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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/11/2012 2:21:49 PM

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What he doesn't seem to get is the definition of polytheism.

I surely understand the definition.

You most surely do not:

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Christians, though they deny it, are polytheists:
Father, Son, Holy Ghost,
Mother Mary and the Host
of Saints in Heaven
we pray for deliverance

In Christian theology, neither Mary nor the Saints nor any of the angels are gods, and the Trinity describes a triune Godhead, not three separate gods.

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/11/2012 5:59:22 PM

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In Christian theology, neither Mary nor the Saints nor any of the angels are gods, and the Trinity describes a triune Godhead, not three separate gods.

In Catholic practice among us peasants Mary and the saints are entreatied and revered as seperate gods, whatever the hell Christian theology may say.

Peasant superstition . .. grew up in the neighborhood

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/11/2012 6:02:58 PM

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In Catholic practice among us peasants Mary and the saints are entreatied and revered as seperate gods, whatever the hell Christian theology may say.

Peasant superstition . .. grew up in the neighborhood

The Catholic Church even encourages such, notice the special "saints" and other festivals you see even in the international press. And the narcos take some of this one step further down the road.

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/11/2012 6:21:10 PM

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In Catholic practice among us peasants Mary and the saints are entreatied and revered as seperate gods, whatever the hell Christian theology may say.

Peasant superstition . .. grew up in the neighborhood

The Catholic Church even encourages such, notice the special "saints" and other festivals you see even in the international press. And the narcos take some of this one step further down the road.

Yanno the Saints Festival Day parade in Godfather II, the movie? I lived that when I was a kid on Newark's north side. The Festival of St Gennaro with strings of lights arching over the street and yummy foodstands and the parade. And when I was ill my grandmother lighted candles, rubbed olive oil on my back, and chanted to Saint SomebodyElse. All you have to do is walk around Vatican Square and look up at the statues on their columned pedistals to know you are not much removed from Greco Roman Paganism.

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/11/2012 6:27:28 PM

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We have all that and more, especially among the religious reactionaries. There are whole regions who renounce the Vatican II as being false revisionism, and then there are the various Catholic cults. When the Spanish feudal rule was in effect they had to work the Inquisition continually to suppress the deviance from the official doctrine in those times, and today it is past their abilities.

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/11/2012 6:32:18 PM

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We have all that and more, especially among the religious reactionaries. There are whole regions who renounce the Vatican II as being false revisionism, and then there are the various Catholic cults. When the Spanish feudal rule was in effect they had to work the Inquisition continually to suppress the deviance from the official doctrine in those times, and today it is past their abilities.

Indeed. There is a great difference between theological orthodoxy and what goes on in the hills of Sicily as well . . . and what was brought to the Little Italy communities in the New World.

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/11/2012 6:59:46 PM

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I think anyone so up-their-own-ass that they cannot see anything beyond their own nose is more false than any others.

I also think that anyone making such an outrageous claim is either nuts, deranged, stupid or an extremist.

You have got to give the devil his due. There is a reason why the devil mocks man. You don't even want to know why.

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/11/2012 7:05:39 PM

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I agree Iran has been a pain the Western cultures side for decades. However, no matter how far we differ in opinion they have a unique culture. It is that culture that must be persevered.

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/11/2012 7:27:53 PM

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In my dealings with the devil and God I discovered first hand something interesting. The faithful might accuse me of enunciating something they already know, but I discovered it first hand. The devil does not know your heart as God does. The devil will present you with many superficial things.

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/11/2012 7:47:55 PM

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I agree Iran has been a pain the Western cultures side for decades. However, no matter how far we differ in opinion they have a unique culture. It is that culture that must be persevered.

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The Japanese are keen on preserving their culture too. I admire the Japanese. Some Japanese are Pagans. The modern world is like a corrosive acid. We seem to forget that. We are sold on material prosperity and have forgotten the spiritual. We have even forgotten love. Many women in our day can no longer even say they love the baby in their womb. They see no heroism in motherhood. They don't even see the value of a man. It is the Me generation. Me Me Me. What is equality to them except to say, "When I see myself in the mirror I see you."

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/12/2012 9:15:43 AM

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We have all that and more, especially among the religious reactionaries. There are whole regions who renounce the Vatican II as being false revisionism, and then there are the various Catholic cults. When the Spanish feudal rule was in effect they had to work the Inquisition continually to suppress the deviance from the official doctrine in those times, and today it is past their abilities.

Suppose the purpose of the above was not to inform the reader, but was an attempt to undermine the legitimacy of a claim I made earlier. Though there are differences there is also common ground. I appealed to this common ground; hence, the argument is strong as Catholicism is concerned, but what of the Protestants? As has been rightly pointed out the Protestants are so fractured ideologically that it is unclear they could ever act as one. No doubt to achieve this new world order, the Church as well as the United States had to be removed from the equation. The United States is what binds Protestants together. Without the Church and without the United States what does Christendom have?

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/12/2012 9:18:02 AM

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The Church is a Christian asset.

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/12/2012 9:38:08 AM

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Spoken sarcastically, "No the Church is just a bunch of Pagans led by its own incarnation of the antichrist." What did I say earlier? The devil will present you with many superficial things.

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/12/2012 9:41:26 AM

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The Church is a Christian asset.

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/12/2012 9:45:48 AM

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So, the vatican and Iran, what a swirl. hah?

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/12/2012 9:53:29 AM

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The Church is a Christian asset.

Really???

Sorry BenM, you are seriously off your rocker!

It was 'invented' by man to worship their god in a single place and to hide the riches they coaxed out of their followers under threat of satan, fire and brimstone if they didn't.

Does it not say in most scriptures of various religions, catholic, protestant and other alike, that god is everywhere, all seeing and all encompassing?
So there is no real purpose for a church other than to gather the masses when the holy book (whichever holy book you follow) says you really don't need to. It's a place where those who put themselves higher than 'ordinary folk' can preach down to those that are deigned as followers of the faith and need reminding of that at regular intervals.

And don't pray for me either - I don't need your prayers (or your god for that matter); don't wate your time. Save that for those that need it.

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/12/2012 9:54:30 AM

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The Church is a Christian asset.

Really???

Sorry BenM, you are seriously off your rocker!

It was 'invented' by man to worship their god in a single place and to hide the riches they coaxed out of their followers under threat of satan, fire and brimstone if they didn't.
And there are many faiths that have a 'church' under different name. It's not exclusively christian.

Does it not say in most scriptures of various religions, catholic, protestant and other alike, that god is everywhere, all seeing and all encompassing?
So there is no real purpose for a church other than to gather the masses when the holy book (whichever holy book you follow) says you really don't need to. It's a place where those who put themselves higher than 'ordinary folk' can preach down to those that are deigned as followers of the faith and need reminding of that at regular intervals.

And don't pray for me either - I don't need your prayers (or your god for that matter); don't wate your time. Save that for those that need it.

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/12/2012 10:03:22 AM

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Spoken sarcastically, "But aren't Catholics a bunch of Pagans?" Don't be a rebel without a cause whose only desire is to take down and destroy. Love is mysterious as God is mysterious. You can keep your world devoid of love. What humanism offers is a facsimile of love which is to say it is not the real thing. God created nothing that is unreal.

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/12/2012 10:05:50 AM

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Spoken sarcastically, "No the Church is just a bunch of Pagans led by its own incarnation of the antichrist." What did I say earlier? The devil will present you with many superficial things.

And FWIW, traditional Pagans don't have a church either - they tend to worship in open ground.

Pagans don't believe in god. The 'anti-christ' is the opposing force to christ.
No god or christ means no anti-christ either.
If you have no belief of something, you cannot, by definition, believe in the opposite/evil of it either.

What an inane and stupid post!
Obviusly knows nothing about Pagans other than the scaremongering pervaded by ignorant christian religions.

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RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/12/2012 10:09:26 AM

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No, catholics are NOT pagans and nothing even close to it.
I actually find that inference quite insulting.

And Pagans are just as loving and lovable as any other religion.
You are so pious, ignorant and blinkered!

There's only one good section of you post, so I extracted it -

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...God created nothing....

That just about says it all.

Also, Pagans worship mother earth, the life-giving elements and the seasons.
Not some imagined ethereal being that has not been proven to exist even though man has been searching for that proof ever since they invented the christian religion.

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