you don't live in the emerging markets. There, companies use just seven robots per 10,000 workers, compared with 130 per 10,000 workers in the U.S., 300 in Japan and 50 globally. Thus, a robot's job search is easiest in emerging markets, where companies have the most ground to make up. And they will. In China, government pressure for higher wages already has managers looking to robots to lift margins.
That's one reason the use of automation will grow 15% to 40% a year over the next five years -- making it a great investment theme"

"Thanks in part to texting, email and apps like smartphone banking, the Bureau of Labor Statistics says 181,800 U.S. Postal Service workers will lose their jobs between 2010 and 2020, 28% of the total."

"Technology is advancing so quickly that virtually no job category is safe."


http://money.msn.com/investing/12-machines-that-want-your-job-1

http://money.msn.com/technology-investment/c_gallerysidebyside.aspx?cp-documentid=250221329

just sayin'

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RE: Willards campaign passes out false info - 10/30/2012 8:47:24 AM   
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Well lets take each point

Online banking, I don't do it, I still write checks, I still go to my bank. Though My bank has now begun to charge for seeing a teller, I think you are confusing BIG BANKS making profits and getting rid of people to use machines. I'm not the one who is forcing ATM's on me, I'm not the one closing down teller windows and charging to see a teller, BIG BANKS are. And Gosh their profits are soaring...

The postal workers...Hmmm you mean the bill written by Tom Delay (who got money from UPS and FedEX) and passed by the GOP making them be the only employer in the whole country who has to pay for medical, pension plans and the such 75 years in advance (equalling trillions of dollars) has nothing to do with the postal service have a cash flow problem??????

But back to the topic ...misinformation is OK with you then, as long as willard wins,, lie all you have to just win


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