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I've spent my whole life in NJ.... 44 yrs of it in Northern NJ....Bergen county to be specific;

The state is a friggin national disaster area....Do you get that? Don't nitpick over the rainfall...at times it was falling that quickly, unless the news was lying to me...Either way, it rained hard enough long enough to cause 3 ft flooding in areas of NJ that have never had that. It caused tons of trees to come down. Sure trees have come done before, but not like this...not to this extent. Have you looked at the photos of some of these areas?. You just keep ignoring the facts and blaming anyone who lives near so much as a puddle of water for their own demise.

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Yeah. Then there was the town of Bay St. Louis, Mississippi. Bay St. Louis had a population of 8,209 for the 2000 census. (8,143 in July 2002). Well, the storm surge there was only 30.3 feet. Hey .... here's a link to a FEMA photograph of the "Main Drag" in and out of town back in October 2005. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FEMA_-_16964_-_Photograph_by_John_Fleck_taken_on_10-04-2005_in_Mississippi.jpg Have any roads that look like that in New Jersey ?

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

In any case, doing such would violate every fire code I am aware of if there wasn't going to be someone watching that candle burn 24/7 while needed.

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As for the dry ice?  The local dealer was well sold out before the storm, so obviously many people did try to do that.

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The rest is basic common sense.

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

"Etc., etc., et al., etc. ... " "Be a weed eater, etc. ... "

You're so darned right about that, Edwynn, it isn't funny! I taught myself about many of the medicinal/edible plants, wild and cultivated, about 13 years ago, and little offers me more comfort than knowing I have, and can rely upon, that knowledge. I actually do use it a lot, and some plants have actually become my medical mainstays for certain chronic and acute health issues, that might otherwise have put one in the hospital.

Sensing that we are in times that are, and shall become, increasingly difficult, economically, weather-wise and otherwise, I decided to offer free classes this year in Colorado Springs, where I'd take folks on wild foraging walks to share with them how to identify and use plants as food and medicine. I was more than pleasantly shocked at the average turnouts (75 people per walk!), and their intense, sudden level of interest. I even had several people go on as many as three of my walks, to more deeply ingrain the new knowledge.

Many people are finally starting to wake up, and can tell the times, they a changin', and they'd better do something about it. If any one wants a little help in the edible/medicinal plant department, they are welcome to PM me.

Here's a little local news blurb about my walks at the article's bottom: http://www.gazette.com/news/small-144995-potatoes-growing.html

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

That's great Dusky.  The only problem is that if you lived here, unless you had it all packed into a covered truck and evacuated, it would all be under water and destroyed.

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ORIGINAL: nameonhold

And heck, why would any town along the Atlantic coast flood ? That ocean is never going to flood out any of those towns. Heck, the water will go the other way. There's nothing to worry about. All those floods you hear about all the time in the newspaper, that's happening in some other ocean. Heck, the odds of the Atlantic Ocean getting up a tidal surge that would bring the ocean in land by a mile ..... is almost incalculable. Nobody with any brains at all could possibly take such a treat seriously.

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

That's great Dusky.  The only problem is that if you lived here, unless you had it all packed into a covered truck and evacuated, it would all be under water and destroyed.

The usual containers for everything Dusky mentioned are entirely or almost entirely waterproof. No different than more than half the standard items bought off the grocery shelves.

Unless you're trying to tell us that all the cans of soup previously stocked in cupboards in NJ are completely destroyed now.

I think I'm starting to see the problem here.

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Running their televisions? For what, static? New York and NJ are very mountainous areas and even with digital televisions, you aren't getting anything without cable of some kind. But running a refridgerator to keep food from spoiling and a space heater to keep from freezing will burn gas pretty quickly. Sure, it would be nice if all those NYC tenements came with wood burning stoves or fireplaces, or even if the houses all over NJ had them, but they don't, so people will do what they can to stay warm, such as using a generator or sitting in your car with the heat on.

Normally, you make a good amount of sense, but honestly, your statements regarding people's lack of preparation when it comes to gasoline makes no sense or is just completely ignorant.

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

That's great Dusky.  The only problem is that if you lived here, unless you had it all packed into a covered truck and evacuated, it would all be under water and destroyed.

The usual containers for everything Dusky mentioned are entirely or almost entirely waterproof. No different than more than half the standard items bought off the grocery shelves.

Unless you're trying to tell us that all the cans of soup previously stocked in cupboards in NJ are completely destroyed now.

I think I'm starting to see the problem here.

The problem being all the talk about what they can't do instead of talking about what they can do. 

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I realized 'they' were not coming to my house or cleaning up my street because 'they' were too busy clearing the most essential roads and restoring power to the establishments most important to basic functioning of the community.

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ORIGINAL: Baroana

to the OP

consider this the nice version of my response. my apartment finally got its electricity restored last night, and therefore I am in a far better mood than I otherwise would have been.

FUCK YOU...

for somehow trying to make yourself feel better, or perhaps just for trying to make others feel worse, by suggesting that what happened to the people out here was our own fault somehow.

how dare you?
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I don't know what everybody on the coast of the eastern United States did. I only know what I did, which was what I could and not much at that. I stocked up on some non perishable foods, as well as candles, matches, and flashlight batteries. I filled my 15 gallon Honda Civic tank and took some cash out of the ATM. I did laundry and gathered some blankets, and then I fucking well hoped for the best.

what the fuck else could I do? I could not stop trees from falling down. I could not "prepare" the street to be flood proof. I could not put out electrical fires in advance or repair broken windows ahead of time.

do you understand that gas refineries lost fucking power, and so did the fucking power plants themselves? if large government and commercial entities could not protect themselves, what makes you think that the general population should have fared better?

moreover, what the hell do you know about what was prepared for or what was prevented? as far as I know, things would have been worse if people weren't prepared. so again, fuck you.

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ORIGINAL: nameonhold

But I honestly can't buy into the notion that anyone is bitching "no food" after less than a week. One week's worth of groceries is not a lot of groceries.

It hasn't been "less than a week". Actually it's been about 9 days now since areas in NJ were first hit with the storm. And about 2 days before that (10-11 days ago) shelves in grocery stores were being emptied by consumers before the first raindrop fell; all the water gone, dry goods, etc. And yes, a week's worth of groceries can be "a lot" if you're feeding....... say...a family of 4. (However, it looks like it's going to be a lot more than a week for thousands of people.)

At any rate, let's say people DID stock up on enough water and dry foods. Where do you keep all of that?? In your now submerged car? In your attic underneath the tree that crashed through the roof? Or in your kitchen cabinets which are now floating in 3 feet of dirty water?

By the way....It isn't just homes that were built on the friggin beach. We're talking about coastal states. Have any of you blow-hards actually researched any of the facts? Do any of you understand how much geographic area this storm covered? This movement was dropping something like an inch of rain per hour for 3 days. Anyone living within 10 miles of a babbling brook was subject to flooding.

Our transmission stations are under water. No electric isn't just about not having luxuries. It equals state agencies being closed, courthouses being closed, grocery stores, gas stations, etc etc. Which means businesses can't run, people can't get gas in their cars (if they're lucky enough to have one left) and they can't get to work. Heck, some of them don't even have to "worry" about such pesky things because "work" has no electric or is now under water.

This was a natural disaster...It's not the fault of the people who are affected by it. Businesses have been washed out to sea, roads and inlets are obliterated, nyc transportation was flooded out...the tunnels, the subways etc. Homes are crushed by falling trees, or flooded out, split in half, or burned, hospitals in some areas have had to consolidate patients. Thousands of people have no where to live, can't get to a bank, have lost their businesses, jobs, homes, possessions, everything but the clothes on their backs, literally. There was no way to stop this shit. Yeah, let's all join hands and hold back the fucking ocean, 50 mph winds, high tides, and a stormfront the size of 4 continents.

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In many rural areas in this country, you learn to be self-reliant or you live without. Self-reliance is NOT the same as saying "fuck everyone else."

blah blah blah

You're talking about surviving without electricity. These people are "surviving" without their homes, vehicles, clothes, jobs, money food and water,.

Hey...I got an ideal.....Let's pluck you off your high horse and drop you off in 4ft of muddy water in the middle of nowhere with nothing but the wet clothes on your back. Start from scratch like some of these poor souls now have to do, and we'll see how "self-reliant" you really are.

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ORIGINAL: Baroana

to the OP

consider this the nice version of my response. my apartment finally got its electricity restored last night, and therefore I am in a far better mood than I otherwise would have been.

FUCK YOU...

for somehow trying to make yourself feel better, or perhaps just for trying to make others feel worse, by suggesting that what happened to the people out here was our own fault somehow.

how dare you?
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I don't know what everybody on the coast of the eastern United States did. I only know what I did, which was what I could and not much at that. I stocked up on some non perishable foods, as well as candles, matches, and flashlight batteries. I filled my 15 gallon Honda Civic tank and took some cash out of the ATM. I did laundry and gathered some blankets, and then I fucking well hoped for the best.

what the fuck else could I do? I could not stop trees from falling down. I could not "prepare" the street to be flood proof. I could not put out electrical fires in advance or repair broken windows ahead of time.

do you understand that gas refineries lost fucking power, and so did the fucking power plants themselves? if large government and commercial entities could not protect themselves, what makes you think that the general population should have fared better?

moreover, what the hell do you know about what was prepared for or what was prevented? as far as I know, things would have been worse if people weren't prepared. so again, fuck you.

Perhaps you have addressed this to the wrong person...I am not the op.

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ORIGINAL: TheGorenSociety

FYI, I have been bitching about it for decades.Slamming them as you say might just get them off  the a pathetic couch and take action that benefits themselves and their neighbors.