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ORIGINAL: kdsub

If number one….women keep their legs together and their mouths open

Butch

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ORIGINAL: JanahX

Okay - so I would like to know if conservatives got their way in these three things - what do you think would happen to our society? Lets just wave our magic wand and say - *poof* these things are in effect as of now - what would happen?

1. Abortion is outlawed in every state. A woman caught having an abortion will be charged with capital murder - and may be subject to capital punishment / and or / life imprisonment. Birth control is also outlawed. Every life is precious.

First of all, every life IS precious, I don't think anyone denies that. Secondly, abortion has been debated since the 20's and it hasn't been outlawed yet so.....chill. Same with birth control. Take a valium. (Please).

2. Redact the Universal Health care act - and stay with the current way Health Care is operating.

Redaction is the correct word (thank you for using it). It will be redacted regardless of who gets into office. It now appears that the Republicans are going to control both the House and the Senate, so you can be certain this topic will be in the forefront regardless of who's the Prez. As to staying the same as it is (current health care system prior to ObamaCare), that's just not likely and even if Romney gets elected, he won't get rid of the proposed, only change it. It's here, and it's here for life. (Hmmmmm.....might not be a bad slogan frankly).

3. Completely annihilate any kind of welfare or assistance. You are on your own. No longer will a taxpayers 9 cents be going towards any helping of the poor or needy.

Of course not, and no candidate has expressed such a thing. That's just ridiculous. Affect it such that those who shouldn't be on it....yeah that's gonna happen, more with Romney than with Obama but whoever gets in has to affect that because the dollars simply are no longer there to pay for people who chump the system.

Ok - so lets say all three scenarios happen at once. What do you see happening?

They won't....ergo...I don't have to....nor does anyone else.

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ORIGINAL: JanahX

FR -

Im still waiting for a logical answer to this - maybe this actually takes some thinking from the conservatives that run their mouths all day.

Im calling a dead thread - because Im thinking there is nothing any one of them can say that could put this situation into a positive light - nor where it would benefit society. If this is the case? Then why is this your agenda?

Riddle me this, riddle me that - Its so funny how SILENT (except for the crickets) conservatives get when someone actually paints a picture of what they want for the "better of our country." Im calling bollocks.

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: JanahX

Okay - so I would like to know if conservatives got their way in these three things - what do you think would happen to our society? Lets just wave our magic wand and say - *poof* these things are in effect as of now - what would happen?

1. Abortion is outlawed in every state. A woman caught having an abortion will be charged with capital murder - and may be subject to capital punishment / and or / life imprisonment. Birth control is also outlawed. Every life is precious.

First of all, every life IS precious, I don't think anyone denies that. Secondly, abortion has been debated since the 20's and it hasn't been outlawed yet so.....chill. Same with birth control. Take a valium. (Please).

Then why debate it at all? I am quite aware that it hasnt been outlawed. Its based on a Utopian view of a conservative world where what they advocate for is put into being. So - here is just three things that would be put into Utopia. If it makes any conservatives feel easier - then the NIX on the bc can be edited out. - Base it on, a country where Abortion is outlawed only. Easier that way - no need to get detailed I suppose.

2. Redact the Universal Health care act - and stay with the current way Health Care is operating.

Redaction is the correct word (thank you for using it). It will be redacted regardless of who gets into office. It now appears that the Republicans are going to control both the House and the Senate, so you can be certain this topic will be in the forefront regardless of who's the Prez. As to staying the same as it is (current health care system prior to ObamaCare), that's just not likely and even if Romney gets elected, he won't get rid of the proposed, only change it. It's here, and it's here for life. (Hmmmmm.....might not be a bad slogan frankly).

What would be the Ideal Health Care plan for a Utopia Conservative Country? How would it work? I understand that most conservatives are highly opposed to paying any of their own money for anyone but themselves and their families. To have to pay into a plan to pay for the masses to keep health care costs from skyrocketing is not their cup of tea - I get it, but what is their solution as an alternative to keep health care from escalating to out of control proportions?

3. Completely annihilate any kind of welfare or assistance. You are on your own. No longer will a taxpayers 9 cents be going towards any helping of the poor or needy.

Of course not, and no candidate has expressed such a thing. That's just ridiculous. Affect it such that those who shouldn't be on it....yeah that's gonna happen, more with Romney than with Obama but whoever gets in has to affect that because the dollars simply are no longer there to pay for people who chump the system.

I am also quite aware that no candidate has expressed such a thing. But their negative view on the poor sure doesnt stop stigmatizing a part of our society that is here to stay, regardless of the reasons they state how the unfortunate got that way or reasons they stay there. Its no myth that Republicans hate welfare recipients - and are quite vocal about it. The song usually goes - Theyre just lazy and sit around and collect welfare while everyone else goes to work and pays for them. Really? Its a very singular view on the conditions of poverty and the situations of the citizens that collect.

Here are some links that support my statement.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/09/23/the-real-reason-conservatives-hate-welfare-hint-its-about-steak/

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/jonesboro-ar/TP4962M78ND9GKRFE

http://www.ethanwiner.com/sex.htm

Ok - so lets say all three scenarios happen at once. What do you see happening?

They won't....ergo...I don't have to....nor does anyone else.

No you dont have to - but can you imagine it? What do you envision?

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ORIGINAL: JanahX

OK - I KNOW, (yes I am very aware that this hasnt happened) - Im just basing it on a GOP Utopian (if they could - they would society.)

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: JanahX

Okay - so I would like to know if conservatives got their way in these three things - what do you think would happen to our society? Lets just wave our magic wand and say - *poof* these things are in effect as of now - what would happen?

1. Abortion is outlawed in every state. A woman caught having an abortion will be charged with capital murder - and may be subject to capital punishment / and or / life imprisonment. Birth control is also outlawed. Every life is precious.

First of all, every life IS precious, I don't think anyone denies that. Secondly, abortion has been debated since the 20's and it hasn't been outlawed yet so.....chill. Same with birth control. Take a valium. (Please).

Then why debate it at all? I am quite aware that it hasnt been outlawed. Its based on a Utopian view of a conservative world where what they advocate for is put into being. So - here is just three things that would be put into Utopia. If it makes any conservatives feel easier - then the NIX on the bc can be edited out. - Base it on, a country where Abortion is outlawed only. Easier that way - no need to get detailed I suppose.

2. Redact the Universal Health care act - and stay with the current way Health Care is operating.

Redaction is the correct word (thank you for using it). It will be redacted regardless of who gets into office. It now appears that the Republicans are going to control both the House and the Senate, so you can be certain this topic will be in the forefront regardless of who's the Prez. As to staying the same as it is (current health care system prior to ObamaCare), that's just not likely and even if Romney gets elected, he won't get rid of the proposed, only change it. It's here, and it's here for life. (Hmmmmm.....might not be a bad slogan frankly).

What would be the Ideal Health Care plan for a Utopia Conservative Country? How would it work? I understand that most conservatives are highly opposed to paying any of their own money for anyone but themselves and their families. To have to pay into a plan to pay for the masses to keep health care costs from skyrocketing is not their cup of tea - I get it, but what is their solution as an alternative to keep health care from escalating to out of control proportions?

3. Completely annihilate any kind of welfare or assistance. You are on your own. No longer will a taxpayers 9 cents be going towards any helping of the poor or needy.

Of course not, and no candidate has expressed such a thing. That's just ridiculous. Affect it such that those who shouldn't be on it....yeah that's gonna happen, more with Romney than with Obama but whoever gets in has to affect that because the dollars simply are no longer there to pay for people who chump the system.

I am also quite aware that no candidate has expressed such a thing. But their negative view on the poor sure doesnt stop stigmatizing a part of our society that is here to stay, regardless of the reasons they state how the unfortunate got that way or reasons they stay there. Its no myth that Republicans hate welfare recipients - and are quite vocal about it. The song usually goes - Theyre just lazy and sit around and collect welfare while everyone else goes to work and pays for them. Really? Its a very singular view on the conditions of poverty and the situations of the citizens that collect.

Here are some links that support my statement.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/09/23/the-real-reason-conservatives-hate-welfare-hint-its-about-steak/

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/jonesboro-ar/TP4962M78ND9GKRFE

http://www.ethanwiner.com/sex.htm

Ok - so lets say all three scenarios happen at once. What do you see happening?

They won't....ergo...I don't have to....nor does anyone else.

No you dont have to - but can you imagine it? What do you envision?

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What would be the Ideal Health Care plan for a Utopia Conservative Country? How would it work? I understand that most conservatives are highly opposed to paying any of their own money for anyone but themselves and their families. To have to pay into a plan to pay for the masses to keep health care costs from skyrocketing is not their cup of tea - I get it, but what is their solution as an alternative to keep health care from escalating to out of control proportions?

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ORIGINAL: searching4mysir

It's being ignored because it isn't an accurate picture of what conservatives want.

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ORIGINAL: JanahX

Is it?

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ORIGINAL: searching4mysir

It's being ignored because it isn't an accurate picture of what conservatives want.

Republican Party on Abortion:

Ban abortion with Constitutional amendment
We say the unborn child has a fundamental right to life. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and we endorse legislation that the 14th Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. Our purpose is to have legislative and judicial protection of that right against those who perform abortions. We oppose using public revenues for abortion and will not fund organizations which advocate it. We support the appointment of judges who respect the sanctity of innocent human life.
Source: Republican Platform adopted at GOP National Convention , Aug 12, 2000

http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Republican_Party_Abortion.htm

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A: Republican View on Birth Control (its not banning, but it sure sounds like theyre not very fond of it)
Even with a persistent gender gap in a presidential election year, House Republicans have not given up on their campaign to narrow access to birth control, abortion care and lifesaving cancer screenings. Far from it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/30/opinion/republicans-vs-women.html

Rick Santorum is so extreme on the issue that, in addition to signing the personhood pledge, he has directly stated his opposition to birth control writ large: “One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country.” Santorum has also said, “Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that’s okay, contraception is okay. It’s not okay. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.”

http://www.policymic.com/articles/3957/american-women-beware-mitt-romney-the-gop-would-put-birth-control-pills-in-grave-jeopardy

Republicans stance on Obamacare:

WASHINGTON, July 11, 2012 — Republicans want to repeal Obamacare, not a piece of it, but all of it and they have tried to repeal it over 30 times in the last two years. Today they did so once more, voting 244 to 185 to tank it. However, the repeal will go nowhere in the Democratic Senate since they won’t consider it, and President Obama has the mighty veto pen, even if it did.

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/ad-lib/2012/jul/11/House-Republicans-repeal-Obamacare-Supreme-Court-/

Republican stance on poverty and welfare:

Move more welfare recipients off the welfare rolls
In 1996, the Republican Congress made history by passing welfare reform. The federal government gave states the flexibility to manage the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program, and both states and federal authorities began treating welfare as a step up rather than a way of life.
We need to build on the results of the 1996 reforms and continue to move welfare recipients into jobs and off the welfare rolls. This is especially important for single women and mothers, who continue to rely on welfare and fear that they cannot find a job or enter a training program because they need to care for their children. We endorse President Bush’s plan to extend the benefits of welfare reform by strengthening work requirements and promoting healthy marriages, and offering training, transportation, and child care services to help people become self-sufficient. Every American deserves a chance to know the pride of earning a paycheck and providing for his or her family.

- Which for me, raises a whole other plathora of questions.

I love how its focused on single women and mothers. Oh - and the part on how to promote healthy marriages. Are you serious?


Faith-based charities should help end child poverty
The participation of faith-based and community groups will be especially important in dealing with the twin problems of non-marital pregnancy and substance abuse. Reducing those behaviors is the surest way to end the cycle of child poverty. After-school programs should be fully open to the community and faith-based groups that know best how to reach out to our children and help them reach their true potential.



http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Republican_Party_Welfare_+_Poverty.htm

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ORIGINAL: JanahX

Is it?

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ORIGINAL: searching4mysir

It's being ignored because it isn't an accurate picture of what conservatives want.

Republican Party on Abortion:

Ban abortion with Constitutional amendment
We say the unborn child has a fundamental right to life. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and we endorse legislation that the 14th Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. Our purpose is to have legislative and judicial protection of that right against those who perform abortions. We oppose using public revenues for abortion and will not fund organizations which advocate it. We support the appointment of judges who respect the sanctity of innocent human life.
Source: Republican Platform adopted at GOP National Convention , Aug 12, 2000

http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Republican_Party_Abortion.htm

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A: Republican View on Birth Control (its not banning, but it sure sounds like theyre not very fond of it)
Even with a persistent gender gap in a presidential election year, House Republicans have not given up on their campaign to narrow access to birth control, abortion care and lifesaving cancer screenings. Far from it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/30/opinion/republicans-vs-women.html

Rick Santorum is so extreme on the issue that, in addition to signing the personhood pledge, he has directly stated his opposition to birth control writ large: “One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country.” Santorum has also said, “Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that’s okay, contraception is okay. It’s not okay. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.”

http://www.policymic.com/articles/3957/american-women-beware-mitt-romney-the-gop-would-put-birth-control-pills-in-grave-jeopardy

Republicans stance on Obamacare:

WASHINGTON, July 11, 2012 — Republicans want to repeal Obamacare, not a piece of it, but all of it and they have tried to repeal it over 30 times in the last two years. Today they did so once more, voting 244 to 185 to tank it. However, the repeal will go nowhere in the Democratic Senate since they won’t consider it, and President Obama has the mighty veto pen, even if it did.

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/ad-lib/2012/jul/11/House-Republicans-repeal-Obamacare-Supreme-Court-/

Republican stance on poverty and welfare:

Move more welfare recipients off the welfare rolls
In 1996, the Republican Congress made history by passing welfare reform. The federal government gave states the flexibility to manage the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program, and both states and federal authorities began treating welfare as a step up rather than a way of life.
We need to build on the results of the 1996 reforms and continue to move welfare recipients into jobs and off the welfare rolls. This is especially important for single women and mothers, who continue to rely on welfare and fear that they cannot find a job or enter a training program because they need to care for their children. We endorse President Bush’s plan to extend the benefits of welfare reform by strengthening work requirements and promoting healthy marriages, and offering training, transportation, and child care services to help people become self-sufficient. Every American deserves a chance to know the pride of earning a paycheck and providing for his or her family.

- Which for me, raises a whole other plathora of questions.

I love how its focused on single women and mothers. Oh - and the part on how to promote healthy marriages. Are you serious?


Faith-based charities should help end child poverty
The participation of faith-based and community groups will be especially important in dealing with the twin problems of non-marital pregnancy and substance abuse. Reducing those behaviors is the surest way to end the cycle of child poverty. After-school programs should be fully open to the community and faith-based groups that know best how to reach out to our children and help them reach their true potential.



http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Republican_Party_Welfare_+_Poverty.htm

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what would be the ideal health care plan

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ORIGINAL: JanahX

Okay - so I would like to know if conservatives got their way in these three things

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I think we would see a flourishing market for these implants
KD that was a joke I hope yes?