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GotSteel -> RE: Given the results in the house, Obama has a clear mandate.... (11/10/2012 5:43:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: papassion Mandate? I thought Romney won the popular vote. Obama won the electorial count. I would interpret this to mean more PEOPLE didn't want Obama. Nope http://www.google.com/elections/ed/us/results Election Results Candidate Popular vote Percentage Electoral votes (270 to win) Barack Obama 61681462 51% 303 Mitt Romney 58488199 48% 206

tweakabelle -> RE: Given the results in the house, Obama has a clear mandate.... (11/10/2012 6:02:48 AM)
quote: Don't ask them to 'critically think' it, please. Teach them how to reject it. . That sums up the attitude of those Texas Republicans who sought to prevent kids being taught critical thinking skills pretty accurately. I'm not sure exactly what you are describing in your post, but it doesn't resemble any academic institution I am familiar with. It may be that US universities are quite different to ours. It may be relevant that the corporate influences you mention disparagingly are absent from our largely State funded universities and public education system. Here 'critical thinking skills' describes teaching students how to analyse and evaluate ideas for themselves. It does not include teaching any ideology - rather it teaches them how to analyse and evaluate any ideology for themselves. Students are then free to make up their own minds on any issue. I'm happy to teach critical thinking skills to any student interested in the subject - I would be loathe to teach any ideology (including my own) to them or any one else for that matter.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Given the results in the house, Obama has a clear mandate.... (11/10/2012 6:17:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie quote: ORIGINAL: SilverMark Nook, do you think the Republicans have the market cornered on success and self reliance?.... REALLY? No. If that is your contention you have your head buried so far up your ass you will need surgery to extract it! Well, I will say, it's quite a lot like roses..... Just admit that you backed the wrong horse, and go on, it happens...I once voted for Al FREAKING Gore because I disliked W so much that it almost made me ill. The Republicans as a group have HUGE issues to solve within their ranks, and have no idea how to get the Whitehouse because they have to have the Michelle Bachman's within their ranks to keep the religious nuts voting! I didn't back the wrong horse at all....in the slightest. I backed my horse. He didn't win. And now, THE Prez....is MY Prez....and I support him 8,287%. As we all should. Bitching about the process is fruitless. It's time to row. (I'll be rowing). I actually once voted for W in 2002, and was beyond pissed that Gore, who actually won....wasn't MY Prez (try reading some of my previous posts, you may find me not the anathema you think I may be). Maybe the Republicans will have the balls to run Christie next time....now there is a Republican that has something worth backing! Maybe. Mitt was simply a seat filler, it was his turn, just like McCain the last time. No, Mitt was the real deal. His concession speech expressed that quite clearly....praying for the Prez, wishing him well....etc. McCain didn't do that. Gore didn't do that. Bush One didn't do that. Romney was a class act when leaving. That aside....I was pissed that Gore wasn't my Pres because....(I felt that was the deal we all agreed to). So...when you want to presume my assumptions or positions....you're welcome to ask me. Until then....don't. Presume, that is. (You'll more than likely be incorrect). Christie...he's a blowhard. As to my personal suppositions....I have them. I expressed them at the ballot box. And now...Obama is MY President. Blow HARD all you want...place blame all you want....I'm on the side of the guy who Captains the ship. And as of today....That's president Obama. My President. Your President. OUR President. Awww finally admits to being republican. Thank god you are coming out of the closet. can you lose the "independent" thing now? its tired I've never said I was anything but a Republican.

tazzygirl -> RE: Given the results in the house, Obama has a clear mandate.... (11/10/2012 9:22:55 AM)
Romney was such a class act that he didnt have a concession speech written, but he made damn sure those credit cards he gave his employees were cancelled.

Lucylastic -> RE: Given the results in the house, Obama has a clear mandate.... (11/10/2012 9:23:45 AM)
what made it funnier was that he shared that little nugget

slvemike4u -> RE: Given the results in the house, Obama has a clear mandate.... (11/10/2012 9:49:46 AM)
"Class act" "real deal" I just don't see it.He did what he had to do to get nominated,what the base of that party demands that a candidate do,move so far to the right so as to have absolutely no chance of winning in the general And please,please do not be fooled by the popular vote,this was a rout of immense proportions in the College.Romney never had a chance. Anyone confused as to why need look back no further than to the Republican debates,audiences cheering for,in no particular order: Abandoning the sick to their own fate,executions at the speed only a state like Texas can do,mass deportations,jeering at a soldier who admitted they were gay. What kind of candidate did these people expect to get,save for the one they demanded ! No doubt about it,if the Republican party wants to examine their loss they need to look inward...and than they need to kick some folks to the curb(in a manner of speaking) before they can honestly turn around and tell other groups of folks that they are a party that welcomes them. Do that ,please do that and once again become the second party my country so desperately needs.

TheHeretic -> RE: Given the results in the house, Obama has a clear mandate.... (11/10/2012 10:17:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk Yeah I figured it would come out of you once you saw the devastation to your side. Its cool old man. you are who you are. Devastation? What devastation? The President won with 8 million fewer votes than he had the first time around, and once the Republican true believers get over their crying jag, he gets to deal with the aftermath of the campaign he waged. That's the problem with running on the Alinsky model. You make a lot of permanent enemies. Look a little farther down the road than next Friday night, Kiddo. The piper is going to be looking for his payday, and our President still doesn't have a clue about how to work with Congress.

tazzygirl -> RE: Given the results in the house, Obama has a clear mandate.... (11/10/2012 10:24:50 AM)
A People's Organization is dedicated to an eternal war. It is a war against poverty, misery, delinquency, disease, injustice, hopelessness, despair, and unhappiness. They are basically the same issues for which nations have gone to war in almost every generation. . . . War is not an intellectual debate, and in the war against social evils there are no rules of fair play. . . .

TheHeretic -> RE: Given the results in the house, Obama has a clear mandate.... (11/10/2012 10:43:19 AM)
That's lovely, Tazzy, but it pretends that 1) Everybody agrees on what the social evils are, and 2) That there is only one possible approach to fighting them.

Lucylastic -> RE: Given the results in the house, Obama has a clear mandate.... (11/10/2012 11:09:12 AM)
keep using the "alinsky" principles Rich, its not like ANYONE has a corner on the market LMAO

tazzygirl -> RE: Given the results in the house, Obama has a clear mandate.... (11/10/2012 11:19:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic That's lovely, Tazzy, but it pretends that 1) Everybody agrees on what the social evils are, and 2) That there is only one possible approach to fighting them. The social evils debate In 2007, the Joseph Rowntree Foundation started a UK-wide debate to find out what are the social evils of the 21st century. Thousands of people told us what they thought these were. Common themes included drugs and alcohol, crime and violence, and decline of the family. Underlying these, some other themes emerged – including a perception of a decline in values, fear of others, inequality and a lack of community. http://www.socialevils.org.uk/ A social issue (also called a social ill or a social problem) is a controversial issue that relates to people's personal lives and interactions. Social issues are distinguished from economic issues. Some issues have both social and economic aspects, such as immigration. There are also controversial issues that don't fall into either category, such as wars. Thomas Paine, in Rights of Man and Common Sense, addresses man's duty to "allow the same rights to others as we allow ourselves". The failure to do so causes the birth of a social issue. Social issues include: Abortion Suicide and Assisted suicide Censorship Illegal Immigration Gay Rights Religious laws Racism Gun rights Capital punishment Corporal punishment Bullying Drug laws Alcohol laws Tobacco and smoking laws Gambling laws Prostitution laws Ageism / Youth rights / Old Age Age of consent School leaving age Ableism (Disability) Immigration Corruption Unemployment Riots Child Labor Poverty Beggars Terrorism Child abuse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_issue http://www.scribd.com/doc/7804307/Social-Evils-Summary Take your pick. As far as agreeing... not everyone has to agree... only enough people to make a majority have to agree. That majority can change, as in slavery, or it can remain constant, as in proverty.

TheHeretic -> RE: Given the results in the house, Obama has a clear mandate.... (11/10/2012 11:19:34 AM)
Well of course not, Lucy. Alinsky's "Rules" is about tactics, and an "ends justify the means," approach. There are several things I want to look at in the quote Tazzy posted (speaking of Tazzy, you two need to consider better coordination on your asses - it's very nice mind you, but confusing at a glance), but since Obama hasn't yet introduced a national handyman program where the government will come do maintenance on senior citizen's homes, I'm heading into town. Have a lovely day. [:)]

TheHeretic -> RE: Given the results in the house, Obama has a clear mandate.... (11/10/2012 11:20:35 AM)
This just got even better, Tazzy. I'll be back to that one.

tazzygirl -> RE: Given the results in the house, Obama has a clear mandate.... (11/10/2012 11:21:45 AM)
LOL.. a man complaining about too many hot asses. What is happening in this country???

Lucylastic -> RE: Given the results in the house, Obama has a clear mandate.... (11/10/2012 11:30:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Well of course not, Lucy. Alinsky's "Rules" is about tactics, and an "ends justify the means," approach. There are several things I want to look at in the quote Tazzy posted (speaking of Tazzy, you two need to consider better coordination on your asses - it's very nice mind you, but confusing at a glance), but since Obama hasn't yet introduced a national handyman program where the government will come do maintenance on senior citizen's homes, I'm heading into town. Have a lovely day. [:)] of course the republican tactics have been so so un alinsky... btw... Confusing you is something I shouldnt enjoy?[;)][;)]

tazzygirl -> RE: Given the results in the house, Obama has a clear mandate.... (11/10/2012 11:38:52 AM)
quote: btw... Confusing you is something I shouldnt enjoy? That's too close to saying we shouldn't be women.

TheHeretic -> RE: Given the results in the house, Obama has a clear mandate.... (11/10/2012 4:14:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: btw... Confusing you is something I shouldnt enjoy? That's too close to saying we shouldn't be women. Well I'm not saying, "stop," by any stretch of the imagination. Maybe just add tattoos to them, or have Tazzy use one with a few paddle marks.

tazzygirl -> RE: Given the results in the house, Obama has a clear mandate.... (11/10/2012 4:15:40 PM)
OOOOOOOOoooooooooo now Im on the hunt!

DomKen -> RE: Given the results in the house, Obama has a clear mandate.... (11/10/2012 4:17:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl LOL.. a man complaining about too many hot asses. What is happening in this country??? Let me quickly add a vote for more hot asses not less.

dcnovice -> RE: Given the results in the house, Obama has a clear mandate.... (11/10/2012 4:27:28 PM)
quote: That's the problem with running on the Alinsky model. Oh, good: Alinsky is back! I'd been missing him. [:)] quote: Our President still doesn't have a clue about how to work with Congress. What do you feel he could or should do that he hasn't?

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