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Dustyn -> From the Viewing Other's Kink's Thread (6/15/2006 10:29:55 AM)

There seems to be a general agreement that pedophilia is pretty much scratched off everyone's list, including mine.

For a more grey area of the concept, what about scenes of daddy/daughter or mother/son rape scenes?  Does this count, since most profiles for the pedophile consist of steps, and one of them is the fantasy, which is what such a scene is, at least to my mind.

Does it count as wrong to fantasize over it, or is it just the action that counts as wrong?

Curious as to how people look on it, for the most part.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: From the Viewing Other's Kink's Thread (6/15/2006 10:31:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dustyn
For a more grey area of the concept, what about scenes of daddy/daughter or mother/son rape scenes?  Does this count, since most profiles for the pedophile consist of steps, and one of them is the fantasy, which is what such a scene is, at least to my mind.

Just because a person engages in this type of play does NOT mean that they fantasize about the real thing.
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Does it count as wrong to fantasize over it, or is it just the action that counts as wrong?

And even if they do fantasize about it, no, it's not wrong (though many people will say it is- IMO fantasies aren't wrong, actions and behavior can be judged as wrong)




jezzabelle -> RE: From the Viewing Other's Kink's Thread (6/15/2006 10:37:26 AM)

When you're just roleplaying out the roles, there's nothing wrong with that.  You're not actually committing the act, and those that engage in that kind of play know fully well that they're not actually playing with a child, they're playing with an adult pretending to be one. 





juliaoceania -> RE: From the Viewing Other's Kink's Thread (6/15/2006 12:13:23 PM)

Just because there is a dynamic in which a submissive refers to her dominant as "Daddy" does not mean there is an incestuous feeling there, or that the participants view their sex life like that. It really is a misunderstood DYNAMIC. For some it is not a role play at all. Calling it a role play means that someone that calls their dom sir or master is only role playing too.




thetammyjo -> RE: From the Viewing Other's Kink's Thread (6/15/2006 12:30:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: Dustyn

Does it count as wrong to fantasize over it, or is it just the action that counts as wrong?

And even if they do fantasize about it, no, it's not wrong (though many people will say it is- IMO fantasies aren't wrong, actions and behavior can be judged as wrong)



I agree.

What we think is what we think, same for what we feel, its when we do something that we can be judged as right or wrong. You have to learn to be the boss of your actions whether you are dom or sub or switch; I personally think its the sign of an adult to be able to do so.




mastersayed -> RE: From the Viewing Other's Kink's Thread (6/15/2006 12:36:44 PM)

aslong as there are no actual minors involved, you're just acting out a fantasy, which is an important part of bdsm. and there is nothing wrong with it, millions have schoolgirl and cheerleader fantasies




trippingdaisy -> RE: From the Viewing Other's Kink's Thread (6/15/2006 12:42:43 PM)

i can honestly say that i've done those types of scenes with my Master.

i can also honestly say that i'm completely aware that i am an adult, as does He, and neither one of us fantasize about harming children.

Completely different things, in my opinion. :) And if you read up on it...child molestation is rarely about the sexual aspects of it, anyway. It's about power and control and causing fear...and i can tell you that most of the Daddy/child scenes i've done have not been violent at all.

i'd actually like to ask a question, but i don't want to start a completely different thread...so. i'll venture it here, since it's not completely off topic. For those that have a Daddy/child relationship with T/their Dom or sub...can someone shed light on that relationship dynamic for us? Not necessarily why it's done, but...as far as i know, at least of the people that i've met that have that sort of relationship...the DaddyDom is very rarely sadistic, but rather, is a sensual Dom, very caring. There are always exceptions to the rule...but...i can't help but be curious about this. :)




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: From the Viewing Other's Kink's Thread (6/15/2006 1:04:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: trippingdaisy
For those that have a Daddy/child relationship with T/their Dom or sub...can someone shed light on that relationship dynamic for us? Not necessarily why it's done, but...as far as i know, at least of the people that i've met that have that sort of relationship...the DaddyDom is very rarely sadistic, but rather, is a sensual Dom, very caring. There are always exceptions to the rule...but...i can't help but be curious about this. :)

Daddy/Daughter Roleplay

Daddydoms and Babygirls

Daddy?

Daddy/little girl

Hiding Daddy's Belt

Daddy doms

Daddy's little girl

Daddy? (2)

http://www.collarchat.com/m_259176/mpage_1/key_daddy%252Cdaughter/tm.htm#259184
are there any daddies here?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_324883/mpage_1/key_daddy/tm.htm#324889
daddy/child play?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_376704/mpage_1/key_daddy/tm.htm#376719
daddy doms




VandalHeart -> RE: From the Viewing Other's Kink's Thread (6/15/2006 5:10:12 PM)

Here in America, there are groups abound that "fight the good fight" night and day to stop the porn industry from depicting scenes of rape, incest, and underage sex.  The list of companies effected by this crusade is growing day by day.  In one case, PBS sent a camera crew along on the filming of "Forced Entry," an adult film by Extreme Associates Productions.  Through misrepresentation, the religious right misconstrued that the film's contents were in fact not realistic, but real.  Rob Black and Lizzie Borden Black were brought up before a grand jury and eventually the supreme court on charges of conspiracy to commit rape among others.  Fortunately, what the religious right could not do was stop the actresses participating in the rape fantasies from testifying that they were, in fact, professional actresses - paycheck stubs and all.  Filmmaker Max Hardcore has also faced such legal action due to the ambiguity of the scenes depicted in the vast majority of his films, since most of the actresses involved look incredibly young, their youthful appearance cultivated, and the scripts including lines such as "stop it, mister" and "don't tell mommy."  Depictions of underage sex have always been illegal, rape scenes are in the early stages of being litigated into oblivion as I post this, and from the looks of things, incest is next on the chopping block.  It won't be long until depictions of all hardcore sex including BDSM of all sorts, and then eventually pornography altogether will be illegalized.  All the while rape statistics, in addition to underage sex, child molestation, STALKING, incest of all shapes sorts and sizes, combinations of all of the above and murder with a sexual motive are all on the rise across all of the 48 contiguous U.S.

Meanwhile, in Japan, adult entertainment is nearly three times the size of that in the U.S. and the only censorship laws in place are concerning the showing of pubic hair, the showing of penetration, and the actual involvement of underage actors and actresses.  Please note, that whereas it is not legal to show these things in Japanese sold videos, it is legal to remove the digital scrambling if the videos are to be shipped outside of the country - they do not extend their censorship laws to other people.  Essentially, they realize that while we may not act like it, we, as other countries, are grown ups and can make our own grown up decisions.  If we fuck up, there is always the option to invoke U.N. action or go to war, but our porn isn't hurting them, so who cares?  To be fair, there is one problem that came from Japan's lack of sensitivity to the potential perversion of it's country's filmmakers and other citizens.  It is still a popular fetish among the Japanese film industry to depict scenes of nonconsentual groping on a crowded subway car.  The craze spilled into real life, and it got to be such a problem that even low income companies were starting their own transportation arrangements for their female employees.  The government eventually did step in, however, and did something absolutely crazy: they started a women's only subway line.  It must be crazy, because it was actually dealing with the problem itself and its causes instead of using censorship to stop a secondary issue that, while contributary, was not the sole cause of the problem - something that has seldom happened here in the U.S.

Basically, having a fantasy and enacting a fantasy with a consentual adult, no matter what that fantasy may be, is not illegal or even immoral by most standards, including the vast majority of christianity's interpretations.  Once again, people with small minds cannot accept that some people have better self control than they do.  These pedantic fools know that they can't control themselves unless they stay busy, so they spend their time trying to convince everyone else that any deviance at all is evil and must be stopped.  Unlike Japan, and like most of the U.S., symptoms and not causes are treated for the sake of keeping busy and not upsetting whatever aspect of the natural order is sacred to whoever....  Just live and let live until someone else doesn't let live.  At that point, and at that point only, do what you think is right, but don't stop someone else's fun just because you think that it could potentially lead to something bad happening.  Bad things happen every day.  They can't all be stopped, and believe it or not, some people actually come out stronger on the back end.  That's the stuff heroes are made of right there.  Hurting people for things they haven't done, no matter what the risk of them deciding to cross the line, is wrong.  Punish the guilty, and let the innocent do as they wish until you can prove that the innocent are now the guilty.  Until then, let it go, no matter how distasteful you may think it is.

While we're on the subject, Dustyn, I hope you were listening, because I realized during the course of my typing that we are both doing this.  Just live and let live, and so will I.  I just hope we can do it at much further than arms length.  I don't like you, and I probably never will.  Our mutual acquaintance almost certainly never will.  Neither of us cares one bit what you think of us, although you probably think it is your right and duty to annoy the living shit out of us.  I would venture a guess that you aren't really fond of the posts we direct at you, either.  I'm offering you the chance to just walk away from all of it.  I'm not saying that you need to stop posting on this site, just quit going out of your way to annoy us.  I can't speak for her, but I can say that I will stop talking to you.  Sound good?




kickinchick -> RE: From the Viewing Other's Kink's Thread (6/15/2006 5:16:52 PM)

shakes head..grow up Dustyn...I need to take you out to the woodshed and...nooooo, you'd like that too much...wouldn't you?




NastyDaddy -> RE: From the Viewing Other's Kink's Thread (6/15/2006 6:34:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dustyn
There seems to be a general agreement that pedophilia is pretty much scratched off everyone's list, including mine.

For a more grey area of the concept, what about scenes of daddy/daughter or mother/son rape scenes?  Does this count, since most profiles for the pedophile consist of steps, and one of them is the fantasy, which is what such a scene is, at least to my mind.

Does it count as wrong to fantasize over it, or is it just the action that counts as wrong?

Curious as to how people look on it, for the most part.


How about this...

There seems to be a general agreement that rape is pretty much scratched off everyone's list, including mine.

For a more grey area of the concept, what about rape scenes?  Does this count, since most profiles for the rapist consist of steps, and one of them is the fantasy, which is what such a scene is, at least to my mind.

 
Does it count as wrong to fantasize over rape, or is it just the action that counts as wrong? 

Or how about this...
 
There seems to be a general agreement that beastiality is pretty much scratched off everyone's list, including mine.

For a more grey area of the concept, what about beastiality scenes?  Does this count, since most profiles for the beastialityist consist of steps, and one of them is the fantasy, which is what such a scene is, at least to my mind.


Does it count as wrong to fantasize over beastiality, or is it just the action that counts as wrong?

Your series of curiosites seems to be a fill-in the blank roleplay/scene series of questions, just pick one. Some will involve illegal activities if they were real life acts and not lifestyle fantasies or roleplays.

Did William Shatner and Lynard Nimoy really fly all over space as Captain Kirk and Mr Spock, and beam in and out of everywhere... hell no they didn't... did you think they did?.Hmm I wonder if Bill or Lynyrd have wicked thoughts of really flying all over space and beaming in and out of everywhere... and shooting your ass with a phaser???

Which would be wrong, if either... being Capt Kirk and Spock, or shooting your ass with a phaser?

Did you ever watch cartoons? This is adult cartoons, and if you are not the Road Runner you can really care less what that sneaky Coyote is up to way the hell out there in the middle of the desert, nor how extensive his and the Road Runner's connections are to the Acme Company. Who are you rooting for anyway?

As far as your OP being targeted towards rape in Daddy/daughter or Mother/son, why did you tie rape to only these two roleplays? Do any other roleplays involve rape? And why rape........ is not incest the essence of these two particular roleplays? Are you advocating that incest is acceptable if it does not involve rape? It seems that you have no issues with rape in other roleplay.

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... Does this count, since most profiles for the pedophile consist of steps...


Are pedophiles allowd to have profiles? Apparently you've seen quite many, as to know what most say and consist of... have you been hanging out at the wrong place?






VandalHeart -> RE: From the Viewing Other's Kink's Thread (6/15/2006 10:35:24 PM)

By the way, the point I set out to make at the beginning of that rant was that if someone has an outlet for a fantasy that they have, and the fantasy  is not attacked and insulted and therefore suppressed, that someone is much less likely to engage in the execution of that act.  An acquaintance of mine confided in me that while he does not find his own children attractive, the idea of underage incest arouses him.  He said that his wife indulges these fantasies, and the urge subsides.  Problem solved.  Acceptance can go a long way.




Calandra -> RE: From the Viewing Other's Kink's Thread (6/16/2006 3:08:13 AM)

Speaking from my own perspective:
 
I engage in Mommy/boy dynamic with my own cubby... He's 28, I'm 40, so the mere age difference tends to create a nurturing atmosphere in our relationship.
 
When I am "Mommy" it's usually in response to him when he needs comfort, or nurturing. It's a natural response with him. I don't see myself (even in role play) as the "mother" who gave birth to him physically. Instead I assume an "Earth Mother" type role where I am there to nurture him and help him  to express feelings that he maybe didn't learn to express as he was developing earlier in life.
 
Cubby was an only child and grew up with parents who were largely either at work or avoiding each other for several years before their ultimate divorce. He learned early on that there would be no nurturing at home. He brought this feeling with him into adulthood, and was taken totally by surprise when he broke down one day and started crying. I think I said something like "Thats okay, Momma will make it better" and he just melted.
 
I think that some people hear "Mommy" and think of incest, but I know that when cubby is distraught, "Mommy" means "safe", period.
 
I think two other points are worth noting... Firstly, I've had numerous other male subs, and never felt like "Mommy" to any of them....
 
And secondly, I have two biological sons and I've never ever ever felt attracted to them or any other underage male in my lifetime (well, except for Harry Potter, in this last movie, but I always was a sucker for the nerdy types)




Dustyn -> RE: From the Viewing Other's Kink's Thread (6/16/2006 3:43:38 AM)

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Are pedophiles allowd to have profiles? Apparently you've seen quite many, as to know what most say and consist of... have you been hanging out at the wrong place?



Actually, by profiles, I meant the ones that forensic psychologists complie to catch the serial ones.  I've just read them out of curiosity, and they, invariably, start out with the fantasy aspect, which generally moves towards child pornography, then simply continues to escalate.

Nice attempt at a dig, so I'll give you a point, but the ball bounced away from the rim just as the buzzer sounded, so you still didn't win the game, though.  Maybe next season.




VandalHeart -> RE: From the Viewing Other's Kink's Thread (6/16/2006 4:32:28 AM)

He means psychological profile.




Calandra -> RE: From the Viewing Other's Kink's Thread (6/16/2006 4:50:40 AM)

Dustyn,
 
I'm not digging at you, honestly. Psychological profiles mention fantasies... Okay lets look at that. EVERY human being on the planet has fantasies. All of us, without exception. I have difficulty with profiles that include generic, vague and misleading information.
 
It's kinda like saying "In a recent study, almost 95% of schoolyard bullies chew bubblegum, so there seems to be a link between chewing bubblegum and childhood hostility" - BULLSHIT! Actually, there's a link between chewing bubblegum and childhood period... but they don't alert you to that fact in the report do they???
 
A psychological profile can be helpful if you look at the whole thing and consider the overall picture. It's useless if you take a single observation and apply it universally. Profiles like these are the reason that adult sexuality is being slowly and completely criminalized.
 
 
 




Brosco -> RE: From the Viewing Other's Kink's Thread (6/16/2006 5:41:16 AM)

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It's kinda like saying "In a recent study, almost 95% of schoolyard bullies chew bubblegum, so there seems to be a link between chewing bubblegum and childhood hostility" - BULLSHIT!

In a recent survey it was found that 83.2761% of all statistics were inaccurate.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: From the Viewing Other's Kink's Thread (6/16/2006 6:34:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Calandra
It's kinda like saying "In a recent study, almost 95% of schoolyard bullies chew bubblegum, so there seems to be a link between chewing bubblegum and childhood hostility" - BULLSHIT! Actually, there's a link between chewing bubblegum and childhood period... but they don't alert you to that fact in the report do they???

The general way to say this is "Correllation does not equate to causation."

However, a strong enough correllation could lead to patterns, better understanding of the process and might point to POSSIBLE avenues of causation. 





Dustyn -> RE: From the Viewing Other's Kink's Thread (6/16/2006 6:40:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Brosco

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It's kinda like saying "In a recent study, almost 95% of schoolyard bullies chew bubblegum, so there seems to be a link between chewing bubblegum and childhood hostility" - BULLSHIT!

In a recent survey it was found that 83.2761% of all statistics were inaccurate.


LOL Nice...




twicehappy -> RE: From the Viewing Other's Kink's Thread (6/16/2006 6:46:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dustyn

For a more grey area of the concept, what about scenes of daddy/daughter or mother/son rape scenes?  Does this count, since most profiles for the pedophile consist of steps, and one of them is the fantasy, which is what such a scene is, at least to my mind.

Does it count as wrong to fantasize over it, or is it just the action that counts as wrong?Curious as to how people look on it, for the most part.


This is pretty much the kinds of Q/A's i was looking for also. though i was asking about all the fringe kinks.




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