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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 8:57:23 AM

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The point I was trying to make, was nothing has changed over all FUBAR situation be tween katrina and Sandy.

So the timelag between the response to Sandy and the response to Katrina has not improved at all, then?
I'd be interested to hear how you worked that one out as we'd still be waiting for anything to get done about the problems caused by Sandy if that was the case.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 9:03:12 AM

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All I can say is from experiences I have had personally, you can only mitigate it so far and then deal with the situation as it happens. Being prepared for that eventuality goes along way.

Now as for the elderly, the authorities failed them plain and simple. They should have already evac them out and those who did not evac should be on the hot list as the first ones to go after after the event.Sandy is a lot like Andrew was in that you had the northern part of Miami running as normal yet anything below kendall road was toast.One of my girls mother and her brother live in Jersey. Her brother is a very can do man. Their mother is elderly and she lives across the street normally. after the storm he moved her to his house where he had less damaged then hers and has enough food meds and electricity by way of the 2 generators we set up in April while he was deployed. His fore sight save his family all kinds of grief. Even as they lost one house completely.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 9:16:20 AM

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All I can say is from experiences I have had personally, you can only mitigate it so far and then deal with the situation as it happens. Being prepared for that eventuality goes along way.

Now as for the elderly, the authorities failed them plain and simple. They should have already evac them out and those who did not evac should be on the hot list as the first ones to go after after the event.Sandy is a lot like Andrew was in that you had the northern part of Miami running as normal yet anything below kendall road was toast.One of my girls mother and her brother live in Jersey. Her brother is a very can do man. Their mother is elderly and she lives across the street normally. after the storm he moved her to his house where he had less damaged then hers and has enough food meds and electricity by way of the 2 generators we set up in April while he was deployed. His fore sight save his family all kinds of grief. Even as they lost one house completely.

The problem with Andrew was that it was initially supposed to hit the Dade/Broward county line. By the time they realized that the front might push it due west and gave the evacuation order for everyone south of SW 200th st, the winds were already pushing gale force.
Add to that, the geography of the area. You can't go south because the keys are there and noone goes to the keys for a hurricane. You can't go due west because there are no cross state roads south of SW 8th st and that's just 2 lanes. You can't go east because there's an ocean and who wants to go North because that's where the thing is supposed to hit and running toward a hurricane in gale force winds seems a bit silly.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 9:19:35 AM

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Look man Iam comparing not the two storms directly, but most of the storms from the last 20 years including Andrew. We got 3 hurricanes here in Florida with 4 weeks all them pounding on the State on already damaged homes and facilities. The
Federal government nor the States learned from our hard earned lessons. You are comparing two far different dynamics in storms. New Orleans dumped a lot more rain into a undersea level fishbowl as a weak category 3 storm.Sandy was no near that strength. The only thing it had going for it was large scale rain dumped a lot of water, add bad tides timing wise. the surge was not nearly as bad as it could have been.
After last years floods, they should have learned the lesson to better prepare for flooding and storm water. Better building codes should have mitigated a large amount of the damage done. Restricting building along the barrier islands and restoring natural protection zones goes along way in storm surge. Which they knew back in the early 20-30's due to the last major hurricane that cleaned their clocks.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 9:24:29 AM

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I agree I was down in the Redlands back then My brother was up in Kendell. Most of my employees where spread all over the place.that was a very bad day. We got very lucky as well due to the storm went through very very fast. The tornadoes in the bands is what got my house then.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 9:25:00 AM

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I was just touching on why there wasn't better evac before Andrew. The good thing is that pretty much anything north of SW 104th St was livable even if it had no power.
I stayed at a friend's apartment on sunset(paid for by all the steaks in my freezer and a bottle of Glenmorangie that I salvaged)
Then, I moved into an empty office at the company I worked for up in the grove. which was totally intact. (and they had me in the lab taking care of backlog 24/7)
Fortunately, Andrew was a really tiny hurricane that hit an area that is about as rural as it gets on the SE quarter of the state. It just so happened that the eye rolled right over my unhappy ass.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 9:39:08 AM

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True, well for me I trekked up to tamiami airport and ended up being commandeered by the air force to perform air rescue with the incoming black hawks. I stayed up at my brothers apartment while they were in California .They got nailed but luckily I had prepared for it well and the apartment did not suffer at all until the rains came back a week later because the roof was gone and then as you know everything got soaked.No power the whole time. I set up the relief facility down by sw 152nd and the disposal areas for the corps out towards the glades.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 10:19:36 AM

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to the OP

consider this the nice version of my response. my apartment finally got its electricity restored last night, and therefore I am in a far better mood than I otherwise would have been.

FUCK YOU...

for somehow trying to make yourself feel better, or perhaps just for trying to make others feel worse, by suggesting that what happened to the people out here was our own fault somehow.

how dare you?
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I don't know what everybody on the coast of the eastern United States did. I only know what I did, which was what I could and not much at that. I stocked up on some non perishable foods, as well as candles, matches, and flashlight batteries. I filled my 15 gallon Honda Civic tank and took some cash out of the ATM. I did laundry and gathered some blankets, and then I fucking well hoped for the best.

what the fuck else could I do? I could not stop trees from falling down. I could not "prepare" the street to be flood proof. I could not put out electrical fires in advance or repair broken windows ahead of time.

do you understand that gas refineries lost fucking power, and so did the fucking power plants themselves? if large government and commercial entities could not protect themselves, what makes you think that the general population should have fared better?

moreover, what the hell do you know about what was prepared for or what was prevented? as far as I know, things would have been worse if people weren't prepared. so again, fuck you.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 10:21:51 AM

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I'm glad you're in a better mood.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 10:31:03 AM

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And you are suggesting that people were replenishing their gas tanks because they drove to work.

Entirely tangential, but this is yet another reason to aim for better MPG. In a situation where you can't tank up easily, higher MPG will get you further on the same tank. In a city, a hybrid car can be crazy efficient when compared to a regular car, since it runs off the battery when the traffic is going too slow for the engine to be needed. Kind of like what I said about using a UPS with your generator; avoids the power waste, by buffering the excess power and the peak loads.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 10:42:41 AM

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Having other human beings work for them for free.

Not for free. They were bought and paid for.

Plus, quite a bit of money went into the troops that would suppress revolts and the like.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 10:49:20 AM

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When you are standing on the tracks and the train is bearing down on you, you are no longer dealing with infinitesimal probabilities.

In truth, you do need to react quickly and correctly, and be capable of doing so, to have a shot at dealing with an oncoming train.

It seems to me a lot of people lacked training as to the former, and resources as to the latter.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 11:24:28 AM

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The problem we have is a failure of a lot of different system. the PTB fail at making changes required for all of us .We the people end up paying the bulk of the price. This is not a rich versus poor or any other particular faction, it is simply corruption/ graft what have you and a failure for them to be held accountable for their actions or in actions.Aswad I agree with your assessment .

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 12:22:39 PM

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One of the things i did to prepare (i'm 50 miles west of the NJ shore) was to do all the laundry. As it turned out our electricity was out only for part of three days. If it had been off longer - for several weeks - clean laundry would come in handy.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 12:44:15 PM

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Yeah laundry among other things. Try living in a popup for a year with five adults 2 kids and a dog.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 1:37:48 PM

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I am thinking a few more popups were required.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 1:45:01 PM

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what the fuck else could I do? I could not stop trees from falling down. I could not "prepare" the street to be flood proof. I could not put out electrical fires in advance or repair broken windows ahead of time.

Very dramatic, Baroana, but not what the OP was about. Was not a sweeping accusation. But, if it makes you feel better to rant at me, have at it.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 1:50:11 PM

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And you are suggesting that people were replenishing their gas tanks because they drove to work.

Entirely tangential, but this is yet another reason to aim for better MPG. In a situation where you can't tank up easily, higher MPG will get you further on the same tank. In a city, a hybrid car can be crazy efficient when compared to a regular car, since it runs off the battery when the traffic is going too slow for the engine to be needed. Kind of like what I said about using a UPS with your generator; avoids the power waste, by buffering the excess power and the peak loads.

IWYW,
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We are aware of all that and moving in that direction, Aswad. Bear in mind however our geography. We are an expansive nation with long distance highways. Not quite the same as running about in your tight little streets with a Smart car.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 2:39:39 PM

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Having other human beings work for them for free.

Not for free. They were bought and paid for.

Plus, quite a bit of money went into the troops that would suppress revolts and the like.

IWYW,
— Aswad.

Yes, quite - I meant free as in no wages for the actual worker. I would argue that even with the economic payments that were made (purchase price to slave traders and room and board) that the owners of slaves came out way ahead, and it is undeniable that the slaves had nothing to show for their hard work in the way of cash. I would also like to point out that a certain percentage of slaves in ancient cultures were conquered peoples who were not purchased as we would normally think.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 2:43:24 PM

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And you are suggesting that people were replenishing their gas tanks because they drove to work.

Entirely tangential, but this is yet another reason to aim for better MPG. In a situation where you can't tank up easily, higher MPG will get you further on the same tank. In a city, a hybrid car can be crazy efficient when compared to a regular car, since it runs off the battery when the traffic is going too slow for the engine to be needed. Kind of like what I said about using a UPS with your generator; avoids the power waste, by buffering the excess power and the peak loads.

IWYW,
— Aswad.

are they actually more efficient??? can you prove that to me, links please? cuz seriously, my mothers old toyota echo non-hybrid got great gas mileage (users have posted 45, 50mpg real life experiences, not advertised faux experiences) and its not an experimental hybrid that imo many dont even get as good mileage as her echo did.. and the yarris (its replacement) is pretty good too on gas and half the price of hybrids..

VW has a 70+mpg car which unfortunately cant be sold in the US (as I understand it), that is not a hybrid either, its a diesel green car... German, of course..

I think the whole hybrid thing is just a big scam (if you have one and are happy with it then good for you).. I would prefer a solar electric car/truck myself or just buy an efficient gas vehicle for half the price of hybrids...

I get a big laugh outta a chev dealer ad that has started running.. the 2 guys are saying how they will tell customers all the good features of their Chev vehicles.. like 24mpg! whoopee! aint that something to advertise!

And those ads for the cars with the "eco button" and "eAssist" are a riot too..

so add the word "Eco" in yer advertising and add $10k (or more) to the price.. do people really fall for that shite??? no wonder US car manufacturers needed bailing out..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq8pTKSb21M 2013 Chevy Malibu Eco - Airport Run

whew!!!... I think I got a little ranty there...

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