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Extreme Scene Competition? - 6/15/2006 9:39:18 AM   
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This has my LJ circle in a tizzy of discussion and debate.

What do you guys think of this idea?

http://www.denversanctuary.com/061706.html
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RE: Extreme Scene Competition? - 6/15/2006 9:46:42 AM   
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I'd suggest tying someone up and making them watch Teletubbies.  Now that's an extreme scene!

But yeah, I see some potential ethical issues here.  Respecting people's rights to edgeplay is one thing; encouraging people to be more and more extreme for the sake of showing off is likely to result in jackassery, and it doesn't strike me as very responsible. 

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RE: Extreme Scene Competition? - 6/15/2006 9:47:58 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

This has my LJ circle in a tizzy of discussion and debate.

What do you guys think of this idea?

http://www.denversanctuary.com/061706.html
Extreme Scene Competition


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RE: Extreme Scene Competition? - 6/15/2006 9:51:13 AM   
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hmm i guess im not sure about it, i mean isnt it supposed to be able what does it for you and who you are with, not about who is watching?  what is incredible for the participants might not get a high rating from the "judges". 

it caught my interest but i would be interesting in seeing what the criteria for judging would be... ?  definately wouldn't be for me lol


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RE: Extreme Scene Competition? - 6/15/2006 9:53:27 AM   
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Other than ego-stroking, I don't see the point of such a competition.
"Irresponsible" is the word that comes to mind <shrugs>. The potential for permanent damage, intentional or otherwise, is an uncomfortable "red flag".

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RE: Extreme Scene Competition? - 6/15/2006 9:54:18 AM   
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If all parties are willing.... who cares ?

There isn't enough info there to go on... for all we know it would be no different than a workshop or demonstration on technique from highly experienced players.

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RE: Extreme Scene Competition? - 6/15/2006 10:15:04 AM   
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a version of JackAss for BDSM players

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RE: Extreme Scene Competition? - 6/15/2006 10:16:17 AM   
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RE: Extreme Scene Competition? - 6/15/2006 10:16:28 AM   
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Other than ego-stroking, I don't see the point of such a competition.
"Irresponsible" is the word that comes to mind <shrugs>. The potential for permanent damage, intentional or otherwise, is an uncomfortable "red flag".


Maybe its just Me... but isn't that what public scening within a dungeon or group is ? Just ego-stroking ? * Hey !! Look at ME !! See what I can do !!!"*

As far as the potential for permanent damage.... that happens regardless, no matter where, when, or how you scene. Hell it happens when you get in your car to drive to the local gas station.
I know many preach about SSC... but what it all boils down to is the C. If you take a good hard look at it, nothing we really do is safe.... and sane is quite debateable by anyones standard. I know a girl that was walking up three steps with her Master to the local club in her town... twisted her ankle and broke it. Now, because they were at the club and she was "in care of her Master"... was that a safety issue He should have been concerned with ? Did management curse him and revoke membership ? Was he scolded for not picking her up and carrying her across the threshold in a safer manner... rather than let her just walk on her own, which could be potentially dangerous ?
No... it was a freak accident. Accidents happen, no matter how safe you want to be or how much you prepare.
And, for the record, I say again... there isn't enough info on that web page to go on... noone has any idea what "types" of extreme scenes, the experience level of those involved, or how they are going to categorically be judged (by craftiness of the Dom, screams from the sub, personal viewpoints of those judging, etc).

Where is all the tolerance now ??

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RE: Extreme Scene Competition? - 6/15/2006 10:17:35 AM   
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Hmm. Perhaps I'm jaded by "extreme" sports, beverages, budgies and whatnots in society - I didn't see the contest to be in terms of who can be the most "extreme" but rather just the title - or that everyone has their own level of "extremes" that they'll use during a scene. I thought the idea was that all the parties in the scenes devise their own scene, perform it, and people vote. If it is in good humor, I see nothing wrong with it. If people are going to be all serious and challenge and try to "over extreme" next year, well, there is a problem.

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RE: Extreme Scene Competition? - 6/15/2006 10:20:49 AM   
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I'm thinkin it's entertainment for the judges.  If it was pre planned theater, with an audience, it would be like any other show.

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RE: Extreme Scene Competition? - 6/15/2006 10:23:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TolerableCruelty
Maybe its just Me... but isn't that what public scening within a dungeon or group is ? Just ego-stroking ? * Hey !! Look at ME !! See what I can do !!!"*

Nope, not necessarily.

Enjoying the energy mix of public play isn't the same as doing it to attention or show off.  Completely different intent, motivation and goals.

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noone has any idea what "types" of extreme scenes, the experience level of those involved, or how they are going to categorically be judged (by craftiness of the Dom, screams from the sub, personal viewpoints of those judging, etc).

Where is all the tolerance now ??

T.R.

I do think the intent of taking a type of play and taking it from a "silly fun competition like seeing who can most accurately snap a singletail" into a "serious ego title competition" is questionable.

I also think the premise is completely off- how can you judge another persons edge play?  Unlike technique in bondage, there's no way to be able to say "You freaked her out more"

I think it's an interesting step in "the scene" and its dynamics though.

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RE: Extreme Scene Competition? - 6/15/2006 10:43:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TolerableCruelty

Maybe its just Me... but isn't that what public scening within a dungeon or group is ? Just ego-stroking ? * Hey !! Look at ME !! See what I can do !!!"*

T.R.


Have you ever played in a public place?  There becomes a certain energy that flows through the building which has nothing to do with showing off.  The last time we played in public I can assure you I was doing nothing that should of attracted anyones attention.  Just a plan old boring normal flogging (with a few other toys thrown in), if you had asked me after if anyone was paying attention to us I would have laughed and said no.  I was so focused on my little one I have no idea what was going on or that there was even anyone else in the room.  Silly me,  we received comments from multiple persons about how much energy there was between  my girl and I, how connected we seemed,  how in tune we were,  how attentive I was to what was going on with her.  My response, You were watching us?

In short, lol.  No it is not for most about showing off , its about the feelings, joy, and fun of being mixed into a group of like minded people.

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RE: Extreme Scene Competition? - 6/15/2006 10:48:37 AM   
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I wonder how exactly they judge something like that.  I would think what is considered extreme is very subjective.  What I might think is really extreme the next person might think is actually rather dull and vice versa.

Making it into a competition, to me, would seem dangerous.  I've never been to a dungeon (there's not exactly an abundance of them around here) so I don't know what it is like, but I would think that turning scenes into a competition for the most extreme could potentially get out of hand and people possibly being pushed too far. 

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RE: Extreme Scene Competition? - 6/15/2006 10:52:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TolerableCruelty

Maybe its just Me... but isn't that what public scening within a dungeon or group is ? Just ego-stroking ? * Hey !! Look at ME !! See what I can do !!!"*

Rather limited, don't ya think? I can agree that, for some, it is about ego. However, many of us play at dungeons/parties simply because we cannot play at home - kids, neighbors, etc. Sometimes we play, or simply observe, to learn new techniques and styles, to broaden our own skillsets with the help of more skilled tops. Sometimes we are asked to attend in order to coach someone else in a specific skill. So no, it's not always about ego-stroking :)

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As far as the potential for permanent damage.... that happens regardless, no matter where, when, or how you scene. Hell it happens when you get in your car to drive to the local gas station.

I don't see how a vehicle accident applies to BDSM play/scene. Maybe there could be a similarity if one person was driving beyond his/her ability to control a vehicle? Now add the element of a competition by placing this person on a racetrack and offering a prize. Would it be fair to say that the potential for injury is somewhat increased?
Here's the core thought lurking in the back of my mind ,,,,, is it possible that someone might be tempted to play well beyond their skillset just to win a "competition" ?

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I know many preach about SSC... but what it all boils down to is the C. If you take a good hard look at it, nothing we really do is safe.... and sane is quite debateable by anyones standard. I know a girl that was walking up three steps with her Master to the local club in her town... twisted her ankle and broke it. Now, because they were at the club and she was "in care of her Master"... was that a safety issue He should have been concerned with ? Did management curse him and revoke membership ? Was he scolded for not picking her up and carrying her across the threshold in a safer manner... rather than let her just walk on her own, which could be potentially dangerous ?
No... it was a freak accident. Accidents happen, no matter how safe you want to be or how much you prepare.


Personally, I never preach SSC. RACK is closer to my belief/mindset, but that's another topic altogether.
Safety is always an issue, which is why we routinely use DM's at parties/dungeons. Yes, accidents do happen in spite of the best of intentions/planning. Is it really necessary to further goad tops into possibly playing well beyond their skill level via a "competition" ?

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And, for the record, I say again... there isn't enough info on that web page to go on... noone has any idea what "types" of extreme scenes, the experience level of those involved, or how they are going to categorically be judged (by craftiness of the Dom, screams from the sub, personal viewpoints of those judging, etc).

Agree, there is a lack of specific information. So I interpreted the OP as asking for general opinions, and mine stands - simply because I'm keying on the terms "extreme" and "contest". At worst, we can agree to disagree, yes?

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Where is all the tolerance now ??

Probably a difference in how we apply the word. I am tolerant of other's kinks and personal opinions (just as I don't take umbrage at this conversation). In this particular case we aren't discussing a kink. Opinions were solicited concerning an event/circumstance so I fail to see how would "tolerance" would apply?
I am tolerant of this in that it doesn't really matter to me if they hold this event or not. Do i have an opinion on it? yes, of course. Would I be involved in such an event? no thank you, I don't need the potential liability issues.

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RE: Extreme Scene Competition? - 6/15/2006 10:55:10 AM   
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Is it really necessary to further goad tops into possibly playing well beyond their skill level via a "competition" ?

In theory anyone who enters wants to be goaded.

I also think that the issue of "might push things too far" isn't really an issue at all.  People don't need a competition as an excuse to be stupid, and having a competition doesn't excuse anyone's sense of responsibility. 

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RE: Extreme Scene Competition? - 6/15/2006 10:56:01 AM   
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I wonder how exactly they judge something like that.  I would think what is considered extreme is very subjective.  What I might think is really extreme the next person might think is actually rather dull and vice versa.

Making it into a competition, to me, would seem dangerous.  I've never been to a dungeon (there's not exactly an abundance of them around here) so I don't know what it is like, but I would think that turning scenes into a competition for the most extreme could potentially get out of hand and people possibly being pushed too far. 


public dungeons no but there are many dungeons private play groups
private partys

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its more than stroking  its many things
voyeurism
liking to do things in a group setting
no one is talking about laying anyone down and seeing  how many holes they can fill LOL

private play for Me is different than party play  I am more intense in private...

party play is more cute and making sure the sub thinks all are watching him ...kinda a humiliation thing it adds to the scene ... I love both



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RE: Extreme Scene Competition? - 6/15/2006 11:02:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MadamShy

public dungeons no but there are many dungeons private play groups
private partys



Sadly I don't know anyone that has a private dungeon and/or holds private play parties. 

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RE: Extreme Scene Competition? - 6/15/2006 11:06:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

In theory anyone who enters wants to be goaded.

exactly.

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People don't need a competition as an excuse to be stupid, and having a competition doesn't excuse anyone's sense of responsibility.


Having seen more than enough of this, there is no way i can disagree with you on this one, lol.
However, I still believe that setting up a competitive atmosphere around a subject as broad and ill-defined as "extreme scene" is pushing things a bit. I would be much more comfortable with, and amenable to, something more defined and/or having some set of guidelines. Is this unreasonable?

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RE: Extreme Scene Competition? - 6/15/2006 11:21:14 AM   
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Fast Reply:

My immediate reaction after reading it was to think "I don't get it. Whats the debate about?".  And my reaction after reading others' thoughts on it, was still the same. 

Seems rather unremarkable, actually.  If it's your thing, go for it.   If  it's not, then dont particpate. 

I dont know-- I dont see what would cause a "tizzy" with that.  But then, I can be obtuse sometimes.

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