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RE: Post election thoughts. - 11/7/2012 7:37:13 AM   
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why should there be, he won the popular vote and the electoral college ...handily...

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RE: Post election thoughts. - 11/7/2012 7:39:02 AM   
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Only now coming to this thread. My first reaction is that enough people in the states that mattered voted for the correct man to lead the country for the next four years. My second reaction is that we remain a deeply divided country over what is important. My third reaction is that the Republican party needs to redefine itself (if it is even capable of doing so) in order to stay relevant.

Winning all the red and/or red-neck states is simply not enough to win the presidency. They have to appeal to a wider range of Americans. They have four years to figure that one out. Let's see how they do. Why do I want the Republican party to thrive? Because the political discourse of the entire country will improve if the party can become more relevant to moderates. If the Republican party can't do it, then perhaps it is time for a new moderate party to emerge.

Everyone, whatever one's political stripes, should reject the extremes. The extremes drag us down as a society, as a nation. The best answers are usually the ones in the middle, the ones that attempt to balance competing interests, but with a keen eye on the fact that we are all in this together. I am an Independent. I vote for the person(s) who have the best ideas.

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RE: Post election thoughts. - 11/7/2012 7:39:48 AM   
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DS, I think the electoral college lost its relevancy at least 20 yrs ago (and I am being conservative, here). In the age of near-instant to instant comunication, the EC is an anachronism, IMO.



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RE: Post election thoughts. - 11/7/2012 7:40:55 AM   
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Only now coming to this thread. My first reaction is that enough people in the states that mattered voted for the correct man to lead the country for the next four years. My second reaction is that we remain a deeply divided country over what is important. My third reaction is that the Republican party needs to redefine itself (if it is even capable of doing so) in order to stay relevant.

Winning all the red and/or red-neck states is simply not enough to win the presidency. They have to appeal to a wider range of Americans. They have four years to figure that one out. Let's see how they do. Why do I want the Republican party to thrive? Because the political discourse of the entire country will improve if the party can become more relevant to moderates. If the Republican party can't do it, then perhaps it is time for a new moderate party to emerge.

Everyone, whatever one's political stripes, should reject the extremes. The extremes drag us down as a society, as a nation. The best answers are usually the ones in the middle, the ones that attempt to balance competing interests, but with a keen eye on the fact that we are all in this together. I am an Independent. I vote for the person(s) who have the best ideas.



Love this :)

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RE: Post election thoughts. - 11/7/2012 7:43:26 AM   
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LOL....riiiiiiiight....I can see this isn't a real discussion....Communists?...I don't know history....lol...just another far right looney posting away!

you voted for a communist. i am sure you are ok with it......until a loved one is denied health insurance, or you arrested for figure of speech on the net...or until the net is moderated by a beauracrat.


If you are going to use big boy words, please understand what they mean first.

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RE: Post election thoughts. - 11/7/2012 7:44:09 AM   
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DS, I think the electoral college lost its relevancy at least 20 yrs ago (and I am being conservative, here). In the age of near-instant to instant comunication, the EC is an anachronism, IMO.




I don't know.........given that Florida, one of the biggest states for electoral votes, STILL cannot find a reliable system for the popular votes.


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RE: Post election thoughts. - 11/7/2012 7:44:29 AM   
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My thought is: I don't hear the PPLs on TV and elsewhere, bitching about the Electoral College; like they did in 2000. There's not some kind of double-standard in play here, is there?

What, so there was a stopped recount in Florida last night that would have given Captain Magicpants a lead over the Kenyan, was there?

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RE: Post election thoughts. - 11/7/2012 7:45:36 AM   
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hell, LaT.. florida is florida. any election related stuff from there should be taken with a fistful of salt, IMO.

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RE: Post election thoughts. - 11/7/2012 7:46:45 AM   
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Apparently so. They haven't impressed me. And remember that one whack job that used to troll here from the Florida panhandle.........he was just fucked up weird.

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RE: Post election thoughts. - 11/7/2012 7:48:46 AM   
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The Democrats picked up seats in both houses.

I believe that chainedandgagged is referring to those who lost, not the net. In other words, ignore any Dem wins/GOP losses and solely focus on Dem losses.

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RE: Post election thoughts. - 11/7/2012 7:49:02 AM   
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He's popped by a time or two since.

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RE: Post election thoughts. - 11/7/2012 7:49:28 AM   
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He appears to still be here under a sockpuppet account.


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RE: Post election thoughts. - 11/7/2012 7:50:23 AM   
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The people didnt speak.. sheesh.. they feared the boogeyman more than they feared moving "Forward" at a snails pace..


Look, I realize you dont like this country and take every chance to slam it because it doesnt fit your belief system.

I happen to love it, with all its flaws and quirks.

So you believe as you wish... and I will do the same. Its sorta one of those quirks I love most about the US.

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RE: Post election thoughts. - 11/7/2012 7:53:08 AM   
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So....Ryan kept his congressional seat.   That ratfuck traitor to the teabagger cause, here Romney is making his acceptance speech and Ryan is laughing up his sleeve and putting the fucks to him.

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RE: Post election thoughts. - 11/7/2012 7:55:56 AM   
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With an eye, no doubt, to running in the next cycle.

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RE: Post election thoughts. - 11/7/2012 7:57:07 AM   
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The people didnt speak.. sheesh.. they feared the boogeyman more than they feared moving "Forward" at a snails pace..


Look, I realize you dont like this country and take every chance to slam it because it doesnt fit your belief system.

I happen to love it, with all its flaws and quirks.

So you believe as you wish... and I will do the same. Its sorta one of those quirks I love most about the US.

you have it wrong, its not your country I dont like, its your govt & political system I dont like...

btw, has anyone told Obama that he has won the election??? cuz today, the day after the election, his campaign ads are still running on tv!!!

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RE: Post election thoughts. - 11/7/2012 7:58:21 AM   
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Interesting idea that the GOP could get the Latino vote.

But keep in mind that the entire concept is based on the Hispanics being a homogeneous bloc. Not true - the Cuban-Americans are solidly GOP, while the rest are solidly Dem.

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Two other thoughts:

1. Obama won, but Nate Silver won bigger. His Presidential predictions were spot on, and improved from 2008.

2. We're gonna have to DO something about Florida. They seem incapable of holding a proper election without a recount. Thank God that Florida wasn't the deciding state.


The Cuban exiles along with the other similar ones from Venezuala, El Salvador, etc.) are a special case (besides that the Cubans are Caribbean and not Latin American) all beng wealthy conservatives or reactionaries, and they will vote accordingly.

As for the Latinos you have according to the polls their main concerns in the United States are in order, the economy, including jobs and business rules, immigration if it applies to them, and crime. The province of the right in most nations is " Law and Order" and business.

As noted the percentage of "Latinos" voting for the GOPnow is ~22-34% depending on the state in question.

To say they might vote as a bloc is not correct, instead see it as a cultural frame of reference on the issues, much as firearms, drug or same sex marriages mightr be seen in different prospective in a "red" versus a "blue" state of yours.

And another complaint is that "Latinos" who can vote often do not bother, for the choice is often between Anglo A and Anglo B in many areas, or so it is claimed.

But it is not just myself saying this, there is a growing cadre of "Latino" politicians, and not all are leftists. And the GOP is attempting inroads, such is reported on the forums, and that it be taken seriously is a concern among the leftists who are often the organizers and activists

We have a president, a woman of the educated elite, a democratic socialist, who is as socially conservative as Sarah Palin regarding matters like abortion. What do you think the working class are like?

And for every one of the educated "Latinos" of the type you might speak with, you have in the United States a hundred working class or rurales mowing lawns, cleaning houses, and working in meat plants. The corporate glass ceiling for women, abortion or gun laws, or gay marriage are either meaningless to them, or met with antipathy.

And neither party can claim they did anything for the "Latinos."

Look at who the rank and file really are in the GOP and consider the similarities. Their United States children will be different, but that will take time.

The brighter GOP strategists are seeing this, the Democrats should take a hard look also.

I would do things like expand the DREAM Act, after all the United States paid the expense for the schools and trained the children to be United States citizens, you don't want to send them home alienated, the rise of groups like MS-13 are examples where this goes.



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RE: Post election thoughts. - 11/7/2012 7:58:31 AM   
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you voted for a communist. i am sure you are ok with it.


In the u.s. voting for a communist or a fascist or a republicrat or a demopub is a constitutionally protected right.
Pretty much anyone who has taken 6th grade civics knows this, how is it that you don't? Are you not from the u.s. or have you not taken sixth grade civics?

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RE: Post election thoughts. - 11/7/2012 8:00:35 AM   
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He skipped all that folderol and went directly to constitutional scholar.

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RE: Post election thoughts. - 11/7/2012 8:00:52 AM   
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With an eye, no doubt, to running in the next cycle.

I doubt that they'd do Hilary a favour like that.

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