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Owner59 -> RE: The consequence of choice (11/8/2012 5:51:50 PM)
Cons to America..... Vote our way or else..... Got it.....

SilverMark -> RE: The consequence of choice (11/8/2012 5:52:40 PM)
Seems like a disingenuous act by a total jerk...

tazzygirl -> RE: The consequence of choice (11/8/2012 5:56:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Louve00 As far as the video taking into acct the price increases. Since the exchanges won't be available until 2013, I (we all) can only hope they did or will take that into account. If they want it to work, they're going to have to. [sm=smile.gif] Well, the video was posted in 2010. It gave the initial scoring of the ACA by the CBO, which has gone up significantly. That was the point I was making, but I did catch your angle. I smiled at it, even. I hate selective editing.... Not saying you did... “Well unfortunately, and most of my employees are Hispanic — I’m not gonna go into what kind of company I have, but I have mostly Hispanic employees — well unfortunately we know what happened and I can’t wait around anymore, I have to be proactive. I had to lay off 22 people today to make sure that my business is gonna thrive and I’m gonna be around for years to come. I have to build up that nest egg now for the taxes and regulations that are coming my way. Elections do have consequences, but so do choices. A choice you make every day has consequences and you know what, I’ve always put my employees first, but unfortunately today I have to put me and my family first, and you watch what’s gonna happen. I’m just one guy with 114 employees — well was 114 employees — watch what happens in the next six months. The Dow alone lost 314 points today. There’s a tsunami coming and if you didn’t think this election had consequences, just wait.” http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2012/11/07/vegas-employer-obama-won-so-i-fired-22-employees/

tazzygirl -> RE: The consequence of choice (11/8/2012 5:59:36 PM)
~FR Now.. for my final question... how do we know this is even real?

Owner59 -> RE: The consequence of choice (11/8/2012 6:00:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SilverMark Seems like a disingenuous act by a total jerk... There were quite a lot of threats...covert and overt by republican businessmen that they would punish their employees if the President won... The OP apparently thinks that`s ok and in enjoying the suffering of good,hard working Americans at the hands of these retard-thugs.....

dcnovice -> RE: The consequence of choice (11/8/2012 6:09:18 PM)
quote: There, I bolded it for you. How thoughtful. And I Googled it for you: Business Week: Wall Street Trades Foiled Romney Dreams for Bowles Hope "Employees of Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, Morgan Stanley, JPMorgan Chase & Co. (JPM) and Credit Suisse Group AG made their firms the five biggest sources of campaign contributions to Romney, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics, a Washington-based research group that tracks political donations." CBS: Can Wall St. mend its rift with President Obama? "Mitt Romney wasn't the only loser in the presidential election. Wall Street's banks and investment firms raised a lot of money for the Republican nominee to no avail. Reuters: Wall Street left to rebuild Obama ties after backing Romney "People working in the U.S. securities and investment industry gave $20 million to Romney's campaign, versus $6 million to Obama, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Four years ago, Obama received $16 million and Republican nominee John McCain only attracted $9 million." "Wall Street was so confident in Romney's chances that the Financial Services Roundtable, a leading industry group in Washington, recently named as its head Tim Pawlenty, a Romney campaign co-manager who has little financial firm experience and few ties to Washington policymakers." CNN: Wall Street overwhelmingly backs Romney "Still, deep-pocketed financiers who supported Obama during the 2008 election cycle have abandoned the president and flocked toward Romney, providing more donations to his campaign than any other industry except retired workers."

stellauk -> RE: The consequence of choice (11/8/2012 6:19:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie There's a hard lesson on its way. Not quite. Not every owner of a business is emotionally mature. Either democracy exists or it doesn't. Democracy isn't conditional and only to be respected when your guy wins.

tazzygirl -> RE: The consequence of choice (11/8/2012 6:21:09 PM)
22 employees on unemployment... not much of a cost savings there... IF they are legal workers.

Owner59 -> RE: The consequence of choice (11/8/2012 6:30:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stellauk quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie There's a hard lesson on its way. Not quite. Not every owner of a business is emotionally mature. Either democracy exists or it doesn't. Democracy isn't conditional and only to be respected when your guy wins. True Stella... Only a child would hurt their own business on purpose.... Ya know........collective blame and collective punishment, were a hallmarks of the nazis and fascists.....interesting how it rears it`s ugly head here....

JanahX -> RE: The consequence of choice (11/8/2012 6:31:40 PM)
Just another example of Americans destroying America from the inside out. Were really at the point where we dont need to fear the outside forces - we are starting to fear our own neighbors. It reminds me of what happened in France during the Revolution - where people started to turn on their neighbor to save themselves only to be turned on by their neighbor. America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. Abraham Lincoln

DesideriScuri -> RE: The consequence of choice (11/8/2012 6:34:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Louve00 As far as the video taking into acct the price increases. Since the exchanges won't be available until 2013, I (we all) can only hope they did or will take that into account. If they want it to work, they're going to have to. [sm=smile.gif] Well, the video was posted in 2010. It gave the initial scoring of the ACA by the CBO, which has gone up significantly. That was the point I was making, but I did catch your angle. I smiled at it, even. I hate selective editing.... Not saying you did... “Well unfortunately, and most of my employees are Hispanic — I’m not gonna go into what kind of company I have, but I have mostly Hispanic employees — well unfortunately we know what happened and I can’t wait around anymore, I have to be proactive. I had to lay off 22 people today to make sure that my business is gonna thrive and I’m gonna be around for years to come. I have to build up that nest egg now for the taxes and regulations that are coming my way. Elections do have consequences, but so do choices. A choice you make every day has consequences and you know what, I’ve always put my employees first, but unfortunately today I have to put me and my family first, and you watch what’s gonna happen. I’m just one guy with 114 employees — well was 114 employees — watch what happens in the next six months. The Dow alone lost 314 points today. There’s a tsunami coming and if you didn’t think this election had consequences, just wait.” http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2012/11/07/vegas-employer-obama-won-so-i-fired-22-employees/ I'm not sure why you felt the need to post that. What was the selective editing?

tazzygirl -> RE: The consequence of choice (11/8/2012 6:43:04 PM)
From the OP... take a look.

DesideriScuri -> RE: The consequence of choice (11/8/2012 6:56:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Do you hire people based on what things are like now, or in the future? When were those employees hired, and under what predictions of the economic future were they hired? These employees weren't hurting his business right now, but in the future, when, say, Obamacare regulations and tax increases hit, it very well may be true that his employee costs will negatively effect his business' fiscal stability. Unless you are in the same business, in the same situation, you very easily could be completely and utterly clueless as to his business model. Actually one doesn't need to know anything about his business model. He claims he cannot continue to employee a certain number of people at fair and legal wages and benefits. Well, then he needs to restructure. Pure and simple. If he is not collecting enough revenue to pay proper wages, then something is wrong with his business model. One shouldn't go into business with the expectation that one will be able to exploit labor and pay them less than what they are entitled to. I know lots of businesses that are continuing to grow. I know people who have landed new jobs within the last few months. And they are being paid competitive wages. So, some business models are, in fact, thriving. Precisely. Why are you continuing to bring up "proper wages" or exploiting "labor and pay?" This guy could very well have been carrying these employees because he felt bad for them. And, if he was relying on Romney's undoing of Obamacare, well, that isn't going to happen. It's entirely possible that his current model isn't going to work under those regulations. Thus, Obama won, Obamacare isn't going away, and the business conditions may not be conducive in his current operations. And, so, he restructured. He may have done so to continue to pay his remaining employees their proper wages and benefits. There are businesses that are thriving. There are businesses that are not. His business could be in either category, and that can change in 2013 or 2014, or tomorrow, for that matter.

tazzygirl -> RE: The consequence of choice (11/8/2012 7:08:22 PM)
Why did he feel the need to point out they are Hispanic?

dcnovice -> RE: The consequence of choice (11/8/2012 7:13:11 PM)
quote: Why did he feel the need to point out they are Hispanic? That puzzled me too.

tazzygirl -> RE: The consequence of choice (11/8/2012 7:19:11 PM)
My first instinct is that this is all a bunch of bull.

FMRFGOPGAL -> RE: The consequence of choice (11/8/2012 7:35:59 PM)
quote: LAS VEGAS (CBS Las Vegas) — A Las Vegas business owner with 114 employees fired 22 workers today, apparently as a direct result of President Obama’s re-election. You have very unsavory friends or a morbid interest in failed conservatives. But you guys did say you had revenge on your minds. luckily, you were all delusional about your numbers by more than 3 million at this point. I feel sad that election night wasn't as happy for you as it was for me.

tweakabelle -> RE: The consequence of choice (11/8/2012 7:48:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML ~FR~ Here is a list of revenue sources for the Affordable Care Act listed by Wiki. Can anyone explain which of these will be impacting Dave's business to lead him to fire 22 workers? Summary of tax increases: (ten year projection) Increase Medicare tax rate by .9% and impose added tax of 3.8% on unearned income for high-income taxpayers: $210.2 billion Charge an annual fee on health insurance providers: $60 billion Impose a 40% excise tax on health insurance annual premiums in excess of $10,200 for an individual or $27,500 for a family: $32 billion Impose an annual fee on manufacturers and importers of branded drugs: $27 billion Impose a 2.3% excise tax on manufacturers and importers of certain medical devices:$20 billion Raise the 7.5% Adjusted Gross Income floor on medical expenses deduction to 10%: $15.2 billion Limit annual contributions to flexible spending arrangements in cafeteria plans to $2,500: $13 billion All other revenue sources: $14.9 billion Just curious" "Look at the math" Yachtie advises us. The above is the only math supplied, and it doesn't support "David's" claims at all. So we end up with someone blaming Obama for his alleged business problems. (Personal responsibility anyone?) And only David's self-interested words for it to support his partisan claims. On the basis of that house of cards trickery, we are warned that "We're all doomed" - this is the consequence of choosing Obama over Romney. Not even magic underwear will make that look, sound or be logical. Sour grapes any one?

Edwynn -> RE: The consequence of choice (11/8/2012 9:05:08 PM)
Threads such as these are so pitiful. The sore losers keep bringing forth as evidence of impending doom either some small sector of an industry (hotel-restaurant) that historically relies on part time workers, where higher than average turnover is the norm, to find a quote that ... "we are going to reduce some workers' hours to less than 30 hours" Wow, is that just a 100% about-face from SOP, or what? Yeah, that is going to bring the economy to its knees, I yell ya. The reality is that mergers and acquisitions result in thousands of layoffs, that's been around for years. Deregulation, especially financial deregulation, has caused massive layoffs for the past five years. But some joe blow 'businessman' in Vegas says that he's going to lay off 22 of his 144 employees (because Obama got re-elected), so NOW we need to worry! Sorry, but just a little sniff, and I'm already overwhelmed by the smell of another 'Joe The Plumber' ruse at play here.

JeffBC -> RE: The consequence of choice (11/8/2012 10:04:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 The 99% won last Tuesday buddy.....not Wall Street....[8\|] This tiny bit of the 99% doesn't see it that way at all. Had the 99% won then Jill Stein would be president right now. I'd say that women won. Beyond that it's business as usual. At best Obama sells us out more sweetly than Romney would have.

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