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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 5:47:27 AM

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Those of you who think it is possible for an entire population to plan in advance for every and all eventualities in a disaster are misguided.

This thread is not about entire populations.
It is about INDIVIDUAL preparedness.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 5:55:07 AM

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If people were properly prepared they would not have been in line.

No. Your above statement does not hold up to logic. It simply doesn't.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 6:01:09 AM

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Until people become self reliant, their is no way the
government will be forced to be compliant in their servitude towards their owners.When the Roman empire became a entitlement society, it slowly died a agonizing death.Do not mis understand my point, I am not saying the poor, the weak, sick, mentally or otherwise, do not deserve or need the help of government,.However we as a society are using the worst possible advocate, disorganized, wasteful solution we can devise.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 6:02:09 AM

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Those of you who think it is possible for an entire population to plan in advance for every and all eventualities in a disaster are misguided.

This thread is not about entire populations.
It is about INDIVIDUAL preparedness.

Ah, but here is the thing. You are basing your conclusions by looking at what the overall population is doing. In other words, what do you actually know about any given individual in the gas line? You don't know squat. You are seeing a population of people in line, and making conclusions about what went on for each of them. So if we want to talk populations, let's do that. You are seeing a line of people and drawing a conclusion about each of their individual preparedness. How exactly does that work. Go interview everyone in line and get back to us. Because without knowing exactly what each individual did, you cannot draw the conclusion that you are drawing.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 6:05:35 AM

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We are rural, and obviously agrarian. There are gas companies that will come to your house and fill 500 gallon (and bigger, much bigger) diesel and/or gasoline tanks in your yard. I imagine you have like companies in New Jersey, and one wonders how they snake thru the window from the fire escape and fill those in your apartments.

Just sayin.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 6:11:22 AM

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Yeah, I have a 500 gallon tank sitting in the living room of my 7th floor apartment. I get it filled through the window all the time. It's especially useful when I throw parties and people can lean on the tank when they are feeling tipsy. We debate every year on what color to paint the tank. Right now, it's a kind of taupe, but I'm thinking turquoise for next year.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 6:20:03 AM

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I hope you are in a non-smoking building, fucktoy. My point obviously being that there are many things that are stored differently in urban societies for the efficiency and convinience of 99.9999999999% of the days of your life, that; should everything go smooth......hells bells!!!! but that one exception is hard to deal with.

Look at the callahan and sumner tunnels in boston, under the charles to go to and from the airport and surrounding environs, one goes to, and one goes fro, and cars whiz thru there like a motherfucker......until one (exception) breaks down in the tunnel. Then it is clusterfuck city usa. for hours, and hours.

And we pretty much plan for and design to the normal, and have things like FEMA and so on, for abnormal. We used to plan for not war, but not sure why we are where we are.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 6:56:06 AM

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Until people become self reliant, their is no way the
government will be forced to be compliant in their servitude towards their owners.When the Roman empire became a entitlement society, it slowly died a agonizing death.Do not mis understand my point, I am not saying the poor, the weak, sick, mentally or otherwise, do not deserve or need the help of government,.However we as a society are using the worst possible advocate, disorganized, wasteful solution we can devise.

Most ignorant post of the day...but then the day is young. Before you post again perhaps a few classes in roman history would disabuse your post of further ignorance.
Perhaps a few classes in history and sociology would help you to understand why people form themselves into societies instead of remaining as "individualist"

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 7:03:02 AM

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It's news to me that the Roman Empire was ever "a entitlement society". You'd think that Gibbon would have mentioned that if it was one of the reasons the glory that was Rome collapsed, after all...

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 7:04:15 AM

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I hope you are in a non-smoking building, fucktoy. My point obviously being that there are many things that are stored differently in urban societies for the efficiency and convinience of 99.9999999999% of the days of your life, that; should everything go smooth......hells bells!!!! but that one exception is hard to deal with.

Look at the callahan and sumner tunnels in boston, under the charles to go to and from the airport and surrounding environs, one goes to, and one goes fro, and cars whiz thru there like a motherfucker......until one (exception) breaks down in the tunnel. Then it is clusterfuck city usa. for hours, and hours.

And we pretty much plan for and design to the normal, and have things like FEMA and so on, for abnormal. We used to plan for not war, but not sure why we are where we are.

Yes, agreed. When we speak of being "properly prepared" there are many notions wrapped up in this phrase. Being properly prepared does not mean one might still not end up in the low probability situation. Being properly prepared does not assume being prepared for 100% of potential outcomes in any given situation. And being properly prepared for one thing, is not the same thing as being properly prepared for something else. Post hoc, very easy to go around saying people were not prepared. But beforehand, we are only ever dealing with probabilities, and if you are prepared for most things, you and I would agree, that is "properly prepared", because it is just not possible, feasible, affordable, or even, I would argue, desirable to be prepared for the .000000000001% event. Obviously, others have a different perspective on preparedness.

Anyway, rest assured that I do not have a tank in my living room. But it appears that some on this thread think I should.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 7:08:11 AM

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Well, I am going to quit eye-fucking you, just in case. I don't want to blow up.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 7:09:23 AM

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To be fair, if it was in your living room it'd be a lot safer than it would be up on the roof where everybody else in the building can get at it.
(Ever noticed the big overlap between people who bang on about disaster preparations and the worst sort of survivalist nutcase?

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 7:10:17 AM

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It's news to me that the Roman Empire was ever "a entitlement society". You'd think that Gibbon would have mentioned that if it was one of the reasons the glory that was Rome collapsed, after all...

Ahh the joys of a public school education.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 7:12:43 AM

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Until people become self reliant, their is no way the
government will be forced to be compliant in their servitude towards their owners.When the Roman empire became a entitlement society, it slowly died a agonizing death.Do not mis understand my point, I am not saying the poor, the weak, sick, mentally or otherwise, do not deserve or need the help of government,.However we as a society are using the worst possible advocate, disorganized, wasteful solution we can devise.

Last I checked the Roman empire had slaves up until the last. How exactly is it that the lowest rung in the society who had no freedom and no wages for their work are part of an entitlement society? It seems to me that in ancient Rome it was the well to do that had an entitlement frame of mind. Having other human beings work for them for free. If that isn't entitlement I'm not sure what is. But you seem to be trying to make a point about the poor. But they weren't the ones who had the entitlements.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 7:13:57 AM

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I hope that snark was aimed at the lad who can't spell "Gorean", not the poster with a Classical Studies A level?

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 7:20:10 AM

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I do not direct this response to anyone in particular. I have lived in cities, sub burbs and rural. I prefer rural.Although no one can prepare for all emergencies.I can guarantee you my house hold and the rest of our group come pretty damn close. Having gone through several hurricanes and suffered complete losses more then a few times. I flat out refuse to wait around for another round. So I removed myself from the problem as much as I can. Mitigate it as you can and move on with your life.

Basic preparedness used to be taught in the schools. The fallacy of the modern world is they assume that electricity and supplies will always be their.As the world becomes more integrated economies wise, resource wise, the more likely we will continue to see a more fragile economy based on a false reality that only exists through enormous subsidies. If you want to lead a more risky way of life go for it, but do not expect myself or others to bail you out. Before anyone starts the personal attacks and such I do not play that game.

I could go on, but in the end remember this, it will only take one cascade event to bring us back to 1890 then all the bitching, whining will get no one anywhere. With out adequate preparation stores, fuel, med supplies, 75 percent of the general population is at risk in the near term and long term 98percent. Their is not enough military, police, national guard to protect the citizens.

65 of the country's nuclear plants are a extreme risk, if we lose the only 5,000 workers in the USA capable of shutting down and operating a given nuclear facility. I can go on if you really want to debate argue fact n figures numbers. The folks protecting our sorry asses have done a tremendous job behind the scenes day n night to prevent /deter events.

Now all you have to is keep a 5 -24 day supply of emergency supplies.Keep a bug out bag within close proximity to your person and take steps to secure your own safety and your family. Making excuses as to why you cannot do this or that well just makes that person more likely not to survive.

Oh one last thing, looters only take advantage, if they know you are weak.They seek out the best targets of opportunity of least resistance.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 7:21:59 AM

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Until people become self reliant, their is no way the
government will be forced to be compliant in their servitude towards their owners.When the Roman empire became a entitlement society, it slowly died a agonizing death.Do not mis understand my point, I am not saying the poor, the weak, sick, mentally or otherwise, do not deserve or need the help of government,.However we as a society are using the worst possible advocate, disorganized, wasteful solution we can devise.

Last I checked the Roman empire had slaves up until the last. How exactly is it that the lowest rung in the society who had no freedom and no wages for their work are part of an entitlement society? It seems to me that in ancient Rome it was the well to do that had an entitlement frame of mind. Having other human beings work for them for free. If that isn't entitlement I'm not sure what is. But you seem to be trying to make a point about the poor. But they weren't the ones who had the entitlements.

Not even the well to do. About the only people you could seriously apply that one to were the ruling class: a tiny minority who held all of the power, but as we're forever seeing in here, no libertarian will ever view that as an entitlement mindset, will they?

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 7:27:32 AM

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That is completely off topic.If you want to discuss the topic off forum, then by all means we can do that some where else. I will not hijack this forum.FYI, the word Goren is not misspelled.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 7:27:43 AM

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Well, I am going to quit eye-fucking you, just in case. I don't want to blow up.

There is little she could do to stop me from "eye-fucking" her....and only the least amount of encouragement would translate it into reality fucking.

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RE: Individual Responsibilities for Storm Preparedness - 11/5/2012 7:29:50 AM

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I hope that snark was aimed at the lad who can't spell "Gorean", not the poster with a Classical Studies A level?

Young man it was aimed directly at you but it was anything but snark. Your public school heritage is manifest in your posts and always a pleasure to read.

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