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absolutchocolat -> RE: The future of the Republican Party (11/7/2012 4:16:06 PM)

i think it really depends on what region you're in. my polling place was pretty well-staffed, no lines. i was in and out in a few minutes.




DomKen -> RE: The future of the Republican Party (11/7/2012 4:22:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

FR

I see the socks have chosen irrelevancy for their party. That's too bad.

For Republicans/conservatives with brains, go up thread and look at that demographic chart of the 2012 electorate. Note in particular thatthe percentage of the white vote was72%. In 2014 it will be more like 70% and in 2016 it will be under 70. With those trends how long before Texas, the state that lets your side even pretend to be relevant, is a swing state?

Extremism and hate are a bad basis for a political party and having the Republican party defined by such hurts this nation. Please come back to tolerance for those who disagree with you and re-embrace belief that government should stay out of people's private affairs.


Americanism, limited government, call it what you will is dying. It's the equivalent of barbarians being allowed inside the gate. Given sufficient numbers and society has no choice but to alter to its next permutation. What made America so exceptional is becoming no more, and quickly. Immigrants have no concept of why America was able to do what it did. All they know is that they want some of it. Eventually America will look more like where they came from.

Even second and third generation are, for the most part, no exception. It's not in their make up. It's just the way it is.

The EU is suffering similarly.

Your beliefs are at odds with history.

In reality the US government expanded dramatically between 1932 and the early 1990's.. Another expansion occured between 2001 and 2008. The federal government has contracted substantially since Obama took office and if you consider government at all levels the shrinkage of government is the sole reason the economy is still so bad.

What you mean is that you don't like the priorities of this administration which is too bad. Elections have consequences.

Now will you double down on hate and exclusion or will you and your political party embrace the modern world?




Politesub53 -> RE: The future of the Republican Party (11/7/2012 4:33:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: absolutchocolat

i think it really depends on what region you're in. my polling place was pretty well-staffed, no lines. i was in and out in a few minutes.



Thanks.....I just saw plenty of long queues and wondered if that was the norm.




flyhumbleguy -> RE: The future of the Republican Party (11/7/2012 4:38:39 PM)

I think it is more accurate to describe the totality of policies as anti-birth. There is still very real potential for them to evolve to being truly pro-death as depopulation enters its next phase.




flyhumbleguy -> RE: The future of the Republican Party (11/7/2012 4:40:31 PM)

Christie didn't throw Romney under a bus so much as he covered his own prodigious ass. Christie who is up for re-election next year did not want opponent campaign ads showing him stumping for Romney while New Jersey was still in the midst of recovering from the hurricane.




tazzygirl -> RE: The future of the Republican Party (11/7/2012 4:42:44 PM)

I cant blame him. He is there to do a job... that doesnt entail kissing up to Romney.




tweakabelle -> RE: The future of the Republican Party (11/7/2012 5:03:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: slaveby12
They do need to move more to the center though and rid themselves of the extremist part of their party.


Is that ever going to happen? I think the thing that I, as a Brit, find most alien of all about American political culture is that it's so polarised. Here, many have pointed to the opposite sort of problem: that it's so centralised. Elections, everyone here knows, are won on the centre ground.


This is political common sense. However who would bet on the GOP adopting this course of action? If it does, it will only be after the mother of all ideological battles, with the looney Right losing.

It isn't clear to me that there are enough moderate Republicans left in the party to bring it back towards the centre. Nor is there much evidence to suggest those remaining GOP moderates have the mettle, or the skills to challenge an uncompromising far Right and win. So I am far from convinced that this re-positioning will occur. If the Dems have political sense, they will propose centrist policies that GOP moderates will find tempting. Have the Dems the nous to do this?

As things stand, the GOP looney Right has an effective veto over national decision-making and policy. The effect of them exercising this veto has been deadlock and a policy vacuum. No one, not the Reps, the Dems, the country or the world can afford to allow this to continue. "Reaching across the aisle" offers the Dems perfect cover to execute this manouvre.

Will they rise to the challenge? The reward for some smart bold politics is splitting the GOP and power for at least a generation.




dcnovice -> RE: The future of the Republican Party (11/7/2012 5:20:14 PM)

FR

The New Republic had two interesting articles tied to this subject:

Akin and Mourdock Are the Mainstream of Today's GOP

Despite Their Losses Last Night, Republicans Have One Trick Left: Gridlock





flyhumbleguy -> RE: The future of the Republican Party (11/7/2012 7:13:48 PM)

Gridlock is far from being up the sleeve since it has been on the table for two years now already. Up the sleeve still is higher unemployment, slower economic growth, and an ever-burgeoning deficit. Unlike Clinton, Obama might not only be impeached but he could be removed.




pleasingpet -> RE: The future of the Republican Party (11/7/2012 7:16:19 PM)


sure.

keep strokin'.





flyhumbleguy -> RE: The future of the Republican Party (11/7/2012 7:22:27 PM)

Haha...you offer as much substance as who I'm sure you voted for.




erieangel -> RE: The future of the Republican Party (11/7/2012 7:26:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Lol,it's a good thing you are a humble guy [:D]

The Republican Party will probably stumble around in the political wilderness(nationally speaking) for another cycle or two.
They are already,if right wing talk show wing nuts can be heeded,suggesting that this loss was due to a lack of purity as to their conservatism.
In other words they believe they must move further right in order to win ....which dooms them to that wilderness [8|]
When they get sick of that they just might jettison the fringe of their party and move back a bit to the center.
That's my take,for what it is worth.....certainly worth more than some other humble opinions [:)]



Doubling down on their failed policies may get republicans voted into the House, elections of which tend to be more localized. But look at the narrow win for Bauchman--it doesn't have staying power for most elections. And they can probably the statewide elections for the Senate, governorships and the like. The presidency? The republicans won't see the White House for at least a decade, especially if the economy improves in the next 4 years.




slvemike4u -> RE: The future of the Republican Party (11/7/2012 7:30:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

Chris Christie will be the nominee in 2016, for better or worse... But you guys can hardly beat on him after his Obama bear hug, and leadership during Sandy.

Christie not only threw Romney under the bus last week, but he's set himself up as the guy who is PROVEN to work with the opposition for the good of his state... Kinda hard to run against that, especially when the Obamacare taxes kick in in 14, and the middle class disappears itno the permanent welfare class, and part time jobs are considered careers.

Are you nuts...they are already castigating Christie for his Sandy bi-partisan comments if support of the President,in some quarters (right wing radio) he is the reason Romney lost.
You think these same people are going to nominate him after what he,in their eyes ,did to them?
As I said....fucking nuts.




slvemike4u -> RE: The future of the Republican Party (11/7/2012 7:34:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: flyhumbleguy

I agree with your cycle or two comment as relates to the presidential race since certainly the Dems are going to offer up yet another historical nominee in Hillary Clinton that all those with sexist monkeys on their back will hope to throw them off the same way that they delusionally hoped to get the racist monkey off. After that though, one-trick ponies will all be out of their stables and the GOP will no longer have to content itself with controlling the House.

Yeah "sexist monkeys" is why the Republicans will lose the next Presidential election....lol
Do me a favor humbleguy.......never ever agree with anything I say,any position I take....just don't,okay ?




slvemike4u -> RE: The future of the Republican Party (11/7/2012 7:44:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: chainedandgagged


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ORIGINAL: stef

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ORIGINAL: chainedandgagged

Pro death or pro choice.

Fail.

as usual nor real respsonse to facts.

Offer facts and find out [:)]




slvemike4u -> RE: The future of the Republican Party (11/7/2012 7:48:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: stef

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ORIGINAL: chainedandgagged

I asked a question, you cannot and do not read peoples minds or motives.

I've never tried to read your mind and your motives are irrelevent. I require neither to say that you're absolutely brimming with fail.

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you are the one who failed to answer the question. with any sort childish response, forget adult.

Do you not even remember what you wrote? You can go back and check if your memory is as faulty as your spelling and logic.

Your original question has no answer. There is no opposite of "pro life" as abortion is not the black and white issue some of the rapeublican party's more vocal mouthbreathers would like everyone to believe. You might as well have asked "what is the opposite of cheeseburger?" because it makes about as much sense.





Hamburger ?




Hillwilliam -> RE: The future of the Republican Party (11/7/2012 7:50:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

FR

The New Republic had two interesting articles tied to this subject:

Akin and Mourdock Are the Mainstream of Today's GOP

Despite Their Losses Last Night, Republicans Have One Trick Left: Gridlock



The second article is especially interesting. The Republicans are basically saying "We don't give a fuck what the American people want, we're going to continue being a whore for big business and y'all can go to hell"




slvemike4u -> RE: The future of the Republican Party (11/7/2012 8:01:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: erieangel


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Lol,it's a good thing you are a humble guy [:D]

The Republican Party will probably stumble around in the political wilderness(nationally speaking) for another cycle or two.
They are already,if right wing talk show wing nuts can be heeded,suggesting that this loss was due to a lack of purity as to their conservatism.
In other words they believe they must move further right in order to win ....which dooms them to that wilderness [8|]
When they get sick of that they just might jettison the fringe of their party and move back a bit to the center.
That's my take,for what it is worth.....certainly worth more than some other humble opinions [:)]



Doubling down on their failed policies may get republicans voted into the House, elections of which tend to be more localized. But look at the narrow win for Bauchman--it doesn't have staying power for most elections. And they can probably the statewide elections for the Senate, governorships and the like. The presidency? The republicans won't see the White House for at least a decade, especially if the economy improves in the next 4 years.


Isn't that what I said,though I pretty much stayed focused on national elections "
In other words we agree,right ?




Louve00 -> RE: The future of the Republican Party (11/7/2012 8:55:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: flyhumbleguy

Gridlock is far from being up the sleeve since it has been on the table for two years now already. Up the sleeve still is higher unemployment, slower economic growth, and an ever-burgeoning deficit. Unlike Clinton, Obama might not only be impeached but he could be removed.


Ya think? I'm hoping you're wrong, guy. As Dylan once said... "♫Oh the times,♪♫ they are a changing♫♫




DomKen -> RE: The future of the Republican Party (11/7/2012 9:06:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: flyhumbleguy

Gridlock is far from being up the sleeve since it has been on the table for two years now already. Up the sleeve still is higher unemployment, slower economic growth, and an ever-burgeoning deficit. Unlike Clinton, Obama might not only be impeached but he could be removed.

Please stop living in a fantasy land and rejoin the rest of us in the real world.

BTW conviction by the Senate in an impeachment trial requires a 2/3rds vote. That would require at least 22 Democratic Senators to vote to convict which simply will not happen for some trumped up political nonsense.




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