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VioletGray -> Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/7/2012 8:51:38 PM)

Now hear me out...

So I was watching this documentary called "Guns, Germs and Steel" which offered explanation as to why some peoples expanded and advanced as a civilization while others remained relatively primitive. That part isn't important.

What is important however is what they said about barley. The ball really got rolling once middle-eastern man discovered how awesome barley was and transitioned to an agricultural lifestyle rather than a hunter-gatherer lifestyle. A sort of symbiotic relationship started to form where man would skip planting the smaller or blander seeds in favor of the biggest, most promising seeds which would then increase the overall quality of the crop, which in turn would improve man's food supply and so on, you get the point.

This is kinda what is happening in the Republican party right now. The American voter has been farming again, and these are the crops that didn't get re-planted this year:

Todd "Legitimate rape" Akin

Allen "Get discharged from the military for putting a hood over a prisoner's face and discharging a firearm next to their head" West

Richard "Rape pregnancy is a gift from God" Mourdock

Joe "Flip out on people in a public forum, Oh and by the way abortions are never necessary to save a mother's life" Walsh

This can only be good for the next crop of Republicans, as the absence of these bad seeds will enrich the political dialogue overall. If there's one thing I hate it's an abundance of optimism but I think that the Republican party will bounce back having learned and adapted because they'll need to in order to survive. While I know it won't be all sunshine and rainbows I'm hopeful that the overall political climate will change.

Now if you guys would only realize how you're wrong about everything! :-P



Iamsemisweet -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/7/2012 10:07:55 PM)

Still, they control the House. Which means they can obstruct anything they want, ans then blame the lack of action on the Dems.



Lordandmaster -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 1:23:49 AM)

I'm with semisweet.



absolutchocolat -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 1:29:49 AM)

the bigger lesson in all of this is -- the country is divided right down the middle. compromise is necessary moving forward, so pointing out the flaws in the republican party is kind of moot. democrats have just as many.



flyhumbleguy -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 3:40:58 AM)

Thanks for the initial post. This past election was less an ass whuppin' and more a mild bitch slap. If you keep watching closely, you'll see that the Republican Party is far from becoming irrelevant and that rather it is the Democratic Party that is on the brink of imploding.



Moonhead -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 3:41:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Still, they control the House. Which means they can obstruct anything they want, ans then blame the lack of action on the Dems.

Sad but true. Hopefully now that he doesn't have to worry about reelection anymore the Kenyan will start using those executive order things his predecessor was so fond of, and maybe grow a pair while he's at it, but I'm not holding my breath expecting either at this point.



DesideriScuri -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 4:48:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: flyhumbleguy
Thanks for the initial post. This past election was less an ass whuppin' and more a mild bitch slap. If you keep watching closely, you'll see that the Republican Party is far from becoming irrelevant and that rather it is the Democratic Party that is on the brink of imploding.


I don't understand how you get to this point. If you would, please explain. I'm a Conservative and much more libertarian than Republican. I believe it was you that pointed out that monolithic entities usually end up imploding, but I didn't see how that applied to these political times.

Careful with that "bitch slap" comment. farglebargle says that's racist. [8|]



Iamsemisweet -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 4:48:28 AM)

Obama does need to grow a pair, it's true.



VioletGray -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 5:03:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Still, they control the House. Which means they can obstruct anything they want, ans then blame the lack of action on the Dems.



This occurred to me too, but since we have NO idea who the next president is going to be or what the house and senate will look like I think that both sides will want to appear useful.


quote:

ORIGINAL: absolutchocolat

the bigger lesson in all of this is -- the country is divided right down the middle. compromise is necessary moving forward, so pointing out the flaws in the republican party is kind of moot. democrats have just as many.


Definitely not saying that the dems don't have problems. But they don't have problems of this particular nature. Do we have the equivalent of Allen West, or Todd Akin on our side? There's a reason the gender gap among voters was so evident. If the country is divided right down the middle, they didn't vote that way. A 100 electoral vote difference is not what I'd call "Down the middle."

quote:

ORIGINAL: flyhumbleguy

Thanks for the initial post. This past election was less an ass whuppin' and more a mild bitch slap. If you keep watching closely, you'll see that the Republican Party is far from becoming irrelevant and that rather it is the Democratic Party that is on the brink of imploding.


I think you misunderstand, I don't think the Republican Party is becoming irrelevant at all. I just think that after this the GOP is bound to make some changes that are good for it's party, which in turn is good for American politics as a whole.



DarkSteven -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 5:26:01 AM)

Violet, let me put the whole thing in perspective. It wasn't just that the GOP lost. There are other factors:

1. They lost against an unpopular President. Obama and GW Bush have the lowest approval ratings of any reelected President.
2. The GOP's stances that are not friendly to gays and minorities will ensure that their base will shrink over time.
3. The economy is poised for a turnaround. So the Bush years will get blamed for the recession, and the Dems will get credited with turning it around.

The GOP is currently devoid of a solid message. They have numerous different voices.

1. The Tea Partiers. Cut spending and taxes.
2. The Libertarians. Cut government. Liberal on social issues.
3. The religious right. Repeal Roe vs Wade. Push a religious agenda. Suppress other religious agendas.
4. Racists and haters. Especially with a half black President. Plenty of misogynists here. Lots of dittoheads here,
5. Laffers. Trickle down diehards. Advocates of tax cuts for the wealthy, euphemistically and incorrectly termed "job creators".
6. Outright nuts. The birthers. Conspiracy theorists.
7. Classic conservatives. Against social programs but pro-defense. Careful about spending, but not advocates of trickle-down.

The party has no real foreign policy stance, with some being isolationist, and some being aggressive saber rattlers.

Big tents are nice, but the party has been united only in its hatred for Obama and its desire to stop him. Without Obama in 2016, they will simply take his alleged undesirable features, and transfer them to the Dems as a whole. If I'm right and the economy does come back, it will just make them more shrill. They will focus on the debt/deficit. Let's face it, Americans don't think long term and the debt is a "later" issue, not a "now" one. The only other possibility that I can see is that they'll hammer the Dems for being weak on foreign policy, especially after the Arab Spring producers more independent Arab nations. But after two stupid wars and the fact that we tend to worry more about domestic than foreign issues, that shouldn't get much traction.

I don't see the GOP making the tough choices and, to be fair, I don't know what they should do. They've gotten themselves into a mess by not exercising any restraint on Rush and on Bush. Those two redefined the GOP into something unpalatable.




flyhumbleguy -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 6:46:13 AM)

Violet, I did understand your point as such but thanks for confirming. It is I that probably could have been clearer.



flyhumbleguy -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 6:51:32 AM)

This is a very good post Steven which well highlights the current struggle within the Republican Party...thank you. The battle hasn't played out fully still but my guess is that things will play out with the party getting back to a more traditional constitutional understanding of limited and enumerated powers as relates to commerce, less imperialistic ambitions, and a libertarian approach to social policies. This I think can end up being a winning approach to suggesting more sensible solutions as well as a more inclusive umbrella.



kalikshama -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 6:54:16 AM)

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Iamsemisweet -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 6:58:04 AM)

The Repubs have managed to gerrymander congressional districts in such a way that they are likely to control the House for many years to come. Irrelevant or not,they are going to be the "party of no" for a long time. If they can continue to obstruct everything Obama does, and then blame it on him, they can say in the next prez election that Dems can't get anything done.
The real problem with the Repubs is their lackluster candidates. Romney was a horrible candidate, but he was the best of a bad lot. Paul Ryan is as close to a charismatic rising star as they have got.



Moonhead -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 7:05:04 AM)

You do wonder what the hell they're going to be campaigning on in 2016 after their epic fail in voting Obama out after one term, as well.



DomKen -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 7:16:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

[image]https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.weareultraviolet.org/images/year_of_women.jpg[/image]

Quoted because it is worth repeating

A rather telling tidbit shows what is wrong with the Republican party:
The incoming House Democratic Caucus will not be majority white male for the first time ever.

We look like America and increasingly the Republicans do not.



mnottertail -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 7:17:15 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

The Repubs have managed to gerrymander congressional districts in such a way that they are likely to control the House for many years to come. Irrelevant or not,they are going to be the "party of no" for a long time. If they can continue to obstruct everything Obama does, and then blame it on him, they can say in the next prez election that Dems can't get anything done.
The real problem with the Repubs is their lackluster candidates. Romney was a horrible candidate, but he was the best of a bad lot. Paul Ryan is as close to a charismatic rising star as they have got.


While I agree with this in whole and in part, I will point out that here in MN the district for Michelle Bachmann was a gerrymandered gold nuts nearly 100% staunch republican district on a silver platter, and she squeaked by with just a little over 1% of the difference.

She ain't lackluster, she is the rabid right fairy queen teabagger.

Makes John Birch look like a fuckin pinko.



Iamsemisweet -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 7:22:20 AM)

You are making my point Ron. One has to wonder about a party that would consider Bachmann a viable candidate for prez.
As for her seat, squeak by she did, as nutty as she is. Oh, the wonders of gerrymandering.



mnottertail -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 7:27:21 AM)

But she has mad skillz, your honortrix.  Look at the way the eyes roll back in her head, I fear that had I lived in her district, I would fain vote for her if she orally offered me that platform:



DarkSteven -> RE: Republicans: This ass-whuppin' was good for you (seriously) (11/8/2012 7:29:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: flyhumbleguy

my guess is that things will play out with the party getting back to a more traditional constitutional understanding of limited and enumerated powers as relates to commerce, less imperialistic ambitions, and a libertarian approach to social policies. This I think can end up being a winning approach to suggesting more sensible solutions as well as a more inclusive umbrella.


Translation: anti-regulation, more isolationist, and less snooping in bedrooms.

I'd love it if that happened. But that would disenfranchise the religious right and the supply-siders, as well as the chest-thumpers. If that were to pass, then the GOP would differ from the Dems only in their views toward regulations and possibly social programs.



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