Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: Why should we preserve Iran


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: Why should we preserve Iran Page: <<   < prev  5 6 [7] 8 9   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/12/2012 11:48:20 AM   
tazzygirl


Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Honour is pride.

That is a lie.

And there is nothing wrong with being proud of an accomplishment.



In almost every list, pride (Latin, superbia), or hubris (Greek), is considered the original and most serious of the seven deadly sins, and the source of the others.
It is identified as a desire to be more important or attractive than others, failing to acknowledge the good work of others, and excessive love of self.

It is listed as number *6* of the seven deadly sins :)



Pride becomes a sin when one starts to think too highly of themselves for an accomplishment... when somone feels superior to everyone else for that accomplishment.

Pride is not always a sin. Pride can also be a level of self-respect for a job well done without any expectation of being seen as better than anyone sle.

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to freedomdwarf1)
Profile   Post #: 121
RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/12/2012 11:52:22 AM   
Rule


Posts: 10479
Joined: 12/5/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Does an inert building actually do that??

My emphasis was on the enhancement of the volume of the communication.

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
It certainly doesn't in my experience.

If you believed, your experience might differ.

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
How many Pagan gods do you think there are??

I gather that you are referring to the comtemporary idiots who call themselves pagan? I was not.

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Or are you confusing the many gods of various religions as 'Pagan'??

I was referring to such people as Odin, Krishna, Horus and Hera and such.

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
In Pagan society, there is no such thing as a 'local' god

I gather that you are once again referring to the people who these days call themselves pagan.

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Civilisation has nothing to do with religion.

I note that ignorance requires lecturing.

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
In my world, there is no such being as The Divine.

That is allowed. The Divine, being indifferent to the antics of man and bacterium, does not hold that against you.

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
It was invented to focus the mind and attention of those that needed such an ethereal being.

It was not invented.

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
I see no good purpose for a church other than to shelter from the rain or to indoctrinate it's blind followers.

Okay. So build me a church - and I will indoctrinate you drily.

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
No, I don't hear you because false words fall on deaf ears :)

Neither do deaf ears hear true words.

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Spock! :D

Indeed: he prayed for you.

As did I.

_____________________________

"I tend to pay attention when Rule speaks" - Aswad

"You are sweet, kind, and ever so smart, Rule. You ALWAYS stretch my mind and make me think further than I might have on my own" - Duskypearls

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

(in reply to freedomdwarf1)
Profile   Post #: 122
RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/12/2012 12:01:56 PM   
freedomdwarf1


Posts: 6845
Joined: 10/23/2012
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

The Pope extends His hand with the might of Caesar and says, "If you are to walk in the ways of Christ, do not be a weakling. This is a charge given to us by God. It is for you to be stronger than Satan."

Why is the United States such a strong hold and military power? It too follows this Christian mandate.


I do not walk in the ways of christ.
I do not believe he was anything other than a mere mortal man.
A very intelligent man I'll admit - but mortal (and there is evidence to prove this fact).

And the pope is strictly within a subset of christianity - catholic.

And AFAIK, the general populace of Americans follow some sort of christian principle, not just a catholic one.
Methinks you are truly mixing up your religions.

And while we are on the subject, I do not see any real evidence that the US has any strong hold or has any superior military power over many other countries. Lately, from what I have seen over recent decades, they have either lost wars (or certainly not actually won them) and are taking a back seat in many military zones where others (namely UN troops of mixed countries) are staying on.

Also, the US 'war machine', like many others, are not built on or around any religious beliefs and nothing like the Knights Templar who were real 'christian' soldiers in the old days.

I think, like many indoctrinated people such as yourself, you are twisting the facts to fit your beliefs rather than seeing them for what they really are. The twisting of truths is just as bad as a lie - which of course we all know is another sin in your religions eyes.

(in reply to BenevolentM)
Profile   Post #: 123
RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/12/2012 12:04:22 PM   
Rule


Posts: 10479
Joined: 12/5/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
In almost every list, pride (Latin, superbia), or hubris (Greek), is considered the original and most serious of the seven deadly sins, and the source of the others.
It is identified as a desire to be more important or attractive than others, failing to acknowledge the good work of others, and excessive love of self.

It is listed as number *6* of the seven deadly sins :)

Oh, you are referring to that pagan god. Well, all the pagan gods were crazy in some way. But actually, that guy precisely for that reason was an advanced being, clearly distinguishing himself from an animal, because animals lack pride.

Tell, you what: do not litter and I will say unto you "Well done" - and you may be proud of that achievement.


_____________________________

"I tend to pay attention when Rule speaks" - Aswad

"You are sweet, kind, and ever so smart, Rule. You ALWAYS stretch my mind and make me think further than I might have on my own" - Duskypearls

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

(in reply to freedomdwarf1)
Profile   Post #: 124
RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/12/2012 12:12:00 PM   
freedomdwarf1


Posts: 6845
Joined: 10/23/2012
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Does an inert building actually do that??

My emphasis was on the enhancement of the volume of the communication.

One sole individual gains just as much as a group of like-minded individuals.
I don't agree that more people make it any more of an enhancement.
I also don't agree that a higher 'volume' is any better than a lone voice.
Try telling that to the monks that devote their lives to their god and live a solitary life.

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
It certainly doesn't in my experience.

If you believed, your experience might differ.

I DO believe!
But I just don't follow your god.
A building is just a building. No more, no less.
And yes, I have worshipped in a group as well as an individual.
A true follower of any faith does not need the support of others to make that following any 'better'.

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
How many Pagan gods do you think there are??

I gather that you are referring to the comtemporary idiots who call themselves pagan? I was not.

Then why make a sweeping statement that there are many Pagan gods.
Even to the extent of explaining that you have local gathering places where there are are such things as 'local' Pagan gods to worship!

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Or are you confusing the many gods of various religions as 'Pagan'??

I was referring to such people as Odin, Krishna, Horus and Hera and such.

They are not Pagans.

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
In Pagan society, there is no such thing as a 'local' god

I gather that you are once again referring to the people who these days call themselves pagan.

Then perhaps you are thinking that those not following your religion call themselves 'Pagan'.
Most don't call themselves Pagan unless they are.
That is a very blinkered view.

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Civilisation has nothing to do with religion.

I note that ignorance requires lecturing.

It is not ignorance.
Only those that think civilisation is religious-based require re-education :)
The concept of being 'civilised' has nothing to do with religion whatsoever.

Main Entry:civ£il
Pronunciation:*si-v*l
Function:adjective
Etymology:Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin civilis, from civis
Date:14th century

1 a : of or relating to citizens b : of or relating to the state or its citizenry *civil strife*
2 a : CIVILIZED *civil society* b : adequate in courtesy and politeness : MANNERLY *a civil question*
3 a : of, relating to, or based on civil law b : relating to private rights and to remedies sought by action or suit distinct from criminal proceedings c : established by law
4 : of, relating to, or involving the general public, their activities, needs, or ways, or civic affairs as distinguished from special (as military or religious) affairs
5 of time : based on the mean sun and legally recognized for use in ordinary affairs
synonyms CIVIL, POLITE, COURTEOUS, GALLANT, CHIVALROUS mean observant of the forms required by good breeding. CIVIL often suggests little more than the avoidance of overt rudeness *owed the questioner a civil reply*. POLITE commonly implies polish of speech and manners and sometimes suggests an absence of cordiality *if you can't be pleasant, at least be polite*. COURTEOUS implies more actively considerate or dignified politeness *clerks who were unfailingly courteous to customers*. GALLANT and CHIVALROUS imply courteous attentiveness especially to women. GALLANT suggests spirited and dashing behavior and ornate expressions of courtesy *a gallant suitor of the old school*. CHIVALROUS suggests high-minded and self-sacrificing behavior *a chivalrous display of duty*.

Note specifically point 4 - "...as distinguished from special (as military or religious) affairs"

So perhaps it is YOU that is need of a lecture?? ;)

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
In my world, there is no such being as The Divine.

That is allowed. The Divine, being indifferent to the antics of man and bacterium, does not hold that against you.

Whatever.
I don't believe such a thing exists except in the minds of weak-willed people that need leadership.

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
It was invented to focus the mind and attention of those that needed such an ethereal being.

It was not invented.

It most certain was!!
It never existed until the 'christian' religion was 'invented' by man just over 2 millenia ago.

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
I see no good purpose for a church other than to shelter from the rain or to indoctrinate it's blind followers.

Okay. So build me a church - and I will indoctrinate you drily.

I have my faith - I don't need anothers' blinkered view of the world, thanks.
Oh, and my faith doesn't need a special building to worship either! ;)

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
No, I don't hear you because false words fall on deaf ears :)

Neither do deaf ears hear true words.

I don't believe that anything that is so pious, intolerant and blinkered in it's belief structure is worth listening to.
So to me, they are definitely NOT true words.

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Spock! :D

Indeed: he prayed for you.

Spock did not pray :D

As did I.

Don't waste your tiny little bewildered brain cells on the likes of me who know that tolerance is far superior than you appear to be able to comprehend.
You are so indoctrinated in your little box you just cannot think outside of it.
You and a certain other are so intolerant that you cannot accept that there is anything else beyong your closeted walls.


Your whole set of responses clearly show you are not worthy of your following.

And to re-enforce something that mnottertail said, it is your religion that are harbouring the most kiddie-fiddlers on the face of this planet. That is surely the most henious of all crimes of modern society.
When they get found out they just get relocated to another unsuspecting community to continue their hideous crimes. Unless someone is brave enough to blow it out into the open, that's how your 'leaders' deal with it.
That to me is nothing worth having in whatever group I chose to belong and that is why the support for your faith is steadilly dwindling. I would certainly not want any part of it.


< Message edited by freedomdwarf1 -- 11/12/2012 12:50:46 PM >

(in reply to Rule)
Profile   Post #: 125
RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/12/2012 12:18:03 PM   
mnottertail


Posts: 60698
Joined: 11/3/2004
Status: offline 		If we don't preserve Iran we wont know whether it is spelled with an N, or a Q.

_____________________________

Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two? Judges 5:30


(in reply to freedomdwarf1)
Profile   Post #: 126
RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/12/2012 12:54:35 PM   
freedomdwarf1


Posts: 6845
Joined: 10/23/2012
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
In almost every list, pride (Latin, superbia), or hubris (Greek), is considered the original and most serious of the seven deadly sins, and the source of the others.
It is identified as a desire to be more important or attractive than others, failing to acknowledge the good work of others, and excessive love of self.

It is listed as number *6* of the seven deadly sins :)

Oh, you are referring to that pagan god. Well, all the pagan gods were crazy in some way. But actually, that guy precisely for that reason was an advanced being, clearly distinguishing himself from an animal, because animals lack pride.

Tell, you what: do not litter and I will say unto you "Well done" - and you may be proud of that achievement.


There is only ONE Pagan god and that is mother earth - there are no others.

So why you refer to THAT Pagan god I find somewhat puzzling.
That just shows that you obviously think there are more Pagan gods than one. lol.
What a blinkered (and christian-indoctrinated) view!

(in reply to Rule)
Profile   Post #: 127
RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/12/2012 12:56:46 PM   
Moonhead


Posts: 16520
Joined: 9/21/2009
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
There is only ONE Pagan god and that is mother earth - there are no others.

She's a Goddess.
There's plenty of pagan Gods. Have a flip through Larousse and you'll find a few dozen who piss standing up. There's a couple who have their own comics in print, for fuck's sake.

_____________________________

I like to think he was eaten by rats, in the dark, during a fog. It's what he would have wanted...
(Simon R Green on the late James Herbert)

(in reply to freedomdwarf1)
Profile   Post #: 128
RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/12/2012 1:21:43 PM   
freedomdwarf1


Posts: 6845
Joined: 10/23/2012
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
There is only ONE Pagan god and that is mother earth - there are no others.

She's a Goddess.
There's plenty of pagan Gods. Have a flip through Larousse and you'll find a few dozen who piss standing up. There's a couple who have their own comics in print, for fuck's sake.


Then you too have little understanding of what is Pagan and what is not.

Being non-christian doesn not in itself make it 'Pagan', although many of christian-like mindsets like to think so.

Pagan is quite specific and also differs from Wiccan, although a lot of people get those two mixed up.
There is only one Pagan 'God' (we don't really differentiate the sex of it) and that is Mother Earth. She has two deities (some call them gods, but we don't) who are known as the Holly King and the Oak King and each of those follow two seasons each and each contributes to the cycle of life. Most Pagans don't actually call her a god either. She is just there. the ground we walk on and can feel - that is something that most other religions cannot do as their gods are ethereal and very unreal.

(in reply to Moonhead)
Profile   Post #: 129
RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/12/2012 1:24:04 PM   
Moonhead


Posts: 16520
Joined: 9/21/2009
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Then you too have little understanding of what is Pagan and what is not.

I have a better understanding of what pagan is than you do, it seems.

_____________________________

I like to think he was eaten by rats, in the dark, during a fog. It's what he would have wanted...
(Simon R Green on the late James Herbert)

(in reply to freedomdwarf1)
Profile   Post #: 130
RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/12/2012 1:29:48 PM   
freedomdwarf1


Posts: 6845
Joined: 10/23/2012
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Then you too have little understanding of what is Pagan and what is not.

I have a better understanding of what pagan is than you do, it seems.


Obviosly not if you think there is more than one Pagan god.

You seem to be of the same opinion, like many other christian-indoctrinated people, that virtually anything non-christian has a 'Pagan' label. That is not the case. lol.

(in reply to Moonhead)
Profile   Post #: 131
RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/12/2012 1:30:41 PM   
Moonhead


Posts: 16520
Joined: 9/21/2009
Status: offline 		Muslims and Jews aren't pagans, either.

_____________________________

I like to think he was eaten by rats, in the dark, during a fog. It's what he would have wanted...
(Simon R Green on the late James Herbert)

(in reply to freedomdwarf1)
Profile   Post #: 132
RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/12/2012 1:31:05 PM   
mnottertail


Posts: 60698
Joined: 11/3/2004
Status: offline 		Paganism is by definition pretty polytheistic.  Now wouldn't it be fairly true among the One believers that Rome was pagan to which they hoisted a flagon?

Cuz the only think the heathen Norse had that was one is Odin, one eyed god of confusion and war.   And the heathen are by definition pagans.

Mutter Erde is unum e pluribus. German.

Schlau, aber nicht wahr, all you one true wayers. 

 

_____________________________

Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two? Judges 5:30


(in reply to Moonhead)
Profile   Post #: 133
RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/12/2012 1:32:06 PM   
Moonhead


Posts: 16520
Joined: 9/21/2009
Status: offline 		Don't tell me, tell him.


_____________________________

I like to think he was eaten by rats, in the dark, during a fog. It's what he would have wanted...
(Simon R Green on the late James Herbert)

(in reply to mnottertail)
Profile   Post #: 134
RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/12/2012 1:37:12 PM   
freedomdwarf1


Posts: 6845
Joined: 10/23/2012
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Paganism is by definition pretty polytheistic.  Now wouldn't it be fairly true among the One believers that Rome was pagan to which they hoisted a flagon?

Cuz the only think the heathen Norse had that was one is Odin, one eyed god of confusion and war.   And the heathen are by definition pagans.

Mutter Erde is unum e pluribus. German.

Schlau, aber nicht wahr, all you one true wayers. 

 


I think the Romans and those that opposed the Roman gods and deities to form what we now call the catholic belief structure made a lot of effort to make sure they were not considered as Pagans.

And heathens, much like heretics, are not considered as Pagans either - only by those that follow certain christian doctrinations and hearsay.

It's a label used by many to depict non-christians but not held true by real Pagans.

(in reply to mnottertail)
Profile   Post #: 135
RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/12/2012 1:41:25 PM   
Moonhead


Posts: 16520
Joined: 9/21/2009
Status: offline 		What you're defining as "real" pagans are neopagans, dear.
Find an OED and check how pagan was defined before you were born.

_____________________________

I like to think he was eaten by rats, in the dark, during a fog. It's what he would have wanted...
(Simon R Green on the late James Herbert)

(in reply to freedomdwarf1)
Profile   Post #: 136
RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/12/2012 1:43:01 PM   
Rule


Posts: 10479
Joined: 12/5/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead
I have a better understanding of what pagan is than you do, it seems.


Indeed you do, Moonhead.

And I have decided to click the Hide button.


_____________________________

"I tend to pay attention when Rule speaks" - Aswad

"You are sweet, kind, and ever so smart, Rule. You ALWAYS stretch my mind and make me think further than I might have on my own" - Duskypearls

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

(in reply to freedomdwarf1)
Profile   Post #: 137
RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/12/2012 1:49:44 PM   
freedomdwarf1


Posts: 6845
Joined: 10/23/2012
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead

What you're defining as "real" pagans are neopagans, dear.
Find an OED and check how pagan was defined before you were born.


No, I am not a Neo-Pagan either.

And Pagan was defined over 10,000 years ago - long before any modern religions.

Most of the so-called Pagans traits are indeed polytheistic, as were those of the Norsks etc.
However, the original druid-based and oldest known Pagan followers are more monotheistic as they do not believe in more than one god.
And that 'god' is not a personage or a spirit of any type and we don't hold our 'god' as as supernatural either.

As explained by Wiki -

The deities of polytheism are often portrayed as complex personages of greater or lesser status, with individual skills, needs, desires and histories; in many ways similar to humans (anthropomorphic) in their personality traits, but with additional individual powers, abilities, knowledge or perceptions.
Polytheism cannot be cleanly separated from the animist beliefs prevalent in most folk religions. The gods of polytheism are in many cases the highest order of a continuum of supernatural beings or spirits, which may include ancestors, demons, wights and others


Edit in response to Rule: If you are so intolerant as to not want to face the fact that your religion is not the only one on this earth then you are truly not worthy of my time.
That just proves to me that you are extremely intolerant and your indoctrination is so complete that you cannot think outside of that very small box.


< Message edited by freedomdwarf1 -- 11/12/2012 1:55:31 PM >

(in reply to Moonhead)
Profile   Post #: 138
RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/12/2012 1:53:21 PM   
Moonhead


Posts: 16520
Joined: 9/21/2009
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Most of the so-called Pagans traits are indeed polytheistic, as were those of the Norsks etc.
However, the original druid-based and oldest known Pagan followers are more monotheistic as they do not believe in more than one god.
And that 'god' is not a personage or a spirit of any type and we don't hold our 'god' as as supernatural either.

You can demonstrate what the Druids believed rather than what Gerald Gardner said that they believed in the '40s because he thought the OTO was a bit poofy for his taste and he decided he'd rather invent his own religion then, can you?

_____________________________

I like to think he was eaten by rats, in the dark, during a fog. It's what he would have wanted...
(Simon R Green on the late James Herbert)

(in reply to freedomdwarf1)
Profile   Post #: 139
RE: Why should we preserve Iran - 11/12/2012 1:58:44 PM   
freedomdwarf1


Posts: 6845
Joined: 10/23/2012
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Most of the so-called Pagans traits are indeed polytheistic, as were those of the Norsks etc.
However, the original druid-based and oldest known Pagan followers are more monotheistic as they do not believe in more than one god.
And that 'god' is not a personage or a spirit of any type and we don't hold our 'god' as as supernatural either.

You can demonstrate what the Druids believed rather than what Gerald Gardner said that they believed in the '40s because he thought the OTO was a bit poofy for his taste and he decided he'd rather invent his own religion then, can you?


Who is Gerald Gardiner when he's at home??

He is just another author with his own views on what he believed they belieived in.

Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and what they think others believe in.
If they decide to put pen to paper and write a book about it, good for them :) More money in the bank.

(in reply to Moonhead)
Profile   Post #: 140
Page:   <<   < prev  5 6 [7] 8 9   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: Why should we preserve Iran Page: <<   < prev  5 6 [7] 8 9   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.125