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culareD -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/6/2012 11:19:58 AM)
As a mother of TWO with autism, I have some serious issues with vaccines... My third child was developing normally (talking, walking, sleeping, eating well etc...) until he received his vaccines at 15 months. He ended up in the hospital with an "unexplainable fever of 104" after he received these. By the time he reached 18 months he quit talking and replaced it with screaming, and started lining things up. He toe-walked, spun himself around endlessly, and he became afraid of noises. He quit looking at the camera for a pic, became extremely picky with food, and he quit sleeping at night. He was officially diagnosed at age 2y2m. Needless to say our world changed. I wish I could say it has been for the better, but in his case not so. He is very sick physically, dealing with PANDAS, inability to take in nutrients from food, extreme anxiety and so much more. I am a scrap booker, and the pictorial evidence over time is astounding. After he was diagnosed, I dove into research because I wanted to "fix" him. I went to endless conferences dealing with the behavioral and the biomedical side, joined many list serves, and I even helped co-facilitate a parent group for families going through this. I researched all of the vaccines my child had received. There was PLENTY of offending agents in each of the vaccines he got, but the biggest offender was the MMR. I stopped the vaccines in my other child who I KNOW would have been much worse off had I continued. I could go on and on...instead I will just agree that I am glad that the research continues. The stats are overwhelming... 1 in 88! There has got to be an answer quick, fast, and in a hurry!

Moonhead -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/6/2012 11:22:48 AM)
If the lad's having trouble digesting food, that's something a lot worse than autism, surely? (And for whatever it's worth, I'm very sorry to hear that he's that messed up.)

culareD -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/6/2012 11:24:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: epiphiny43 Anyone who really thinks this is the first study on vaccines/autism isn't competent to discuss any medical issue. Or is severely allergic to using the internet for research. Current research has identified several gene markers of inherited tendencies to autism, several others of parental 'lifestyle' associated genetic damage that are associated with descendant's autism and some interesting biochemical changes in autism spectrum disorders that may offer both better diagnostics and deeper understanding of autism spectrum etiology. 'Vaccine related autism' has been removed as a correlated cause about as conclusively as our research capabilities allow. Autism is not down in vaccine use where thimerosal has been discontinued or in control groups that are vaccine free. Discussions and research continue as to whether the rates of autism spectrum disorder are real events or aftifacts of the diagnositic popularity of 'autism' to explain more and more unusual behaviors. What is clear is that the current and growing rates of autism still affects far less children than the diseases the vaccines prevent. Few here have relatives old enough to remember how many peers were killed, maimed or brain damaged by the various childhood diseases unfamiliar to first world parents. Some of these diseases are returning due to the anti-vaccine campaigns largely led by guilt ridden parents desperate to find an external cause of the problems their children suffer. The pioneers well understood what is now heresy to many 'citizens' of our entitled culture: "Sometimes shit just happens." At least with modern pediatric vaccines, many of the understood causes of 'shit happening' can be prevented. Got polio? Keep not vaccinating the kids and your grandchildren will. Every class of primary school I went to had kids on crutches and others who didn't make it. Then we were given the Salk and Sabin vaccines and we stopped seeing more kids crippled. Polio is almost eradicated from the planet. Many more parents who don't understand basic biology and we may see it everywhere again. Measles produced far more brain damaged kids directly or in mothers who lost or had damaged babies than current autism rates. That's returning as people drink the anti-vaccination koolaid. The list is longer, educated people know the score, I'm hungry and need dinner. The data is there for anyone who wants to read. I know MANY parents and legitimate doctors who would HIGHLY disagree. For the record, I do believe there is a genetic predisposition, BUT I think there are environmental factors (altered foods, vaccines, the polluted air we breathe etc...) that exacerbate genetics.

culareD -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/6/2012 11:25:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead If the lad's having trouble digesting food, that's something a lot worse than autism, surely? (And for whatever it's worth, I'm very sorry to hear that he's that messed up.) Yes...you are correct, but MANY kiddos that are affected suffer from GI issues as well. My kiddo was fine beforehand.

culareD -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/6/2012 11:26:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NuevaVida quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad Everything I've seen on wheat/dairy so far has failed to show effects when attempts at repeating the findings were made. I don't know about studies and this is anecdotal, but my nephew with aspergers (on the autism spectrum) does so much better on gluten/wheat free and with a restriction of raw milk being his only dairy. His "symptoms" skyrocket when he eats the wrong foods. That's enough for my sister to go on, to continue the restricted diet. THIS!!!

Marini -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/6/2012 11:43:41 AM)
Thanks for posting culareD, sounds like you are a wonderful and intelligent mother, who realizes that a variety of factors probably contributed to your children's autism. [sm=applause.gif] I get so tired of the know-it all's that insist on telling you what they feel does not cause/or trigger autism, when the jury is not out on what causes it yet.

Moonhead -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/6/2012 11:46:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: culareD quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead If the lad's having trouble digesting food, that's something a lot worse than autism, surely? (And for whatever it's worth, I'm very sorry to hear that he's that messed up.) Yes...you are correct, but MANY kiddos that are affected suffer from GI issues as well. My kiddo was fine beforehand. Now that's interesting. If there's an overlap between autism and GI problems, perhaps there's something dietary that has more to do with the problem than vaccines? You'll probably have been weaning the lad at the same time, after all.

culareD -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/6/2012 12:18:02 PM)
I believe that the immune system gets compromised, and then the dietary issues come into play. At least that is what we experienced. My kiddo was doing just great on regular foods until he got sick from the vaccines. Again, there are MANY families who have the same story.

JanahX -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/6/2012 12:20:46 PM)
Was there no autism before the use of vaccines? Anyone?

culareD -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/6/2012 12:27:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JanahX Was there no autism before the use of vaccines? Anyone? Yes, I actually did some research on the timeline for autism and it's rise. Autism was present, but there has been a steady and significant rise in it spanning many years. As I stated earlier, I believe there is a genetic predisposition, but SOMETHING perhaps environmental factors (shots, food, air etc...) have caused an increase. I believe this to be true for ADD/ADHD, allergies and many other things people suffer from. In my short lifetime in the autism arena the rates have gone from 1:150 to 1:88.

Rule -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/6/2012 12:36:14 PM)
Do your autistic children have any other medical symptoms, either chronic or recurring?

Moonhead -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/6/2012 12:36:47 PM)
Couldn't the rise be tied to an increased range of conditions that are recognised as autism and improvements in screening before any other factors, though? Back in the '60s you had to be pretty nonfunctional to get recognised as autistic and Aspergers was a different syndrome before it was reclassified.

culareD -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/6/2012 12:44:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule Do your autistic children have any other medical symptoms, either chronic or recurring? Yes, but all of them occurred AFTER the fact.

culareD -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/6/2012 12:45:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Couldn't the rise be tied to an increased range of conditions that are recognised as autism and improvements in screening before any other factors, though? Back in the '60s you had to be pretty nonfunctional to get recognised as autistic and Aspergers was a different syndrome before it was reclassified. I agree that is somewhat the case, but not the whole picture.

SimplyMichael -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/6/2012 12:50:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Couldn't the rise be tied to an increased range of conditions that are recognised as autism and improvements in screening before any other factors, though? Back in the '60s you had to be pretty nonfunctional to get recognised as autistic and Aspergers was a different syndrome before it was reclassified. Would you stop bringing logic into this, you are speaking to Americans for gods sake. Ask them to explain causation and correlation and more often than not, you will get blank stares. If autism has an onset at about the time vaccines are given...

kitkat105 -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/6/2012 12:56:03 PM)
FR - Ugh.. anti vaccine propaganda is made to make parents feel even more insecure about one of the hardest jobs they will ever do (raising children). http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/05/health/research/scientists-link-rare-gene-mutations-to-heightened-risk-of-autism.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 Prior to the 1970's, there was no such diagnosis of Autism. Why? It hadn't been developed. People exhibiting the behaviours associated with (what we now know are) autism spectrum disorders were frequently institutionalised on the grounds of 'psychiatric illness not otherwise specified.' There is strong research out there that suggests that autism spectrum disorders have a strong genetic or familial link. The reason why so many 2-3 year old children get diagnosed with autism now is simple. Medical care for children, especially in the western world is very well developed. We have pediatricians; primary care physicians; child & maternal health nurses; childcare workers; pre school teachers... all of these people are trained to observe for children who are NOT meeting their milestones and if they aren't, refer them to be evaluated, diagnosed and interventions implemented. The risks of not vaccinating are very high. A few examples: Mumps: encephalitis, oophoritis, mastitis, meningitis, hearing loss, infertility. Rubella: otitis media, arthritis, congenital rubella syndrome for women not immune Measles: encephalitis; pneumonia, ear infections, blindness Polio: permanent disability, malformation of the joints; acute respiratory failure; osteoporosis; dysphagia If I were to have children, I would definitely vaccinate. Why? Because I wouldn't want my children to get sick or potentially die from complications.

JstAnotherSub -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/6/2012 12:56:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Couldn't the rise be tied to an increased range of conditions that are recognised as autism and improvements in screening before any other factors, though? Back in the '60s you had to be pretty nonfunctional to get recognised as autistic and Aspergers was a different syndrome before it was reclassified. Would you stop bringing logic into this, you are speaking to Americans for gods sake. Ask them to explain causation and correlation and more often than not, you will get blank stares. If autism has an onset at about the time vaccines are given... It appears to me that he was having a quite civil discussion with the mother of 2 autistic children. Why you felt the need to make it something about all Americans escapes me. Perhaps you could explain? As for the gluten relationship, I know of one child in our school that had the most peculiar eating habits. He was always asking for strange combos when he came through the line, which we gave him. After his diagnosis, one thing that the doctor suggested was gluten free diet. It did help him a bunch, and, it turned out that his strange requests at lunchtime were all eliminating gluten from his diet. It blew his moms and my mind. The human body is quite the amazing thing.

Moonhead -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/6/2012 1:03:41 PM)
Of course, but if you had a child who was only picked up by screening and diagnosed after they'd been innoculated, then pinning the change in that child's behaviour on them getting a shot wouldn't seem a false connection, would it? (Diagnosis of autism was in place long before the '70s, btw, but Doctors used to be reluctant to diagnose it because it was often blamed on bad parenting before the vaccination notion came in. That notion actually seems to be making a comeback at the moment, which is horrifying.)

culareD -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/6/2012 1:05:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kitkat105 FR - Ugh.. anti vaccine propaganda is made to make parents feel even more insecure about one of the hardest jobs they will ever do (raising children). http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/05/health/research/scientists-link-rare-gene-mutations-to-heightened-risk-of-autism.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 Prior to the 1970's, there was no such diagnosis of Autism. Why? It hadn't been developed. People exhibiting the behaviours associated with (what we now know are) autism spectrum disorders were frequently institutionalised on the grounds of 'psychiatric illness not otherwise specified.' There is strong research out there that suggests that autism spectrum disorders have a strong genetic or familial link. The reason why so many 2-3 year old children get diagnosed with autism now is simple. Medical care for children, especially in the western world is very well developed. We have pediatricians; primary care physicians; child & maternal health nurses; childcare workers; pre school teachers... all of these people are trained to observe for children who are NOT meeting their milestones and if they aren't, refer them to be evaluated, diagnosed and interventions implemented. The risks of not vaccinating are very high. A few examples: Mumps: encephalitis, oophoritis, mastitis, meningitis, hearing loss, infertility. Rubella: otitis media, arthritis, congenital rubella syndrome for women not immune Measles: encephalitis; pneumonia, ear infections, blindness Polio: permanent disability, malformation of the joints; acute respiratory failure; osteoporosis; dysphagia If I were to have children, I would definitely vaccinate. Why? Because I wouldn't want my children to get sick or potentially die from complications. While I don't disagree that vaccines have been important, I will say that autism was around before the 70's... A History of Autism More History And yet more...

theRose4U -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/6/2012 1:27:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NuevaVida quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad Everything I've seen on wheat/dairy so far has failed to show effects when attempts at repeating the findings were made. I don't know about studies and this is anecdotal, but my nephew with aspergers (on the autism spectrum) does so much better on gluten/wheat free and with a restriction of raw milk being his only dairy. His "symptoms" skyrocket when he eats the wrong foods. That's enough for my sister to go on, to continue the restricted diet. Just ignore him like I finally did. He's the undocumened & usually wildly illogical expert on the opposite of anything that comes out of my mouth with documented fact.

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