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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/16/2012 10:42:18 PM   
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The devil will do a cost-benefit analysis. The devil will ask if he can win this battle. God on the other hand acts and draws from an infinite repository. God knows that God is going to win.

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/17/2012 10:05:14 AM   
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The adversary of God exploits our lack of sophistication. Our understanding of God is poor.

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/17/2012 10:10:21 AM   
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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/17/2012 10:21:15 AM   
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The adversary of God exploits our lack of sophistication. Our understanding of God is poor.


Ironically, it is often the most sophisticated among us who are the least sophisticated and there are reasons why this is so. Despite appearances the adversary of God is not your friend.

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/17/2012 10:29:22 AM   
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The adversary of God exploits our lack of sophistication. Our understanding of God is poor.


Ironically, it is often the most sophisticated among us who are the least sophisticated and there are reasons why this is so. Despite appearances the adversary of God is not your friend.


How do I put this succinctly? They end up making a pact with the devil which in the end stunts their journey to God.

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/17/2012 10:31:56 AM   
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I've just perused page 15 of this thread...

Virtually all separate posts by BenM and probably nothing of any substance and invariably nothing more than the usual inane (or should that be 'insane'??) 1-liners he comes out with.


Not that I can see them - I can no longer see his posts.
My viewing pleasure is much better now that I can't see his diatribe.

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/17/2012 10:39:08 AM   
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Shall I post a few more pages from Preacher and Savage Dragon for you now that you've removed all of the flapdoodle?

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/17/2012 10:44:23 AM   
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The devil is honest, god is an evil fucked up monster.

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/17/2012 10:52:40 AM   
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I have laid these seeds on the most infertile soil possible. I now ask God for a miracle. Lord, I forgive you if you are not inclined to regard my efforts as consistent with your Divine Plan. May your will be done.

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/17/2012 10:54:08 AM   
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People are required to seek God for themselves, not have somebody who won't shut up about him bend their ears incessantly.

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/17/2012 11:04:23 AM   
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the greater question is in two parts:
Why should one worship a cruel. vengeful, hypocritical god?
And Iran's policies are far more geared to personal power than they are to the following of Islam - a synthetic religion

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/17/2012 8:19:39 PM   
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I found what Kirata wrote in Post 288 in Indoctrination interesting and I thought to comment on it.

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

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'Word' in that phrase has multiple possible meanings.


Quite.

Well, no. Actually, it has a very specific meaning. But since this has become a subject of discussion, I'll elaborate.

First some physics:

We have confirmed, only recently in the 21st century, that mass is frequency: that the proximate cause of our universe existing, and that which maintains it, is the vibrating pure energy of void space. No to put too fine a point on it:

The masses of particles are -- not are like, or similar to, or metaphorically suggested by -- they are the tones, the frequencies, of these vibration patterns... These are very hard, rigorously tested, battle worn consequences... so, I mean, as scientific facts, as hard as they get... there really is that rigorous sense in which mass is frequency.

Reference: Frank Wilczek, Nobel Laureate Lecture Series, March 2005, MIT

But this is only new news to us. The Spanda Karika said the same thing more than a thousand years earlier, namely, that the universe arises from the action of spanda sakti (spanda: vibration, sakti: energy), the vibrating energy of the Void. The Void, incidentally, is a metaphor for pure consciousness, Siva, which is beyond all limitation of time and space. Sakti, the Goddess, is the active aspect of Siva, of consciousness; hence it is said to be Siva's will that causes her to give rise to the universe.

There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together... We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter. ~Max Planck

Everything we know about Nature is in accord with the idea that the fundamental process of Nature lies outside space-time... but generates events that can be located in space-time. ~Henry Stapp

In Brahmanism, the universe is said to arise when Saraswati plucks the strings of her vina (a musical instrument), the metaphor of sound representing the vibration of the energies. In a similar vein, and for the same reason, the letters of the Sanskit alphabet are called the matrikas, the Mothers. We find the metaphor again in Genesis, where God "speaks" the worlds into being, and in Psalm 33 ("By the word of the Lord were the heavens made").

Sakti follows her Lord's will, and those familiar with some of the more esoteric martial arts will recognize the relationship immediately: energy follows consciousness, the Mind leads Ki (the Mind here being not the ratiocinating processing mind, but rather the "no-mind" of Zen, i.e., consciousness itself). It is evident, too, in what we call the "placebo effect."

Had the partriarchal chauvinism of our Western monotheisms not eradicated the feminine wherever it found it, John 1:1 might have been written as:

In the beginning was the Goddess, and the Goddess was with God, and God and the Goddess were one.

Or in less religious terms:

In the beginning was energy, and the energy was with consciousness, and the energy was consciousness.

Unfortunately, the meaning of many metaphors has been largely forgotten, and the texts containing them adapted to the prevailing religious (and other) purposes of the later cultures that inherited them.

K.



If everyone has not already noticed I have an affinity for the divine feminine. I am familiar with the notion of a God and a Goddess. I am well acquainted. When I met Christ that notion went to the wayside, however. There is no Goddess. There are spiritual beings that are feminine though. If you want to believe it is just patriarchal chauvinism, I don't know what to tell you. The God Goddess duality makes a lot of sense, but I know better.

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/17/2012 8:43:20 PM   
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I thought to look up some stuff on Iran. In today's news:

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VIENNA (AFP) - Iran is on the cusp of being able to triple output of nuclear material that, if further treated, could be used in the core of a bomb, a new UN atomic agency report showed.

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/international/18-Nov-2012/iran-reaches-milestone-at-key-nuclear-plant

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/17/2012 10:17:05 PM   
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Ann Coulter must be doing something because she is looking better each day (as this thread progresses)

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Coulter argues that liberalism rejects the idea of God and reviles people of faith, ...

The book begins with a quotation from the Bible: "They exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creation rather than the creator. ..." Romans 1:25-26

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godless:_The_Church_of_Liberalism


This is so true.

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/17/2012 10:21:41 PM   
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I've been into science all my life, but I can now see why people are beginning to turn away from science.

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/18/2012 12:36:47 AM   
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Why? Because if you ask me where my allegiance is, Is it to science or God? I would tell you God.

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/18/2012 12:44:16 AM   
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You say it should be science. Ok, so according to you, my allegiance should be to an inanimate thing? That is idolatry.

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/18/2012 12:47:45 AM   
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Go take your Man of Reason, and shove it!

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/18/2012 6:11:54 AM   
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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/18/2012 11:44:29 AM   
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Go take your Man of Reason, and shove it!


Though such an exercise is useful in establishing where your loyalty resides, one must not assume the position that is opposite to your adversary. Science and reason are not the property of Satan.

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