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Rule -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/24/2012 7:11:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Got any actual evidence that Asperger's is inherited? No, I have not.

tazzygirl -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/24/2012 7:12:54 PM)
uh huh. [8\|]

Aylee -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/25/2012 9:21:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: FreeFromSin We must determine what is causing Autism. 1 in 68 boys gets it now! This was never the case years ago. They did ban a certain chemical in '99 that they knew (pharmaceutical companies) caused Autistic disease. Jenny McCaurtney the celebrity has told the media for yrs. She has an Autistic son. She changed his diet and claims his symptoms were erased. Jenny McCarthy is an ignorant fool and/or a liar of epic proportions. Her son never appears in public so her lie about his improvement cannot simply be seen to be a lie. All claims abour diet and autism have failed to live up to scrutiny. Ms. McCarthy is an idiot. That said, there are many autistic people that also have diet issues. However, it is not always the same diet issue. Some have gluten problems, some food dye issues, some milk problems; with Butterhead it is a refusal to try new foods and even to eat many foods. There are only a few that she will eat. It is a sensory thing with her. There have been some positive studies indicating that food allergies, in particular to cow's milk, might have an effect on autism symptoms. However no change in diet has ever been shown to 'cure' autism which is what McCarthy claims. Autism is speculated to be an inability to filter sensory information. It is possible that your child is easily overwhelmed by taste/smell and avoids unknown foods for that reason. She could be sort of the ultimate super taster with no/little ability to communicate the problem. If there is a pattern to the known foods she refuses, bitter or sweet or something else, it might be possible to adjust the preperation methods to make them more palatable to her. For instance many vegetables can be made sweeter and less bitter tasting by roasting instead of boiling/steaming. My point was only that I have noticed that many with autism also have food issues. However, the food issues are so varied that there is no one twue way with solving them. I am sure that a change in diet can make things better for her child. (Cutting down on meltdowns and fits is wonderful.) That same change will not improve things for every autistic person. There is a world of difference between a gluten allergy and a sensory issue. Ken, I thank you for your suggestions, but we have tried all of that. Little Miss Bland Diet will seldom try new foods. In fact, she has gagged and puked over foods her baby brother eats. So. . . we deal. It does keep things. . . interesting.

JeffBC -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/25/2012 10:26:52 AM)
~fast reply~ I have a genuine question here. I find myself in an odd situation where generally I very much believe in science and fact over wishful thinking and religion. I also, however, mistrust pretty much anything the FDA or the pharmaceutical industry says. So perhaps one of you who's more involved in this particular issue can help me. These studies which all point to the lack of a connection... are they trustworthy? Or... are they funded by big pharma as are the peer review studies and then rubber stamped by the FDA... all of which would mean exactly nothing to me. In the case of climate science I tend to believe because the money interests all point in the other direction. In this case, however, the interests of money/power all point to accepting the existing drug regimes as healthy. That makes me nervous. Does anyone have any insight?

DomKen -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/25/2012 10:33:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JeffBC ~fast reply~ I have a genuine question here. I find myself in an odd situation where generally I very much believe in science and fact over wishful thinking and religion. I also, however, mistrust pretty much anything the FDA or the pharmaceutical industry says. So perhaps one of you who's more involved in this particular issue can help me. These studies which all point to the lack of a connection... are they trustworthy? Or... are they funded by big pharma as are the peer review studies and then rubber stamped by the FDA... all of which would mean exactly nothing to me. In the case of climate science I tend to believe because the money interests all point in the other direction. In this case, however, the interests of money/power all point to accepting the existing drug regimes as healthy. That makes me nervous. Does anyone have any insight? Pharma has paid for virtually none of ths studies disproving the connection between vaccines and autism. The most telling studies have been large scale studies of populations before and after removing thimerosol and changing MMR for single vaccines. Pharm pretty much only pays for studies directly related to their drugs and mostly only to get the drug to market. Doing studies after the drug is on the market is not something they're prone to doing. The anti vax loons attacking big Pharm are usually claiming some sort of vast conspiracy to conceal the supposed problems with vaccines from the public. Their claims fall apart completely when examined.

Moonhead -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/25/2012 12:38:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: graceadieu quote: ORIGINAL: JanahX Im actually surprised that he didnt claim that autism was caused by herpes. Or did he? I thought that was Rule that thought everything was caused by herpes? No, you're thinking of circumcism, not herpes.

Moonhead -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/25/2012 12:40:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: graceadieu Having a kid with autism is hard. But is it really harder than having your kid die of an easily preventable childhood disease? Is it really harder than millions of children dying of easily preventable childhood diseases? Because that would be the price of ending vaccination. I don't have any children (and at my age, I won't ever), but if I did, I'd much rather deal with a child's autism than have it drop dead of a disease it could have been vaccinated to prevent it getting.

calamitysandra -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/25/2012 12:48:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: graceadieu Having a kid with autism is hard. But is it really harder than having your kid die of an easily preventable childhood disease? Is it really harder than millions of children dying of easily preventable childhood diseases? Because that would be the price of ending vaccination. I don't have any children (and at my age, I won't ever), but if I did, I'd much rather deal with a child's autism than have it drop dead of a disease it could have been vaccinated to prevent it getting. As somebody who as an autistic child I can only say hat I am incredibly thankful for having Middle Child in my life. There is absolutely no question.

Aylee -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/25/2012 12:53:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: graceadieu Having a kid with autism is hard. But is it really harder than having your kid die of an easily preventable childhood disease? Is it really harder than millions of children dying of easily preventable childhood diseases? Because that would be the price of ending vaccination. I don't have any children (and at my age, I won't ever), but if I did, I'd much rather deal with a child's autism than have it drop dead of a disease it could have been vaccinated to prevent it getting. Darn skippy! There are challenges with a child that is autistic. I much prefer dealing with those challenges than burying a child. And do not forget, a child that is autistic grows into an adult. This is not possible with a child that dies of something preventable.

TheBanshee -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/26/2012 3:56:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: graceadieu Having a kid with autism is hard. But is it really harder than having your kid die of an easily preventable childhood disease? Is it really harder than millions of children dying of easily preventable childhood diseases? Because that would be the price of ending vaccination. I don't have any children (and at my age, I won't ever), but if I did, I'd much rather deal with a child's autism than have it drop dead of a disease it could have been vaccinated to prevent it getting. People forget that people died of the measles and my own sister nearly died from the mumps. I have a friend who had a stroke or a seizure (I'm not quite sure which) from a high fever when she had the measles at the age of 6 and is still partially paralyzed on one side. IF there is a risk of autism with vaccines (which I don't believe) there is a benefit vs risk people have to make. The only "compromise" I really do believe in is spreading out the vaccines a bit. If your child gets a little behind in the schedule for vaccines and they give you 4 or 5 at time. I do think this can stress the immune system a bit (yes I know they are "dead" virus, but it is designed to create the antibodies. So giving your child only one vaccine at a time is a reasonable strategy.

tazzygirl -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/26/2012 6:21:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JeffBC ~fast reply~ I have a genuine question here. I find myself in an odd situation where generally I very much believe in science and fact over wishful thinking and religion. I also, however, mistrust pretty much anything the FDA or the pharmaceutical industry says. So perhaps one of you who's more involved in this particular issue can help me. These studies which all point to the lack of a connection... are they trustworthy? Or... are they funded by big pharma as are the peer review studies and then rubber stamped by the FDA... all of which would mean exactly nothing to me. In the case of climate science I tend to believe because the money interests all point in the other direction. In this case, however, the interests of money/power all point to accepting the existing drug regimes as healthy. That makes me nervous. Does anyone have any insight? Ken answered your question directly. Im going to offer the alternative. Imagine a team of scientists did discover a link... and could prove that they could make a safe alternative. The stock for whatever company would explode through the roof. Batches of old supply would be destroyed and new would be immediately ordered. I would say they are routinely testing for links and causations... its almost a race out there. The better mouse trap, so to speak. But what is happening is that everyone is testing, studying, looking, and they all know the others are too. So that anything that is said will be challenged by everyone else. If it cannot be duplicated, its not valid science. Which is what happened in the Wakefield case.

cordeliasub -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/26/2012 6:22:41 AM)
I admit to not having read every post, but did this study remove mercury as a variable? None of the vaccines where I live are held in mercury anymore, as THAT was supposedly the factor that was a risk. I have spent quite a few years teaching kids with varying degrees of severity of autism and Asperger's. Some of them had vaccines and some did not. Of course, that is not s randomly sampled significant number. Here is something interesting though. We had one family at my previous school with three children who all had autism. They had these three children when they lived somewhere where there had been illegal dumping of chemicals, etc. They moved to our state/town and had another child. Their 4th child has no autism. THAT makes ya think. It is highly likely that my youngest has mild Asperger's. He is very....Sheldon Cooper-like. ;) I have wondered about the merit of having him tested since he functions so well overall. I have to admit that I am more afraid of the idea of preventable diseases once again killing scores of children than I am the autism connection...BUT then again, I have never had a child with autism.

tazzygirl -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/26/2012 6:26:14 AM)
I have often wondered if autism isnt a recessive trait somehow.

NuevaVida -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/26/2012 6:46:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee My point was only that I have noticed that many with autism also have food issues. However, the food issues are so varied that there is no one twue way with solving them. I am sure that a change in diet can make things better for her child. (Cutting down on meltdowns and fits is wonderful.) That same change will not improve things for every autistic person. There is a world of difference between a gluten allergy and a sensory issue. Ken, I thank you for your suggestions, but we have tried all of that. Little Miss Bland Diet will seldom try new foods. In fact, she has gagged and puked over foods her baby brother eats. So. . . we deal. It does keep things. . . interesting. Haven't visited this thread in awhile but I wanted to chime in a bit on the food issues. My nephew has Aspergers and is absolutely affected by foods. He must be gluten-free, and as for dairy, can only drink raw milk, which is crazy expensive, btw. This has significantly cut down on the melt downs, for sure. He knows this, and at 14, reads every label and is very careful about what he eats. In addition to that, there are many foods he simply WON'T eat, because of taste and texture. As a toddler, his gag reflex was so close to the front of his mouth he hardly ate anything. Physical therapy helped with that, as my sister would take a large q-tip/cotton swab and touch it on his lips, then every day work it around his teeth, tongue, etc., until they could train his gag reflex to recede a bit, so he could eat. He also had dexterity and vision issues. I don't know if it was the diet change combined with the physical therapy that helped, but the diet change definitely reduced the meltdowns, big time.

JeffBC -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/26/2012 8:38:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl I would say they are routinely testing for links and causations... its almost a race out there. The better mouse trap, so to speak. But what is happening is that everyone is testing, studying, looking, and they all know the others are too. So that anything that is said will be challenged by everyone else. Is this from personal knowledge or are you speculating that competitive pressure would force such a situation (I would not agree with that assertion). I may need to find someone local who's actually involved in this research to ask questions of. Things get tricky when you don't trust the manufacturers (why would anyone) and you don't trust your own government either (and again, why would anyone?). My position on vaccines is that I'm not taking any boosters. In general my position on products from big-pharma is that I don't want them in my body where avoidable. Obviously, risk assessments need to be made but it's sad that there's no credible source to get information from. We don't get flu shots either. I'm very glad I don't have young children now so I don't need to worry about whether to get them vaccinated or not.

Daddyplsfindme -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/26/2012 8:51:54 AM)
I read thru most and not sure if anyone brought up this point yet, but it is not ALL vaccines, there were studies done that proved it is only the ones made using tissue from aborted fetuses that cause such issues, and any parent needs to do their research and your pediatrician MUSTgive you the info for the companies they purchase their vaccines from, then as the parent you do the research needed. I went to alot of conferences on such things, as I used to work with children with autism, on many levels of the spectrum. I surely did the research before I agreed to have my now 2 yr old vaccinated. People need to be better informed, and our government isnt going to do it for us. I provied a link, but there are many more out there as well http://www.conservativerefocus.com/blog5.php/2011/07/10/maximum-nondisclosure-research-contends-aborted-fetal-tissue-in-vaccines-causes-autism

JeffBC -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/26/2012 8:55:56 AM)
Thank you Daddyplsfindme. Yes, I do credit the statement of a mother who made this decision who had at least somewhat of an inside track on this stuff.

Rule -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/26/2012 10:21:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daddyplsfindme I read thru most and not sure if anyone brought up this point yet, but it is not ALL vaccines, there were studies done that proved it is only the ones made using tissue from aborted fetuses that cause such issues Well! That certainly is interesting. I did not know that a number of virusses are cultivated in human tissue.

theRose4U -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/26/2012 10:44:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: theRose4U quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: theRose4U quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder For those parents who don't vaccinate their children, do they know that since so many parents have foregone vaccines, both polio and whooping cough cases are showing up more and more into western society. That's the pro vac arguement...risk autism to avoid polio & whooping cough. No. The argument is risk rare serious side effects, which does not include autism, to avoid polio, pertussis, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, measles and a bunch of other diseases. The fact is that a huge mountain of evidence shows no corelation between vaccine and autism. Got the vaccines & still got pertusis, chicken pox, measles & what was thought to be mumps (just bad gland involved throat thing). Finally stopped getting flu shots because I ALWAYS come down sick within 3 days of shot even if I get it in summer before flu/cold season has even started You must have a severe immunodefiency illness to have caught all those diseases since roughly 1995, the year the chicken pox vaccine became available. I'd recommend living in a bubble. But even if you aren't making shit up that doesn't change the fact that vaccines do not cause autism. -Have the medical bills to prove its not made up -do have auto immune issues all helped by the same diet that improves autism symptoms -no bubble here, just a soft pillow for when quick eat during a busy schedule ends up poisoning me - not convinced clustering vaccines isn't an issue or eldest children for 3 generations of my family wouldn't all have autism related (or "autism diet" assisted) issues. Only the eldest got more than 3 shots at a time. Great niece (4th generation first born) also had issues with even spaced out vaccines, needs controlled diet & ADHD meds Honestly no reason to make this up, not only do I have a life but not desperate for attention to my digestive upsets thanks!

theRose4U -> RE: Baby monkeys develop autism symptoms after obtaining doses of popular vaccines (11/26/2012 10:59:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule quote: ORIGINAL: calamitysandra quote: ORIGINAL: TheBanshee Actually I was recently told by a physician that Asperger's Syndrome was removed from the Autism Spectrum Disorders as they now believe it is not related to Autism after all. That is a misinformation. Take a look at this explanation. The DSM is being reviewed, but Asperger is not separated from the Autism Spectrum. In my opinion the difference is that Asperger's is inherited, whereas autism is acquired. Saying that Asperger's is part of the autism spectrum in my opinion is about as accurate as asserting that a horse is one of the four-legged animals. I would question the genetic connection of aspergers as well. Why would one twin have full blown aspergers & the other merely be a finctioning person with periodic bouts of asshole-itis? Old roomie & twin only time I've personally encountered aspergers...twin was a trip to be around literally zero filter

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